A6700 biggest disappointments?

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noise

For me personally, the lack of a stacked sensor is the biggest disappointment. I had hoped for a mini A1. Fingers crossed we get an A7000 soon.

I do still find the A6700 tempting as a wildlife camera though.

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noise

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11 fps.

1/4000 shutter speed mechanical.

Having written the above I think the new improvements like the massive buffer i.e. in jpegs it's over 1,000 vs to slightly over 100 with the A6600, deeper grip, improved AF, updated menu and touch functions are enough for me to upgrade from the A6600.

That it took so long to get here. OTOH, it's quite current when looking at features. That said, I'm also one who hopes for a stacked sensor alternative, too.

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noise

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5) What about the A7000?

The A7C has the same 1) thru 4) limitations as the A6700, interesting, right?

Also, interesting, the A7Cii is to be announced shortly, available in Q3.

The A7C is listed at $1,8k, the A6700 at $1.4k.

That leaves only $400 for any improvement you are asking for, I am guessing that there was very little wiggle room to add more features.

The A7Cii is rumored to receive a 33Mp BSI sensor (A7IV), and the same the Bionz VR & AI processor, and 10-bit processing that the A6700 received now. The A7C does not have these.

Other than the larger EVF and the higher max ISO rating (both larger sensor dependent), the A7C looks awfully similar to the A6700. The A6700 is ahead in terms of AF and video-recording options. There are some more plusses for the A6700 in here.

Also, the camera bodies are almost equivalent in terms of size and height, makes you think, doesn't it?

Comparison

If an A7Cii were to receive a 40+ Mp (why not?), it would be 'alike' the A6700, when used in APS-C crop-mode. As the A7Cii is more likely to get the 33Mp sensor, the A6700 has its own merits, in terms of resolution, video formats, cropping, etc.

But an A7RC, ... ?

Craig Gillette said:

That it took so long to get here. OTOH, it's quite current when looking at features. That said, I'm also one who hopes for a stacked sensor alternative, too.

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This.

Got mine yesterday together with an uhs-ii v90 sd and though not stacked it is totally amazing, compared with the a6400 it actually feels like having a7000. I've just put it through some paces with the e-shutter, jpeg only but also jpeg+raw and having it write down 1290 images in a matter of less than a few minutes completely changes the entire experience. 33gb in a matter of minutes without slowing down (jpeg only) or slowing down somewhat (jpeg+raw) but still going at it while also being able to operate menu's and stuff is far beyond any other apsc, sony and other.

raythentic said:

Craig Gillette said:

That it took so long to get here. OTOH, it's quite current when looking at features. That said, I'm also one who hopes for a stacked sensor alternative, too.

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This.

Got mine yesterday together with an uhs-ii v90 sd and though not stacked it is totally amazing, compared with the a6400 it actually feels like having a7000. I've just put it through some paces with the e-shutter, jpeg only but also jpeg+raw and having it write down 1290 images in a matter of less than a few minutes completely changes the entire experience. 33gb in a matter of minutes without slowing down (jpeg only) or slowing down somewhat (jpeg+raw) but still going at it while also being able to operate menu's and stuff is far beyond any other apsc, sony and other.

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You got your A6700 already? Congrats!

blue_skies said:

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noisPS-C

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5) What about the A7000?

The A7C has the same 1) thru 4) limitations as the A6700, interesting, right?

Also, interesting, the A7Cii is to be announced shortly, available in Q3.

The A7C is listed at $1,8k, the A6700 at $1.4k.

That leaves only $400 for any improvement you are asking for, I am guessing that there was very little wiggle room to add more features.

The A7Cii is rumored to receive a 33Mp BSI sensor (A7IV), and the same the Bionz VR & AI processor, and 10-bit processing that the A6700 received now. The A7C does not have these.

Other than the larger EVF and the higher max ISO rating (both larger sensor dependent), the A7C looks awfully similar to the A6700. The A6700 is ahead in terms of AF and video-recording options. There are some more plusses for the A6700 in here.

Also, the camera bodies are almost equivalent in terms of size and height, makes you think, doesn't it?

Comparison

If an A7Cii were to receive a 40+ Mp (why not?), it would be 'alike' the A6700, when used in APS-C crop-mode. As the A7Cii is more likely to get the 33Mp sensor, the A6700 has its own merits, in terms of resolution, video formats, cropping, etc.

But an A7RC, ... ?

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Henry, if I didn't get the APS-C camera for distance the A7C would have been a no-brainer for travel with that 20-70/4 G lens.

José B said:

raythentic said:

Craig Gillette said:

That it took so long to get here. OTOH, it's quite current when looking at features. That said, I'm also one who hopes for a stacked sensor alternative, too.

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This.

