Tony & Chelsea: Nikon Z8 vs. Canon R5 vs. Sony a7R V

HRS said:

Oddly, that viewpoint wouldn't apply here to Steve Perry videos, to mention but one pro-Nikon YouTuber.

I did say "Tony & Chelsea" in the thread title, so let's let forum-goers decide for themselves rather than censor viewpoints a priori. I found their comparison very useful, and they were quite favorable to Nikon in many aspects.

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Thanks for that link,I enjoyed it.

What is wrong anyway with "earning clicks" on the internet with something that looks like a weeks work. The whole internet is commercialised now.

And don't worry it seemed not to call for me to dump my Z stuff and buy into another system.

I watched it, so you don't need to. They are rating 3 cameras in 10 categories:

1. Handling: Z8 sucks because of low res viewfinder lol and no flippy screen. A7R5 rulez because of many dials.
2. Travel: mostly comparing weight of body plus 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Nikon is heavier then others.
3. Portrait: doing some portrait shoot with the 70-200. Z8 focuses on the eylashes, while other cameras on the iris. OK. Skin tone on Z8 and R5 are warmer, on A7R5 more purple (more natural ?!). And Tony complains about weight again.
4. Video: some complaints about NRAW. Dunno. Z8 AF seems to have an issue.
5. Wildlife: Z8 wins this, AF is good, but VF resolution and CaRdS
6. Sports: Z8 wins
7. Image Quality: Z8 produces some moiree (they are shooting posters and book covers lol), so Z8 loses
8. VR: Z8 some stops behind. Dunno.
9. Apps: Yeah
10. Lenses: Sony has so great lenses or whatever

ouch, that was hard to watch.

nflanders2 said:

I watched it, so you don't need to. They are rating 3 cameras in 10 categories:

1. Handling: Z8 sucks because of low res viewfinder lol and no flippy screen. A7R5 rulez because of many dials.
2. Travel: mostly comparing weight of body plus 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Nikon is heavier then others.
3. Portrait: doing some portrait shoot with the 70-200. Z8 focuses on the eylashes, while other cameras on the iris. OK. Skin tone on Z8 and R5 are warmer, on A7R5 more purple (more natural ?!). And Tony complains about weight again.
4. Video: some complaints about NRAW. Dunno. Z8 AF seems to have an issue.
5. Wildlife: Z8 wins this, AF is good, but VF resolution and CaRdS
6. Sports: Z8 wins
7. Image Quality: Z8 produces some moiree (they are shooting posters and book covers lol), so Z8 loses
8. VR: Z8 some stops behind. Dunno.
9. Apps: Yeah
10. Lenses: Sony has so great lenses or whatever

ouch, that was hard to watch.

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I did laugh pretty hard at the part where they shoot book covers then complained about moire? Yeah because that is a very very often done thing.

kbrkr said:

DigitalFFUser said:

Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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Agreed, and if you ARE going to post a link to their video, at least you can summarize their findings so we don't have to sit through it.

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JUST NO! Where do we draw the line of approved content? Moderation (regulation) are what most other sites end up with, and you end with dull content. This article was properly sited and posted. You can choose to click on the link or not. A poster can choose to summarize their results or not.

The fact that 20+ people liked these anti T&C links is absurd, and also why popular opinion is also failing society.

davethebirder said:

Rene Gr said:

kbrkr said:

DigitalFFUser said:

HRS said:

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Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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Agreed, and if you ARE going to post a link to their video, at least you can summarize their findings so we don't have to sit through it.

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Well, I think the video deserves a look. They have clear points, and to just relate to their score sum is foolish anyway. You need to watch the video and decide if their points are yours.

Admittedly, a summary would be nice to have. So here it is (partly), centered on the Nikon Z8 viewpoint:

• The Nikon cannot flip the screen forward, but has a good grip and handling.
• The Nikon viewfinder is "low resolution". Is that even true in comparison?
• The Nikon tele lens they showed is heavier than comparable lenses. It is also better quality.
• The Nikon focused on the eyelashes, not the iris, and sometimes on the rear eye.
• Nikon lost focus in a video they shot.

