Is the Sony a7R IV the best value full-frame camera on the market?

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I've been reading and thinking a lot about cameras lately. Is it just me, or maybe the Sony a7R IV, the best-value full-frame camera on the market?

I got loads of questions to help me understand and assess the capabilities of this camera.

Is the sensor on the a7R IV identical to the one on the a7R V? I get that the V has a more capable processor to get more out of the sensor. I don't necessarily need the speed, but if the image quality is close to being identical at ISO100, then that's huge.

Is ISO32000 usable with the latest NR software like DxO DeepPrime or Adobe Lightroom's AI-powered NR? I would love to see some before and after shots.

I find DPR's review format to be confusing, and it seems to have changed over the years. It's hard to compare the differences in the generation of cameras. I don't see the sensor read speed mentioned in the review. What is the read speed of the 61MP sensor and is it identical between the IV and the V?

I think the V can shoot lossless compressed RAW while the IV can only shoot lossless uncompressed RAW. Did I get that right? I don't want to shoot compressed RAW if it's 12-bit lossy RAW. IIRC, DPR says that shooting at a high frame rate will cause the bit-depth to go from 14-bit to 12-bit. So is it possible to shoot a 5-frame auto exposure bracket 14-bit RAW?

Given the file sizes of the 14-bit RAW, is it worth converting them to DNG with Lightroom? I generally don't use DNG and retain the original RAWs, but I would consider DNG if I decide to get the a7R IV.

I don't see anything in the specs, but is it possible to shoot a seven or even a nine-frame auto exposure bracket? If so, can the entire bracket be shot with 14-bit RAW?

When shooting RAW with the a7R IV, what should I keep in mind to ensure I'm shooting 14-bit lossless RAW all the time?

When shooting RAW with the 1:1 aspect ratio, can I use Adobe Lightroom to recover the excess pixels in the develop module? With my older Sony cameras, this is possible. I don't know about newer Sony cameras.

Sony's marketing for the IV mentioned AI-enhanced AF. Obviously, the V has the better AF. I mainly shoot travel photos and portraits. Is the face and eye AF reliable, especially if I shoot with the Sony 85mm f/1.4 wide open? Is the AF reliable in low light to shoot landscape at f/11 and f/16?

I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?

When shooting an auto exposure bracket and long exposures, will the a7R IV take a dark frame for long exposure noise reduction?

What is the lifespan of the mechanical shutter? For travel and portraits, is it ok to use EFCS all the time for landscape and portraits to ensure there is no possibility of shutter shock? How is the shutter count calculated when using EFCS? Is the e-shutter capable of shooting 14-bit RAW? Is rolling shutter an issue?

I'm reading that the general interface and touchscreen are "slow." Is it because of the hardware? Is the V noticeable faster than the IV?

Is Sony still developing and updating the firmware for the IV? It's frustrating that Sony abandoned Imaging Edge Mobile for the Creators' App. Has Sony announced any plan to support the IV with the Creators' App?

Is it possible to use the micro-USB port to power the IV and then use the USB-C port to transfer files to the PC without using the battery? If so, how do I set this?

Thanks for the help!
 
It's not even the best camera of its generation within Sony, let alone the whole market. It's not a bad camera, but it very clearly prioritizes resolution above all else. If that lines up with your priorities then it makes sense, but IMO the A7IV is a much better general purpose camera.
 
It's not even the best camera of its generation within Sony, let alone the whole market. It's not a bad camera, but it very clearly prioritizes resolution above all else. If that lines up with your priorities then it makes sense, but IMO the A7IV is a much better general purpose camera.
 
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Your questions are beyond my knowledge, but I highly suspect you are worrying too much about "bits" and differences in RAW files.

The Sony A7RIV, Nikon D850, Nikon Z7, and Canon 5DSR are the best value FF bodies on the market. I have the 5DSR and I am considering adding the A7R IV. I just can't believe Sony does not provide a top LCD screen.
 
Your questions are beyond my knowledge, but I highly suspect you are worrying too much about "bits" and differences in RAW files.

The Sony A7RIV, Nikon D850, Nikon Z7, and Canon 5DSR are the best value FF bodies on the market. I have the 5DSR and I am considering adding the A7R IV. I just can't believe Sony does not provide a top LCD screen.
Ok.
 
Define "best value"....

Lots of little differences between a7R4 and a7R5 ...: the fully articulated screen, the ability to shoot M RAW and S RAW, the fact that the menu system is now fully touch screen. (Finally).... these little things add up and make a much nicer shooting experience in my opinion.

If none of these matter to you, then yeah, the R4 might be best value...
 
Define "best value"....

