Thoughts on the a6700

jhunna said:

Bender79ita said:

Not really, no. Not since the A7III at least.

And it's not like it had a mind boggling difference to an old Nikon D610.

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I don't know the Nikon D610, but I do know the zv-e1/a7s3 12MP sensor is ridiculous in low light. ISO 12800 on those sensors are next level. Granted it is in slog3, but you can shoot photos with that gamut too.

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You mean 48mp sensor?

Doesn't seem that great at all. Even compared with much, much older cameras. Even compared to a 500$ used DSLR.

As I said, sensor tech has hit a wall for high iso and DR long ago.

jhunna said:

jhunna said:

What they do in real time is complete garbage vs the results from Catalyst.

They cannot be compared.

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I disagree, they are absolutely comparable. I noticed that you don't use Sony lenses so that could be the reason you aren't seing the diffenece or you haven't tried the zv-e1 dynamic stabilization.

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Oh you are a third party lens snob too. Should have guessed. Yeah a piece of glass really has a massive effect on electronic stabilization.

I've seen the samples and they suck compared to what Catalyst does on computer. As they logically should.

A battery powered chip in a camera can't produce (in real time) results anywhere close to a 800W powered computer working for 10 times as long.

It's not complicated to understand why. Because bigger and more powerful is better. Always.

PieterB said:

Take non said:

PieterB said:

I wouldn't like to switch to FF because I can't use my existing lenses anymore.

But if the new camera costs more than say a A7mk3, I'd switch over to full frame.

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You can just use your aps-c lenses in crop-mode when using full frame camera's, leaving you with about 16mp when using a 33mp a7mk4.

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I don't see the point in doing that.

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The point, I guess, would be to then slowly transition to FF lenses as budget allows. But if there is no intention to fully switch, then I agree, it would be pointless to buy a FF camera...

PieterB said:

Take non said:

PieterB said:

I wouldn't like to switch to FF because I can't use my existing lenses anymore.

But if the new camera costs more than say a A7mk3, I'd switch over to full frame.

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You can just use your aps-c lenses in crop-mode when using full frame camera's, leaving you with about 16mp when using a 33mp a7mk4.

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I don't see the point in doing that.

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A couple of reasons to do this IF you have really good apsc lenses...

1. You get to keep your apsc lenses.

2. You can now start taking advantage of FF.

3. You can shoot 4k video with IMPROVED detail.

4. A lot of the apsc lenses cover more of the FF sensor than required.

When I came to Sony I bought FF and apsc lenses (on purpose), because of the flexibility.

At the core, with FF Sony cameras I consider them FF photo cameras and Super35 video cameras. Its a real feature of the system.

jhunna said:

PieterB said:

Take non said:

PieterB said:

I wouldn't like to switch to FF because I can't use my existing lenses anymore.

But if the new camera costs more than say a A7mk3, I'd switch over to full frame.

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You can just use your aps-c lenses in crop-mode when using full frame camera's, leaving you with about 16mp when using a 33mp a7mk4.

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I don't see the point in doing that.

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You know that we have different opinion on topic, so I will just repeat:

jhunna said:

A couple of reasons to do this IF you have really good apsc lenses...

1. You get to keep your apsc lenses.

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You have to invest in FF body, but still use only apsc image circle, so hard to see it as a good reason.

jhunna said:

2. You can now start taking advantage of FF.

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Not really, see point 1. At this moment you just bought expensive apsc camera with low low to mid MPx count. You will see advantage ONLY when you start using FF lenses.

jhunna said:

3. You can shoot 4k video with IMPROVED detail.

4. A lot of the apsc lenses cover more of the FF sensor than required.

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If not cover full FF area, it can be hardly counted as a good reason IMHO.

jhunna said:

When I came to Sony I bought FF and apsc lenses (on purpose), because of the flexibility.

At the core, with FF Sony cameras I consider them FF photo cameras and Super35 video cameras. Its a real feature of the system.

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Martin_99 said:

jhunna said:

PieterB said:

Take non said:

PieterB said:

I wouldn't like to switch to FF because I can't use my existing lenses anymore.

But if the new camera costs more than say a A7mk3, I'd switch over to full frame.

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You can just use your aps-c lenses in crop-mode when using full frame camera's, leaving you with about 16mp when using a 33mp a7mk4.

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I don't see the point in doing that.

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You know that we have different opinion on topic, so I will just repeat:

Martin_99 said:

A couple of reasons to do this IF you have really good apsc lenses...

1. You get to keep your apsc lenses.

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You have to invest in FF body, but still use only apsc image circle, so hard to see it as a good reason.

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There's a big difference between "I cant use my existing lenses anymore" and, for instance, "I want to use my existing lenses only", the latter which wouldnt have sparked the answer I gave.

