Any S1R mark 2 in the pipe?

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Hi there,

My question in the title... Maybe rumors or something but would be nice anyway if that would be.

Bravo Panasonic for upping its game.
 
I doubt that there'll be a new hi-res camera with the Lumix name on it. A new Leica SL is likely, but of course that'll be Leica money. Best buy an S1r now !

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I think there will be a hi-res body coming. Otherwise, Panasonic would be the only mainstream FF camera manufacturer that does not have a hi-res offering.

Will it be an S1RII? S5IIR? Or maybe a Z9/A1 competitor? Don't know, but I'm hoping for an S5IIR. As much as I love my S1R.
 
I just don't care if there is a mark2 body, I only wish that panasonic could have fixed their lossy compression RAW format for S1R original.
 
I just don't care if there is a mark2 body, I only wish that panasonic could have fixed their lossy compression RAW format for S1R original.
What data do you think you lost in that compression method?
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
IMO a high res sensor camera doesn't need a top notch AF.

To shoot landscapes or merchandising there is not even need for AF.

I'd sadly surprised if Pana wouldn't go after the Sony A7R line. The S1R was superior in resolution than the Sony 42mpx sensor, would be great if Pana was repeating the shot against the Sony 62mpx sensor.
It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
 
I doubt that there'll be a new hi-res camera with the Lumix name on it. A new Leica SL is likely, but of course that'll be Leica money. Best buy an S1r now !
According to Panasonic, there will be a new camera later this year and if history is any indication it would be delivered in both Lumix and Leica brand variants:

“We are planning to release a mirrorless machine jointly developed with Leica Camera, which we formed a comprehensive partnership with at the end of May, in about a year.”

 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
IMO a high res sensor camera doesn't need a top notch AF.

To shoot landscapes or merchandising there is not even need for AF.

I'd sadly surprised if Pana wouldn't go after the Sony A7R line. The S1R was superior in resolution than the Sony 42mpx sensor, would be great if Pana was repeating the shot against the Sony 62mpx sensor.
It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
 
I doubt that there'll be a new hi-res camera with the Lumix name on it. A new Leica SL is likely, but of course that'll be Leica money. Best buy an S1r now !
According to Panasonic, there will be a new camera later this year and if history is any indication it would be delivered in both Lumix and Leica brand variants:

“We are planning to release a mirrorless machine jointly developed with Leica Camera, which we formed a comprehensive partnership with at the end of May, in about a year.”

https://petapixel.com/2022/08/08/panasonic-and-leica-to-launch-jointly-developed-mirrorless-camera/
I'll be curious about the pricing of this offering. There was a rumor that the S1mii would be announced in Q3. Would they co-brand that? Or will it be an entirely new offering?
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
IMO a high res sensor camera doesn't need a top notch AF.

To shoot landscapes or merchandising there is not even need for AF.

I'd sadly surprised if Pana wouldn't go after the Sony A7R line. The S1R was superior in resolution than the Sony 42mpx sensor, would be great if Pana was repeating the shot against the Sony 62mpx sensor.
It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
One of the S1R’s problems was the price at system launch. a brand new mount system by a company known for leaning on video spec, with a small lens stable? would have been quite a risk to commit to, very little chance of someone “switching” into it.

However… today its a bit of a different story, there are far more lenses available, they have continued to develop (slowly), they have shown they can do a killer AF system like everyone else. They have not abandoned the design philosophy of high build quality, ergonomics, and user controls. I think it would be a much better sales story if they released an S5R or S1RM2. Particularly with the stream of bored pentax users, and frustrated canon customers looking for alternatives.
Yes I completely agree.

And, if they do create a high-resolution body, it should absolutely have the new AF system. While fast AF is strictly not needed for landscape, high-res bodies are also very useful for sports, wildlife, and even street photography (where cropping can be super valuable), all of which benefit from good AF-C. And while I do not think Panasonic will go after the pro sports market, plenty of us amateurs enjoy a good BIF shot (or video!), and it would be a missed opportunity if they did not provide a body capable of that.

My prediction, for what that is worth, is that the hi-resolution body will be in the form-factor of the S5II, not the S1R. As a landscape photographer, I'm certainly hoping for that.

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It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
If it wasn't for its size, there'd be one in my bag now!
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
IMO a high res sensor camera doesn't need a top notch AF.

To shoot landscapes or merchandising there is not even need for AF.

I'd sadly surprised if Pana wouldn't go after the Sony A7R line. The S1R was superior in resolution than the Sony 42mpx sensor, would be great if Pana was repeating the shot against the Sony 62mpx sensor.
It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
One of the S1R’s problems was the price at system launch. a brand new mount system by a company known for leaning on video spec, with a small lens stable? would have been quite a risk to commit to, very little chance of someone “switching” into it.