I stopped at that point, because I am not interested in wildlife capabilities. From all I heard, the Z9 and Z8 is absolutely leading in that respect.

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So it's a question of what you shoot, I shoot birds/wild life D500/D750 Afs 600mm F4E FL so a heavier body with the best grip is imperative for me and the range of Z tele glass is the best out there .. T+C's choice for birding was the Nikon .

I keep on hearing that however the Z8/Z9 is missing eye focus which if I was doing portraiture would be frustrating ......

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As someone who shoots people in a variety of genres, I can attest that neither the Z8 nor Z9 is missing eye focus.

m_black said:

davethebirder said:

Rene Gr said:

kbrkr said:

DigitalFFUser said:

HRS said:

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Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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Agreed, and if you ARE going to post a link to their video, at least you can summarize their findings so we don't have to sit through it.

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Well, I think the video deserves a look. They have clear points, and to just relate to their score sum is foolish anyway. You need to watch the video and decide if their points are yours.

Admittedly, a summary would be nice to have. So here it is (partly), centered on the Nikon Z8 viewpoint:

• The Nikon cannot flip the screen forward, but has a good grip and handling.
• The Nikon viewfinder is "low resolution". Is that even true in comparison?
• The Nikon tele lens they showed is heavier than comparable lenses. It is also better quality.
• The Nikon focused on the eyelashes, not the iris, and sometimes on the rear eye.
• Nikon lost focus in a video they shot.

I stopped at that point, because I am not interested in wildlife capabilities. From all I heard, the Z9 and Z8 is absolutely leading in that respect.

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So it's a question of what you shoot, I shoot birds/wild life D500/D750 Afs 600mm F4E FL so a heavier body with the best grip is imperative for me and the range of Z tele glass is the best out there .. T+C's choice for birding was the Nikon .

I keep on hearing that however the Z8/Z9 is missing eye focus which if I was doing portraiture would be frustrating ......

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As someone who shoots people in a variety of genres, I can attest that neither the Z8 nor Z9 is missing eye focus.

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I can also say that the Z 8 is not missing the eyes for me either...

nflanders2 said:

I watched it, so you don't need to. They are rating 3 cameras in 10 categories:

1. Handling: Z8 sucks because of low res viewfinder lol and no flippy screen. A7R5 rulez because of many dials.

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Well of course - good old Northrups

nflanders2 said:

2. Travel: mostly comparing weight of body plus 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Nikon is heavier then others.

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They don`t mention that both of the others have poor (Canon) or dreadful (Sony) OEM FF superzooms and Nikon has a superb one in the light, relatively compact, well stabilzed 24-200Z - OK Sony has the Tamron 28-200 and its excellent indeed and fast too but its 28mm and unstabilized so you need the A7R Mk5`s vastly improved IBIS to make use of it in less than perfect weather ..

nflanders2 said:

3. Portrait: doing some portrait shoot with the 70-200. Z8 focuses on the eylashes, while other cameras on the iris. OK. Skin tone on Z8 and R5 are warmer, on A7R5 more purple (more natural ?!). And Tony complains about weight again.

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Does the Z8 do that ? I mean really ? and errrr, yeah - weight really matters for this hence MF being still prevalent in this field - LOL - good `ol Tony strikes again ..

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7. Image Quality: Z8 produces some moiree (they are shooting posters and book covers lol), so Z8 loses

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this made me laugh - the R5 has baked in NR at both ends and still manages to be noisier at base ISO , the A7R5 is noisy period in shadows and skies (develop the samples) , OK, the Z8 may not be as clean as a Z7 doing HDR tricks and may not be at high ISOs but its more than up to the C&N options

nflanders2 said:

8. VR: Z8 some stops behind. Dunno.

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The Canon R5 always was the best up til that point, Sony always bottom including the A1 , Dunno either if Nikon made any IBIS improvements in the Z8 over the Z7 (which is very good but no C-R5 IBIS wise) or even if the A7R5 is as good as the hype there .