Lots of little differences between a7R4 and a7R5 ...: the fully articulated screen, the ability to shoot M RAW and S RAW, the fact that the menu system is now fully touch screen. (Finally).... these little things add up and make a much nicer shooting experience in my opinion.

If none of these matter to you, then yeah, the R4 might be best value...
It's an open discussion. I guess most features/performance for the money?
 
Is ISO32000 usable with the latest NR software like DxO DeepPrime or Adobe Lightroom's AI-powered NR? I would love to see some before and after shots.


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I've been reading and thinking a lot about cameras lately. Is it just me, or maybe the Sony a7R IV, the best-value full-frame camera on the market?
I bought a used A7Riv 3 years ago, as an upgrade from a much loved A7Rii. There are a limited set of circumstances where 61Mpix is a real advantage over 42Mpix, but the R4 is a much more usable camera.
I got loads of questions to help me understand and assess the capabilities of this camera.

Is the sensor on the a7R IV identical to the one on the a7R V? I get that the V has a more capable processor to get more out of the sensor. I don't necessarily need the speed, but if the image quality is close to being identical at ISO100, then that's huge.
If you shoot lossless RAW (uncompressed only on the R4), then IQ ought to be the same.
Is ISO32000 usable with the latest NR software like DxO DeepPrime or Adobe Lightroom's AI-powered NR? I would love to see some before and after shots.
Really that depends on what you are shooting and whether the important detail is in the highlights, midtones, or shadows. DeepPrime can produce artefacts with higher resolution noisy images, so downsampling to say 20Mpix before NR can produce a better result. They do need to be very noisy. ISO 32000 is pretty high - what are you shooting?
I find DPR's review format to be confusing, and it seems to have changed over the years. It's hard to compare the differences in the generation of cameras. I don't see the sensor read speed mentioned in the review. What is the read speed of the 61MP sensor and is it identical between the IV and the V?
Sensor read speed ought to be the same, but maybe the buffer and write speed are better. Not important for me (I have an Olympus OM1 for that).
I think the V can shoot lossless compressed RAW while the IV can only shoot lossless uncompressed RAW. Did I get that right? I don't want to shoot compressed RAW if it's 12-bit lossy RAW. IIRC, DPR says that shooting at a high frame rate will cause the bit-depth to go from 14-bit to 12-bit. So is it possible to shoot a 5-frame auto exposure bracket 14-bit RAW?

Given the file sizes of the 14-bit RAW, is it worth converting them to DNG with Lightroom? I generally don't use DNG and retain the original RAWs, but I would consider DNG if I decide to get the a7R IV.
? Storage is cheap. If you buy a high resolution body and lenses, just go with the right PC and software.
I don't see anything in the specs, but is it possible to shoot a seven or even a nine-frame auto exposure bracket? If so, can the entire bracket be shot with 14-bit RAW?

When shooting RAW with the a7R IV, what should I keep in mind to ensure I'm shooting 14-bit lossless RAW all the time?

When shooting RAW with the 1:1 aspect ratio, can I use Adobe Lightroom to recover the excess pixels in the develop module? With my older Sony cameras, this is possible. I don't know about newer Sony cameras.

Sony's marketing for the IV mentioned AI-enhanced AF. Obviously, the V has the better AF. I mainly shoot travel photos and portraits. Is the face and eye AF reliable, especially if I shoot with the Sony 85mm f/1.4 wide open? Is the AF reliable in low light to shoot landscape at f/11 and f/16?
The A7Riv has good EyeAF and tracking. I just got an A7CR. That has human subject detection and the tracking is stickier.
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
When shooting an auto exposure bracket and long exposures, will the a7R IV take a dark frame for long exposure noise reduction?
Yes for long exposures, not tried a bracket. Read the manual - I think there are settings to control dark frame subtraction.
What is the lifespan of the mechanical shutter? For travel and portraits, is it ok to use EFCS all the time for landscape and portraits to ensure there is no possibility of shutter shock? How is the shutter count calculated when using EFCS? Is the e-shutter capable of shooting 14-bit RAW? Is rolling shutter an issue?
Rolling shutter is an issue using electronic shutter. Dreadful banding with the A7CR under LED lighting. With EFCS at very high shutter speeds you can get odd bokeh. Not shooting in blazing sunshine, never been a problem for me. Mechanical shutter life is 500,000 operations.
I'm reading that the general interface and touchscreen are "slow." Is it because of the hardware? Is the V noticeable faster than the IV?

Is Sony still developing and updating the firmware for the IV? It's frustrating that Sony abandoned Imaging Edge Mobile for the Creators' App. Has Sony announced any plan to support the IV with the Creators' App?

Is it possible to use the micro-USB port to power the IV and then use the USB-C port to transfer files to the PC without using the battery? If so, how do I set this?