However… today its a bit of a different story, there are far more lenses available, they have continued to develop (slowly), they have shown they can do a killer AF system like everyone else. They have not abandoned the design philosophy of high build quality, ergonomics, and user controls. I think it would be a much better sales story if they released an S5R or S1RM2. Particularly with the stream of bored pentax users, and frustrated canon customers looking for alternatives.
Yes I completely agree.

And, if they do create a high-resolution body, it should absolutely have the new AF system. While fast AF is strictly not needed for landscape, high-res bodies are also very useful for sports, wildlife, and even street photography (where cropping can be super valuable), all of which benefit from good AF-C. And while I do not think Panasonic will go after the pro sports market, plenty of us amateurs enjoy a good BIF shot (or video!), and it would be a missed opportunity if they did not provide a body capable of that.

My prediction, for what that is worth, is that the hi-resolution body will be in the form-factor of the S5II, not the S1R. As a landscape photographer, I'm certainly hoping for that.
 
I think it's a tough position, they don't want to have that gap in their lineup, but it's probably a small segment of Panasonic users that would buy such a camera. I think if it does come, it will be the last of the S1 and S1H replacements, as those would have a wider appeal to their audience.

Personally, I think if they came out with a Z9/A1 competitor (and undercut them on price) that would be the smartest move. They'd have an entry level model and a flagship model, and then they can start filling in the gaps. But perhaps they don't feel their AF is mature enough to put it in a flagship.
IMO a high res sensor camera doesn't need a top notch AF.

To shoot landscapes or merchandising there is not even need for AF.

I'd sadly surprised if Pana wouldn't go after the Sony A7R line. The S1R was superior in resolution than the Sony 42mpx sensor, would be great if Pana was repeating the shot against the Sony 62mpx sensor.
It doesn't need to be fast but it needs to be accurate, which I think it is enough now. I think the 47mp sensor was great, to be honest I think it's more of a brand perception problem. People think Panasonic = video so they disregard their stills features. They're wrong to do this, but I think Panasonic is facing the question of whether to try and win these people over, or admit defeat and just lean into video. I just don't think the S1R is high on their priority list right now. I never saw any sales figures on the S1R, but I'm guessing the S1H and S1 crushed it. I do hope they update it though (albeit a slightly smaller body if I'm being honest).
One of the S1R’s problems was the price at system launch. a brand new mount system by a company known for leaning on video spec, with a small lens stable? would have been quite a risk to commit to, very little chance of someone “switching” into it.

However… today its a bit of a different story, there are far more lenses available, they have continued to develop (slowly), they have shown they can do a killer AF system like everyone else. They have not abandoned the design philosophy of high build quality, ergonomics, and user controls. I think it would be a much better sales story if they released an S5R or S1RM2. Particularly with the stream of bored pentax users, and frustrated canon customers looking for alternatives.
Yes I completely agree.

And, if they do create a high-resolution body, it should absolutely have the new AF system. While fast AF is strictly not needed for landscape, high-res bodies are also very useful for sports, wildlife, and even street photography (where cropping can be super valuable), all of which benefit from good AF-C. And while I do not think Panasonic will go after the pro sports market, plenty of us amateurs enjoy a good BIF shot (or video!), and it would be a missed opportunity if they did not provide a body capable of that.

My prediction, for what that is worth, is that the hi-resolution body will be in the form-factor of the S5II, not the S1R. As a landscape photographer, I'm certainly hoping for that.
absolutely, the PDAF system is basically a requirement now to compete. I think they maybe over engineered things a little with the S1 and S1R. They were just a bit to heavy for many to consider. but now they’ve shown they have the ability to make a high quality body without it weighing 1kg. just use that S5 type body but put in a high resolution sensor, high res EVF, and the expensive screen mechanism.
Add the S1* shutter sound, and it would be perfect.
 
Given that the S1 / S1R has been better than 'good enough' for many, the pricing problem would seem to be one for Leica. What could they do in order to justify a higher price?
  1. Build quality? No, the S1-family is already excellent.
  2. Longevity? For digital? Are you kidding? Both Lumix and Leica variants are likely to become bricks at the same time for reasons outside their control.
  3. A different processor? But surely this would negate the idea of joint development.
  4. Styling? You'll find advocates for, essentially, more or fewer buttons in both Leica and Lumix camps.
  5. A sensor more suited for use with M-mount lenses? How big, really, is the market for this/ Having said that, this market may be willing to pay a premium...
 
Well, if the body is going to be small, can an LVF with the same resolution as the current S1-series be fitted? This would be essential for landscape and product shots where focusing (AF or MF) is critical, and certainly if a higher-resolution sensor is fitted. Plus you only need to listen to Jordan Drake's comments in the videos to know how much he values the high-res LVF in the S1H. (IMHO, the low LVF resolution was the downside of an S5, and even in the MkII version has not matched the S1).
 

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