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10. Lenses: Sony has so great lenses or whatever

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Tamron pretty much saved Sony on the standard zooms front , there is the 24-105 F4G but it`s not up to Nikons F4 S-Line in quality (I`d say not as good as the Z24-200 even past about 28-30mm either) - Sony have upped the G-master ante but at a price

nflanders2 said:

ouch, that was hard to watch.

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Agreed

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nflanders2 said:

I watched it, so you don't need to. They are rating 3 cameras in 10 categories:

1. Handling: Z8 sucks because of low res viewfinder lol and no flippy screen. A7R5 rulez because of many dials.
2. Travel: mostly comparing weight of body plus 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Nikon is heavier then others.
3. Portrait: doing some portrait shoot with the 70-200. Z8 focuses on the eylashes, while other cameras on the iris. OK. Skin tone on Z8 and R5 are warmer, on A7R5 more purple (more natural ?!). And Tony complains about weight again.
4. Video: some complaints about NRAW. Dunno. Z8 AF seems to have an issue.
5. Wildlife: Z8 wins this, AF is good, but VF resolution and CaRdS
6. Sports: Z8 wins
7. Image Quality: Z8 produces some moiree (they are shooting posters and book covers lol), so Z8 loses
8. VR: Z8 some stops behind. Dunno.
9. Apps: Yeah
10. Lenses: Sony has so great lenses or whatever

ouch, that was hard to watch.

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Thanks for taking one for the team.

skyrunr said:

kbrkr said:

DigitalFFUser said:

Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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Agreed, and if you ARE going to post a link to their video, at least you can summarize their findings so we don't have to sit through it.

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JUST NO! Where do we draw the line of approved content? Moderation (regulation) are what most other sites end up with, and you end with dull content. This article was properly sited and posted. You can choose to click on the link or not. A poster can choose to summarize their results or not.

The fact that 20+ people liked these anti T&C links is absurd, and also why popular opinion is also failing society.

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I partially agree with you. The OP listed the link to the video and clearly stated the producers of the video. That's all I need to know. So I agree with you there. I also agree that the mods should not be taking down any links/posts unless it violates forum rules, like no gear sales.

But I also would say that a link to a video with a generic comment like "here's a link to a video of the Z8 you might like" with no information about who the creator is is in bad form. The OP did not do that here so I see nothing wrong with their post and link.

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sirhawkeye64 said:

HRS said:

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These comparisons are a bit of a joke to be honest. Unless you're shopping for a camera, it doesn't matter really. I'm sure the R5 is better than the Z8 in some respects, and I'm sure the A7R V is better than the R5 in some respects. I'm also quite sure the Z8 kills both in other areas.

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I didn’t watch the video but the conclusion should probably be that you can’t go wrong with any of these. Find a store and handle them all.

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Exactly my point. It doesn't matter, as long as the camera or brand of choice fits your needs.

HRS said:

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1. The complaint about weight for body and 70-200 is completely offset by the new 70-180 Nikon.

2. The viewfinder. Although on paper lower res Nikon made it lag free and totally blackout free, pretty important for action/sports/wildlife.

3. Lens selection - this depends of course on what you shot. For high end tele work for wildlife and sports Nikon has taken the lead.

4. The moire-test. If they tested it on a piece of fabric it might have been useful, but a book cover? It has a printed pattern, although stocastic.

Thanks - I never watch them but kudos for taking one for the team.

HRS said:

Oddly, that viewpoint wouldn't apply here to Steve Perry videos, to mention but one pro-Nikon YouTuber.

I did say "Tony & Chelsea" in the thread title, so let's let forum-goers decide for themselves rather than censor viewpoints a priori. I found their comparison very useful, and they were quite favorable to Nikon in many aspects.