Martin_99 said:

Martin_99 said:

2. You can now start taking advantage of FF.

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Not really, see point 1. At this moment you just bought expensive apsc camera with low low to mid MPx count. You will see advantage ONLY when you start using FF lenses.

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Buying an FF camera while holding on to your existing (aps-c) lenses does not necessarily exclude buying FF lenses as well. It makes perfect sense being able to take advantage of both formats whenever one or the other is needed.

I'm not saying I would buy into FF for such reasons but I'm into wildlife and birds so for me it wouldnt make much sense anyway.

I already have a1/200-600, a6400 and OM-1/100-400. For my needs (wildlife/birds) both a1 and OM-1 are incredible.

Would love it if a6700 came with in-camera focus stacking and pre-capture, like OM-1.

My 0.02

jhunna said:

If this camera comes with the A7R5 internals and rear screen with the new APSC sensor and a larger EVF it is going to be a winner even at $2000.
If it carries over the 10bit 4k60/120 video modes, it immediately becomes one of the best hybrid cameras on the market. Some things to consider that I haven't heard others mention:
1. Using a button to capture the tracking focus instead of the touch screen. This is HUGE for sports photography.

2. 4k/120p with sound is a dream format that will allow you to do video, slow motion, and pull decent photos from the video.

3. I haven't heard about the low light performance, but I am imagining it will be reasonably good.

4. Hope it has the new dynamic IS even with the crop this will extremely useable and save money on things such as gimbals. And hopefully removes the need for post processing of gyro data.

5. When it comes to photos, you really can't go wrong with any of the Sony lineup, so I am not worried about the photo concerns, although 1/250 flash sync would be great.

6. This camera will be a strong competitor to the A7C lineup, and will really make people decide on lens size, Shallow Depth of Field, and super Wide. For me Lens size is probably the most important, so it means I am probably going to sell my a7c IF everything is as I expect.

7. No overheating with 4k 10bit video. Again, if it can do this it is exceptional.

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

SafariBob said:

jhunna said:

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

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I would think a price of $1500 or lower is more than a bit optimistic.

jhunna said:

If this camera comes with the A7R5 internals and rear screen with the new APSC sensor and a larger EVF it is going to be a winner even at $2000.

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It`s got to get the new CPU and Ai stuff, maybe even the first to use this when tracking too as the A6400 led the field with real time tracking before the A9 even got it, so it is possible Sony will do this

jhunna said:

3. I haven't heard about the low light performance, but I am imagining it will be reasonably good.

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Yeah, the Fuji XT3/4`s 26Mp sensor maybe knocking on a bit but ought to be as good as APS_C gets , the 32Mp canon and 40Mp Sony in the Fuji XH2 don`t seem to be cutting it noise / baked in NR wise

jhunna said:

4. Hope it has the new dynamic IS even

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Bound to have - it`d be suicidal to repeat the lame box-ticking IBIS of the 6500/6600 , I`m sure it`ll use the tech which gave the A7R5 a massive boost over the A1

jhunna said:

5. When it comes to photos, you really can't go wrong with any of the Sony lineup

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True - even the orig 14Mp NEX5 stands up today in RAW - especially now finally there are decent zooms for it .. I was stunned at how good the 16Mp NEX5T was in RAW , the files were punchy and had loads of malleability in shadows and highlights .

jhunna said:

, so I am not worried about the photo concerns, although 1/250 flash sync would be great.

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Necessary I`d say - 160th is so lame its unreal - still lament the Nikon D70 days of 500th sec sync , not even the pro cameras do that

jhunna said:

6. This camera will be a strong competitor to the A7C lineup, and will really make people decide on lens size, Shallow Depth of Field, and super Wide. For me Lens size is probably the most important, so it means I am probably going to sell my a7c IF everything is as I expect.

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In an ideal world, the A7C would inherit a tweaked version of the 42Mp A7R2/3 sensor, I`d say it`s a lot better than the A7IV one overall and better than the 60Mp one in respect to noise and DR - it`d also separate the A7C from the APS-C stuff and give the camera some cropping room for use with small Primes - I`d be well up for a 42Mp A7C-II but not one with the disappointing 33Mp sensor from the A7-IV

jhunna said:

I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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it`ll also be a miracle . I see 1600 as a start price at best going by the comical launch price of the A6600 - depends on whether sony want to knock these out fast to compete hard or make a pompus "most expensive is best " statement like they often do

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Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

BackToNature1 said:

Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

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Read out speed is definitely improved. It is going to have the sensor from the fx30, and having shot that in video, I can tell you it is faster than the a7c's sensor (and probably the older a6xxx sensors).

