NormSchultze
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Wires are the bane of my photography existance. Are there any add-ons or programs that can easily remove them?
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AI and Wire Removal
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sybersitizen
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What software do you have now?
NormSchultze
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Photoshop Elements 2021
Digital Nigel
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Luminar Neo claims to do it. It's very easy to use, works well in simple cases, but misses some in images with lots of wires.
Luminar Neo - Remove Power Lines — Scott Davenport Photography
Remove Power Lines in Luminar Neo is a solid start, although the AI has room for improvement.
scottdavenportphoto.com
Major Jack
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There are many threads over the last couple of years here that talk about the different tools used to fix, or replace power lines, or cable lines, or telephone poles. Many threads.
There are tools out there that can help with the process also. And, there are some plug-ins that are on the market designed to help with the process. But, most plugins are PREDICTIVE, (very much like content aware in Photoshop) where they estimate surrounding pixels to use in replacing the power lines. Many times, it is not accurate, especially in highly detail images, like buildings. Predictive software can not match those areas with great precision, you have to use the CLONE tool which is highly precise, but you really have to zoom in, and use the pixels that match what you need to replace.
If you are willing, post a photo of one that you want fixed, and let us play with it, and show you how we do it.
Here are a few threads from the past.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65806120 This one was a MESS!!!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66573926
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66509144
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66028281
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65937572
Kaj E
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Does Elements have healing brush or spot healing brush?
nand
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This was done using Adobe Photoshop beta's regenerative fill. All I did was roughly select the offensive items with the lasso tool and let the regenerative AI do its thing. Ten minute at most.
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Night Pixel
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This new feature is very impressive. This video by FStoppers shows why:
This was done using Adobe Photoshop beta's regenerative fill. All I did was roughly select the offensive items with the lasso tool and let the regenerative AI do its thing. Ten minute at most.
Nand.
Has Photoshop Gone Too Far with Generative Fill?
also by Aaron Nace How Generative Fill in Photoshop will Change Everything You Know About Editing
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The new to Photoshop Remove tool is far more capable than the Spot Healing brush and does a better job than many of us can do with tedious cloning. It can be applied several times with usually improvement at each pass.
But nothing, absolutely nothing, compares to with the new Generative Fill tool in the Photoshop Beta. Each pass offers three options and subsequent passes over what was already done can yield even better results. Some of the other stuff it does, like extending content if the image size is enlarged, can be jaw dropping.
Not to mention the new noise reduction in the Adobe Converter--so good it made me decide not to buy a stand-alone product I was trialing.
But nothing, absolutely nothing, compares to with the new Generative Fill tool in the Photoshop Beta. Each pass offers three options and subsequent passes over what was already done can yield even better results. Some of the other stuff it does, like extending content if the image size is enlarged, can be jaw dropping.
Not to mention the new noise reduction in the Adobe Converter--so good it made me decide not to buy a stand-alone product I was trialing.
Major Jack
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First of all, please do not think I am saying that the Regenerative Tool is not useful, as pretty much anything Photoshop creates is highly useful, in most cases their tools do a fantastic job, they really do, and they help the user get the results much faster. But, I have clearly found that PREDICTIVE TOOLS, are just that, predictive, and in highly detailed areas, they simply are unable to reproduce that actual pixels lost. They just can't.
This was done using Adobe Photoshop beta's regenerative fill. All I did was roughly select the offensive items with the lasso tool and let the regenerative AI do its thing. Ten minute at most.
Nand.
In the photo below, I used the CLONE tool only, which uses actual pixels in the image itself, it does not predict. It took about 15 minutes total, by zooming in, and using actual pixels to replace the power lines, including on the street, (shadows of the power lines), which the Regenerative tool would never see.
Also, if you look at the middle part of the image (regenerative photo) on the roof line, you will see "PREDICTIVE" areas where the tool just could not duplicate the actual roof line. The easiest way to see the difference is to place the two images on top of each other and then compare by simply looking at the different images (layers).
Again, not knocking the Regenerative Tool, as it will be almost like Neo's Power line removal tool, in the fact it will do a great job in the sky areas, where it can easily replace those lines. But it will not do a good job in high detail areas, as it just can not predict and match. You have to use actual pixels in the image to duplicate and fill those areas.
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Major Jack
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Again, please understand that I am not trying to DISCOURAGE the use of the Regenerative Tool. I am just trying to show the differences between two Photoshop Tools, that is all I want to show.
The Regenerative Tool will predict what you want to replace, and will do it through predicting which pixels to replace, and then do it with AI. The Clone tool, will replace pixels with actual pixels you the user selects from the photo itself and places those pixels exactly where you want them to be placed. That is the difference with these tools.
This Animated Gif file will show you the differences between what the Regenerative Tool did, compared to what the Clone Tool did. You will see the actual areas that the Regenerative Tool struggles with, in highle detail areas.
NOTE: If the image does not animate, click on the image and then OPEN the original size file.
Also, please note the detail which is lost in the Regenerative Processing, especially on the roof and in the windows.
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Major Jack
The Regenerative Tool will predict what you want to replace, and will do it through predicting which pixels to replace, and then do it with AI. The Clone tool, will replace pixels with actual pixels you the user selects from the photo itself and places those pixels exactly where you want them to be placed. That is the difference with these tools.
This Animated Gif file will show you the differences between what the Regenerative Tool did, compared to what the Clone Tool did. You will see the actual areas that the Regenerative Tool struggles with, in highle detail areas.
NOTE: If the image does not animate, click on the image and then OPEN the original size file.
Also, please note the detail which is lost in the Regenerative Processing, especially on the roof and in the windows.
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nand
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I understand and agree with what you are saying. Other than that the AI doesn’t predict what I like to remove. Instead, I tell it what I want to change by selecting the items with the lasso tool. The AI now fills in the area with what it picks up from the surrounding area. Very much like the inpainting tools, just better with some detail. And like you say, I have no control over its selection where you do with the clone tool. This is also the reason that the powerline shadow wasn’t fixed, because I didn’t include it in my original lasso selection.
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Night Pixel
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Has anyone with access to the Photoshop beta tried wire removal with the new Generative Fill tool?
NormSchultze
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TThx to all. I have some new ideas to try out-things I didn't know existed !
Major Jack
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The Retouch app, which I purchased in the Google store for $2 last time I asked this question, now costs $4 and is up to version 5. Free update!
It works pretty well, but the UI for exporting to Google Drive worked once for me but not twice. Retouch would probably work great on a tablet, but I can't recommend it on a tiny screen. It's very good at following lines, although on a phone only a small segment is visible.
Judging by results above, Photoshop is no better than this $4 app. Major Jack FTW of course.
It works pretty well, but the UI for exporting to Google Drive worked once for me but not twice. Retouch would probably work great on a tablet, but I can't recommend it on a tiny screen. It's very good at following lines, although on a phone only a small segment is visible.
Judging by results above, Photoshop is no better than this $4 app. Major Jack FTW of course.
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Night Pixel
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Major Jack, the new tool, Generative Fill, does MUCH more than line removal in Neo. This video by Terry White gives you a very good idea of where this tech is going:
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