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Why not give a summary of what you thought was useful/insightful about the video so people aren't forced to watch it to see if they would find it useful?

T&C have engaged in so much clickbait and hyperbole that people are wholly justified in not trusting anything they have to say.

DigitalFFUser said:

HRS said:

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Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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“We”?

My opinion of Tony and Chelsea stands very well on its own. Thank you.

It was very clear some years ago why this stratum of utubers are simply irrelevant to the real photographic industry. It is pointless sharing links to them here; doing so calls into question the judgement and motivations of the messenger, particularly when 2 or more camera systems are mentioned

There are several reasons, including dishonesty and incompetence. They are out of their depth trying to compare complex instruments with poor understanding of the the physics of sensors and optics.

They are ignored for sound reasons by anyone planning to spend hard won earnings on expensive camera gear. It is remarkable the facts of this situation even need to pointed out.


If I even wanted to change systems, I would read up on lens and camera teardowns by the likes of LensRentals who look under the head and carry out reliable tests,

Even if I'm planning to upgrade within the Nikon system I (or more remotely buy into another camera system) I read the honest reports from in depth field tests of cameras by Nasim Manusrov at PL, Thom Hogan who writes the very detailed technical ebooks on these cameras, and compares autofocus etc.... As does Brad Hill and Steve Perry....

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I hadn't seen them before. I watched the intro & the handling comparison. I've got no real need for these sorts of social media influencers. My cameras are not fashion accessories. If you enjoy this sort of 'content', then have at it.

davethebirder said:

I keep on hearing that however the Z8/Z9 is missing eye focus

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They do not for me.

davethebirder said:

Rene Gr said:

kbrkr said:

DigitalFFUser said:

HRS said:

**Viewer Discretion Advised**

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Please don't post their links here as we don't give them free clicks. I don't know why admins allow these posts in the first place.

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Agreed, and if you ARE going to post a link to their video, at least you can summarize their findings so we don't have to sit through it.

Click to expand...

Well, I think the video deserves a look. They have clear points, and to just relate to their score sum is foolish anyway. You need to watch the video and decide if their points are yours.

Admittedly, a summary would be nice to have. So here it is (partly), centered on the Nikon Z8 viewpoint:

• The Nikon cannot flip the screen forward, but has a good grip and handling.
• The Nikon viewfinder is "low resolution". Is that even true in comparison?
• The Nikon tele lens they showed is heavier than comparable lenses. It is also better quality.
• The Nikon focused on the eyelashes, not the iris, and sometimes on the rear eye.
• Nikon lost focus in a video they shot.

I stopped at that point, because I am not interested in wildlife capabilities. From all I heard, the Z9 and Z8 is absolutely leading in that respect.

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So it's a question of what you shoot, I shoot birds/wild life D500/D750 Afs 600mm F4E FL so a heavier body with the best grip is imperative for me and the range of Z tele glass is the best out there .. T+C's choice for birding was the Nikon .

I keep on hearing that however the Z8/Z9 is missing eye focus which if I was doing portraiture would be frustrating ......

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I use Z6 Eye AF and it almost never miss focus. I have D850 and D610 too but they are/were behind my Z6 in terms of AF and colors.

chambeshi said:

They are ignored for sound reasons by anyone planning to spend hard won earnings on expensive camera gear. It is remarkable the facts of this situation even need to pointed out.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62680949

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I went and read you past linked DPR post. Interesting and no doubt true.

I would extend the opinions stated in that past DPR post to the DPR forums itself. I've often seen people asking here if Nikon reads these forums for feedback on Nikon gear. Some go so far as to say "I'm sure Nikon has someone following these forums and reporting back to Nikon.

Given what you and Roger wrote previously, I would seriously doubt Nikon takes much stock in the opinions posted here on DPR, if they even read them.

I couldnt watch the whole thing. But I did review the summary.

The only one I don't understand is image quality. ??

All 3 cameras have their strengths, and came is essentially equal. Z8 excelled at sports and wildlife.