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Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

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We talked about this multiple times, but here it is again:

a6700 will very likely have the same sensor as FX30, so not a new or unknown sensor. Non-official reports on FX30's readout speed say it's 15.7 ms. For comparison, current sensor has 46 ms (according to DPR).

fotojeger said:

BackToNature1 said:

Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

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We talked about this multiple times, but here it is again:

a6700 will very likely have the same sensor as FX30, so not a new or unknown sensor. Non-official reports on FX30's readout speed say it's 15.7 ms. For comparison, current sensor has 46 ms (according to DPR).

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Thanks for that always prefer numbers when we can get them. I just shoot stuff and say "yep, its faster".

BackToNature1 said:

SafariBob said:

jhunna said:

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

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I would think a price of $1500 or lower is more than a bit optimistic.

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99% then.

SafariBob said:

BackToNature1 said:

SafariBob said:

jhunna said:

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

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I would think a price of $1500 or lower is more than a bit optimistic.

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True!

99% then.

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And there may never be such a camera, who knows..... 0.1% then.

4Photos said:

SafariBob said:

BackToNature1 said:

SafariBob said:

jhunna said:

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

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I would think a price of $1500 or lower is more than a bit optimistic.

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True!

99% then.

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And there may never be such a camera, who knows..... 0.1% then.

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You aren't paying attention... This camera is going to be here next week, and it will have most of what I predicted... Even the price will be around $1599 if the rumors are to be believed...

fotojeger said:

BackToNature1 said:

Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

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We talked about this multiple times, but here it is again:

a6700 will very likely have the same sensor as FX30, so not a new or unknown sensor. Non-official reports on FX30's readout speed say it's 15.7 ms. For comparison, current sensor has 46 ms (according to DPR).

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Thanks. Must have slipped by me. I thought I read almost every post.

I mentioned to DPR that this is something that should listed in the Key specifications moving forward. I don't recall yet them(DPR) doing so. If so, I keep missing that to.

It's important to me because if I do upgrade, I want to be able to go electronic and not worry nearly as much concerning rolling shutter for BIF. So from what I have seen after a quick research, that's still a touch slower than the Canon EOS R6 Mark II which I just saw as 14.5ms. But about the same as the Canon R5 which has double the MP to push through.

3rd post down, a chart of the Readout Speed of some cameras.

cchttps://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4679819cc

jhunna said:

4Photos said:

SafariBob said:

BackToNature1 said:

SafariBob said:

jhunna said:

I haven't been this excited about an apsc camera being delivered since they mentioned the Fuji X100V, I really think the 6700 if it comes in at a price of $1500 or lower will be a game changer.

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100% amazing post.

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I would think a price of $1500 or lower is more than a bit optimistic.

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True!

99% then.

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And there may never be such a camera, who knows..... 0.1% then.

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You aren't paying attention... This camera is going to be here next week, and it will have most of what I predicted... Even the price will be around $1599 if the rumors are to be believed...

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So Fuji want's $2500 for their FUJIFILM X-H2S which has a readout speed of around 9.7ms. This will be a very interesting comparison once the camera is fully released, next week. Sony Alfa Rumors already has rumored, pictures.

That's a difference of around $900 with all the Specs yet to be confirmed. There still seems to be plenty of uncertainty around the final Specs. Other than it's supposed to be 26MP with a different Body Type.

BackToNature1 said:

fotojeger said:

BackToNature1 said:

Yet nobody seems to be mentioning that. If they have, I have not seen it.

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We talked about this multiple times, but here it is again:

a6700 will very likely have the same sensor as FX30, so not a new or unknown sensor. Non-official reports on FX30's readout speed say it's 15.7 ms. For comparison, current sensor has 46 ms (according to DPR).

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Thanks. Must have slipped by me. I thought I read almost every post.

I mentioned to DPR that this is something that should listed in the Key specifications moving forward. I don't recall yet them(DPR) doing so. If so, I keep missing that to.

It's important to me because if I do upgrade, I want to be able to go electronic and not worry nearly as much concerning rolling shutter for BIF. So from what I have seen after a quick research, that's still a touch slower than the Canon EOS R6 Mark II which I just saw as 14.5ms. But about the same as the Canon R5 which has double the MP to push through.

3rd post down, a chart of the Readout Speed of some cameras.

cchttps://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4679819cc

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I'll be able to test my R6MKII for pro tennis early next month. I'm planning to go ES all the way. I tried 20 fps in a subject walking towards me and there were lots of identical pics LOL. Now I want to try the max which is 40 fps. I just want to be sure that I have a lot of balls on the racquet strings shots.

AdamT said:

Robjwilli said:

My main question is will it have front and rear dials?

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I think at this stage, it`d be suicidal for it not to have - TBH the A6300 should have introduced them but Sony is Sony .................

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Rumored, leaked photos show it will have a front dial.