Got mine yesterday together with an uhs-ii v90 sd and though not stacked it is totally amazing, compared with the a6400 it actually feels like having a7000. I've just put it through some paces with the e-shutter, jpeg only but also jpeg+raw and having it write down 1290 images in a matter of less than a few minutes completely changes the entire experience. 33gb in a matter of minutes without slowing down (jpeg only) or slowing down somewhat (jpeg+raw) but still going at it while also being able to operate menu's and stuff is far beyond any other apsc, sony and other.

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You got your A6700 already? Congrats!

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Thx! hoping for yours also to arrive sooner rather than later, it is really something else.

PhotoLutz said:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

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Agreed, this ought to be back to 500th sec across the board thesedays, the old and cheap Nikon D70 managed it , not even pro cameras can do it now and HSS sucks pond water through a straw . it ought to have 250th

PhotoLutz said:

4) Increase in noise

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This maybe a failure on the part of DPR to calibrate the test scene light properly as this sensor performs in every other camera which uses it such as as Fujis just fine

Mine are

1:- IBIS possibly not a great deal better than the box ticking A6500/6600 unit despite the fatness in body

2:- only one card slot

3:- no 3Mp EVF - C`mon, even the NEX7 of 12 years ago had a 2MP EVF and it cost less (£999) despite being the first 24Mp APS_C camera on the market (alongside the A77)

4:- Unfinished firmware - testers showed that the Auto subject detect is very broken (think it was Chis on Petapixel ? ) , it`s birding instincts are superb if you select birds but if you select auto it`s all over the place .

5:- 11FPS in E-shutter - even old M43 cams can do 60FPS in full RAW

6:- 8000th sec E-Shutter - again, ancient M43 cams with far slower sensors from 8 or 9 years ago can do 16,000th

Stop the Crypple Hammer Sony - did you employ Canon software engineers ?

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José B said:

blue_skies said:

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noisPS-C

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5) What about the A7000?

The A7C has the same 1) thru 4) limitations as the A6700, interesting, right?

Also, interesting, the A7Cii is to be announced shortly, available in Q3.

The A7C is listed at $1,8k, the A6700 at $1.4k.

That leaves only $400 for any improvement you are asking for, I am guessing that there was very little wiggle room to add more features.

The A7Cii is rumored to receive a 33Mp BSI sensor (A7IV), and the same the Bionz VR & AI processor, and 10-bit processing that the A6700 received now. The A7C does not have these.

Other than the larger EVF and the higher max ISO rating (both larger sensor dependent), the A7C looks awfully similar to the A6700. The A6700 is ahead in terms of AF and video-recording options. There are some more plusses for the A6700 in here.

Also, the camera bodies are almost equivalent in terms of size and height, makes you think, doesn't it?

Comparison

If an A7Cii were to receive a 40+ Mp (why not?), it would be 'alike' the A6700, when used in APS-C crop-mode. As the A7Cii is more likely to get the 33Mp sensor, the A6700 has its own merits, in terms of resolution, video formats, cropping, etc.

But an A7RC, ... ?

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Henry, if I didn't get the APS-C camera for distance the A7C would have been a no-brainer for travel with that 20-70/4 G lens.

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Hi Jose, You pretty much described the decision process I agonized between the A7C and a6600. I eventually decided to purchase the a6600 to replace my a6000. At that time, I thought that I would still desire the distance benefit of APS-C but was wrong in my decision since most of my usage is for travel. The next gen of the A7C is on my radar along with the 20-70/4 G lens.

Kirwin said:

José B said:

blue_skies said:

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noisPS-C

Click to expand...

5) What about the A7000?

The A7C has the same 1) thru 4) limitations as the A6700, interesting, right?

Also, interesting, the A7Cii is to be announced shortly, available in Q3.

The A7C is listed at $1,8k, the A6700 at $1.4k.

That leaves only $400 for any improvement you are asking for, I am guessing that there was very little wiggle room to add more features.

The A7Cii is rumored to receive a 33Mp BSI sensor (A7IV), and the same the Bionz VR & AI processor, and 10-bit processing that the A6700 received now. The A7C does not have these.

Other than the larger EVF and the higher max ISO rating (both larger sensor dependent), the A7C looks awfully similar to the A6700. The A6700 is ahead in terms of AF and video-recording options. There are some more plusses for the A6700 in here.

Also, the camera bodies are almost equivalent in terms of size and height, makes you think, doesn't it?

Comparison

If an A7Cii were to receive a 40+ Mp (why not?), it would be 'alike' the A6700, when used in APS-C crop-mode. As the A7Cii is more likely to get the 33Mp sensor, the A6700 has its own merits, in terms of resolution, video formats, cropping, etc.

But an A7RC, ... ?

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Henry, if I didn't get the APS-C camera for distance the A7C would have been a no-brainer for travel with that 20-70/4 G lens.

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Hi Jose, You pretty much described the decision process I agonized between the A7C and a6600. I eventually decided to purchase the a6600 to replace my a6000. At that time, I thought that I would still desire the distance benefit of APS-C but was wrong in my decision since most of my usage is for travel. The next gen of the A7C is on my radar along with the 20-70/4 G lens.