Thanks for the help!
The A7CR and A7Riv might be two options to compare. Depending on current discounts, the A7CR can be cheaper than the A7RivA.

Andrew
 
It's not even the best camera of its generation within Sony, let alone the whole market. It's not a bad camera, but it very clearly prioritizes resolution above all else. If that lines up with your priorities then it makes sense, but IMO the A7IV is a much better general purpose camera.
Why do you say that? The a7R IV is obviously priced lower and its capabilities are still very much relevant in 2024?
I'm not saying it's a bad or irrelevant camera; just that it gives up some general purpose usefulness for a high MP count. Video is the clearest example of this. And like you said it's worth less used despite costing more at launch.
 
It's not even the best camera of its generation within Sony, let alone the whole market. It's not a bad camera, but it very clearly prioritizes resolution above all else. If that lines up with your priorities then it makes sense, but IMO the A7IV is a much better general purpose camera.
Hard disagree here.

First of all, imo, really, the a7iv is one generation newer than the a7riv. I guess it's a matter of definition, but it obviously has bionz XR etc.

The video is obviously better on the a7iv, but everything else is more or less the same, the difference in AF performance is not very material imo, at least not in settings where 61mp is relevant. Maybe the video af is much better, I don't know, but obviously you would get the a7iv for video anyway.

To the OP: I think it's hard to make an assessment without stating which prices you base it on. I think the best value camera these days is the a7cii, which has better stabilization and af than a7iv, but gives up slr handling and dual card slots for compactness. the 61mp sensor is a lot nicer than the 33mp one, but one has to evaluate which settings that really is relevant. For anything tripod, certainly, and if you can make use of the cropping headroom, maybe. But otherwise I would generally advise that newer cameras are nicer to use, and most general purpose enthusiasts will occasionally dabble in video or benefit from the smaller footprint. While most cards haven't failed since the early 2000s
 
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
 
I`d never buy a new one , they`re a Bargain on the used market from dealers , you get a heck of a lot of camera for £1500 and with a warranty too ..
 
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
 
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
I don't know much about the star eating issue. That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to understand the limitation of the IV and whether Sony has addressed the issue with the V and the CR.
No worries, I was replying to ahaslett, who said the original A7R would be the best option, in case I understood him correctly. I cannot believe this is the case. I think the star eating issue has long been solved, but then again I am not a Sony shooter and have not really followed the discussion in ages.
 
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
I don't know much about the star eating issue. That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to understand the limitation of the IV and whether Sony has addressed the issue with the V and the CR.
No worries, I was replying to ahaslett, who said the original A7R would be the best option, in case I understood him correctly. I cannot believe this is the case. I think the star eating issue has long been solved, but then again I am not a Sony shooter and have not really followed the discussion in ages.
Spatial filtering is a feature not a bug.

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I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
I don't know much about the star eating issue. That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to understand the limitation of the IV and whether Sony has addressed the issue with the V and the CR.
No worries, I was replying to ahaslett, who said the original A7R would be the best option, in case I understood him correctly. I cannot believe this is the case. I think the star eating issue has long been solved, but then again I am not a Sony shooter and have not really followed the discussion in ages.
Spatial filtering is a feature not a bug.

A
 
I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
I don't know much about the star eating issue. That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to understand the limitation of the IV and whether Sony has addressed the issue with the V and the CR.
No worries, I was replying to ahaslett, who said the original A7R would be the best option, in case I understood him correctly. I cannot believe this is the case. I think the star eating issue has long been solved, but then again I am not a Sony shooter and have not really followed the discussion in ages.
Spatial filtering is a feature not a bug.

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What do you mean by spatial filtering?
https://www.markshelley.co.uk/Astronomy/SonyA7S/sonystareater.html

https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/902676-sony-a7r5-no-longer-has-sony-star-eater/

Or maybe it has something…

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I think it was reported years ago that Sony cameras can't shoot astrophotography due to the stars disappearing. I can't remember the details. Has Sony fixed this? Does this problem affect the IV as well as the V?
You want an A7R from before the spatial filtering. If you are into serious astro where individual stars matter, why not buy an astro camera.
What, really? The latest in the R series struggle with stars?
I don't know much about the star eating issue. That's why I'm asking. I'm trying to understand the limitation of the IV and whether Sony has addressed the issue with the V and the CR.
No worries, I was replying to ahaslett, who said the original A7R would be the best option, in case I understood him correctly. I cannot believe this is the case. I think the star eating issue has long been solved, but then again I am not a Sony shooter and have not really followed the discussion in ages.
Spatial filtering is a feature not a bug.

A
What do you mean by spatial filtering?
It is a giant scoop net that goes out into outer space and filters out all the stars before feeding them to a muppet character for consumption
 
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