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Hi Kirwin,

I think it's still a win-win. I've traveled with the A6000-A6500-A6600 in the past and my normal go-to lens is the 16-70/4 OSS. Then I also added the Touit 12/2.8. If I were travelling soon (took a hiatus during the pandemic), I'll use these aforementioned lenses and the A6700 and iPhone 14 Pro Max. Those are more than enough to capture memories.

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noise

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The more one expects, the more disapointed he gets. People expecting a pro camera will be very disapointed, but people simply expecting an improved A6600 will be very happy. I was hoping a A6600 replacement that I can afford, so I'm happy overall. But...

1) That's one of the first things I've searched in specs (with focus bracketting) and I was very dispointed at first. I was hoping 1/250. But after all, it doesn't matter that much since what really matters is the instant flash burst. 1/160 or 1/250 don't change things dramatically when shooting with large apertures in bright light, for instance.

4) Are you sure ? Unless I'm wrong, the Pixii A1571 has the same sensor as the A6700 and it has been tested by DxO (https://www.dxomark.com/cameras/). And they rate the 6700 approximately 1/3 stops better than the A6600 when it comes to high ISO noise.

X) EVF and/or screen resolution improvement. It won't prevent me to buy a A6700 but com'on, Sony...

PhotoLutz said:

I’ll go first:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

2) max interval for timelapse is 60 seconds

3) no flash (useful for triggering off camera flash)

4) Increase in noise

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We don’t know about 4). Histograms indicate that DPR’s test images are flawed (less exposure). Soon the camera will be available and we can confirm or debunk DPR’s tests.

Kirwin said:

Hi Jose, You pretty much described the decision process I agonized between the A7C and a6600.

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Same here ;-) But I've chosen the A6600 for its better controls. And size isn't actually the same once you put lenses on your cameras, which everybody does, I guess ;-) Not to mention the price once you add glass.

The exact same debate will happen for the new generation and I wont agonise twice. I strongly dislike the rendering of FF f/1.4 lenses anyway. Even on APCS, I dislike how thin is the DOF with f/1.4 normal lenses.

blue_skies said:

But an A7RC, ... ?

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Now, a 61 mp mini A7Rv? Oh yes, unless ridiculously priced. One might have all the performance potential of the A6700 with the 26 mp crop or full 61mp for all that high res goodness.

That may be as much a dream camera for FF users as is the speedy stacked sensor for aps-c users.

Dare we wish for an A1C?

Craig Gillette said:

blue_skies said:

But an A7RC, ... ?

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Now, a 61 mp mini A7Rv? Oh yes, unless ridiculously priced. One might have all the performance potential of the A6700 with the 26 mp crop or full 61mp for all that high res goodness.

That may be as much a dream camera for FF users as is the speedy stacked sensor for aps-c users.

Dare we wish for an A1C?

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I am staying with APS-C for compactness, not cost. I am willing to pay quite a bit more for a A7RC - the ultimate flexibility for me.

tokumeino said:

The more one expects, the more disapointed he gets. People expecting a pro camera will be very disapointed, but people simply expecting an improved A6600 will be very happy.

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Hi,

I dont think this to be just an improvement on the a6600 (which I believe is like my a6400 in many or even almost all respects). Perhaps it resembles the camera in appearance but it is something entirely different, because of the dial layout, the way that it operates and because of what it is capable of in terms of AF, buffering and finetuning.

Biggest disappointments: display, evf and european price. I stay with the A6400 and my Ricoh and Fuji.

AdamT said:

Adam-T said:

1) flash sync still a slow 1/160

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Agreed, this ought to be back to 500th sec across the board thesedays, the old and cheap Nikon D70 managed it , not even pro cameras can do it now and HSS sucks pond water through a straw . it ought to have 250th

Adam-T said:

4) Increase in noise

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This maybe a failure on the part of DPR to calibrate the test scene light properly as this sensor performs in every other camera which uses it such as as Fujis just fine

Mine are

1:- IBIS possibly not a great deal better than the box ticking A6500/6600 unit despite the fatness in body

2:- only one card slot

3:- no 3Mp EVF - C`mon, even the NEX7 of 12 years ago had a 2MP EVF and it cost less (£999) despite being the first 24Mp APS_C camera on the market (alongside the A77)

4:- Unfinished firmware - testers showed that the Auto subject detect is very broken (think it was Chis on Petapixel ? ) , it`s birding instincts are superb if you select birds but if you select auto it`s all over the place .

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I don't think there is an auto setting for subject detection:

Adam-T said:

5:- 11FPS in E-shutter - even old M43 cams can do 60FPS in full RAW

6:- 8000th sec E-Shutter - again, ancient M43 cams with far slower sensors from 8 or 9 years ago can do 16,000th

Stop the Crypple Hammer Sony - did you employ Canon software engineers ?

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