EF lenses on mirrorless (with adaptor) die faster ?

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I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Sounds like very bad logic in action.

While it is remotely possible that some difference in addressing the EF lenses is more stressful, it is not very likely.

What is most likely true is that most EF lenses out there are now aging, and many of them that are still used are used on mirrorless cameras with adapter, and so most lens failures in recent times are EF lenses on R-series bodies.

This is why the scientific methods were developed, because humans are irrational beings that look for simple narratives in their experiences.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.

So this assumption is based on the opinion of just one technician?

I myself never heard about this before.
 
A sample size of one technician and two broken lenses is statistically insignificant.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.
The RF mount and EF adapters have been out for several years by now. I'd expect this to be discussed way more often if this would be true and EF lenses would be dying noticeably more often with the adapters than with EF mount cameras.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.
If I shall speculate in reasons that would support this claim, that would then be that we nowadays use AF-C almost always so the AF-motor is constantly working. Also we use serial drive shooting modes more, which might make the aperture motor work more (not sure how Canon R bodys works with adapted EF-glass if it measures wide open for every shot or if the aperture stays at the set working aperture). We also take more images than before, since storage is cheaper. And lastly in many (but not all) cases the EF-lenses have already seen quite some action over the years.
 
A sample size of one technician and two broken lenses is statistically insignificant.
This is 1000% true. Also I don't take the view of this technician , just asking if anyone else has a similar experience. And the reason for that is that I plan to buy a sigma ef macro lens, because the canon rf macro is very expensive for me.
 
A sample size of one technician and two broken lenses is statistically insignificant.
This is 1000% true. Also I don't take the view of this technician , just asking if anyone else has a similar experience. And the reason for that is that I plan to buy a sigma ef macro lens, because the canon rf macro is very expensive for me.
I don't think you will receive any useful information based on what you've presented here. All you say is "the lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor."

"The lens stopped working" tells us nothing about what actually happened.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.
So this assumption is based on the opinion of just one technician?
and 2 lenses
I myself never heard about this before.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
24-70 2.8 I - old lens. And its unreliability was legendary even in 5d2 era.
He had the same problem with a sigma 24-105 f/4.

and ... the same technician repeated the same explanation ...

But the sigma was only 2 years old.
So this assumption is based on the opinion of just one technician?
and 2 lenses
I myself never heard about this before.
I wonder what the explanation is on how the adapter is harmful to lenses. R cameras running different voltages/freq than the old 5D 6D series? Seems unlikely that the EF lens has a different experience on an R5 than it would on an 5D.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
I use the EF 70-200, EF 50 f1.4, and EF 85 f1.8 on the adapter with no problems. Surely, we would have heard a lot about EF problems if it was the case. Lots of old DSLR guys on here using their old lenses with the latest R bodies.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Yes, it’s a little known fact, but it’s true. However, it doesn’t apply to all EF lenses; all the STM-equipped models are fine, as are most of the post-live-view-era USM drives. The problem is that the older drives weren’t really optimized for back-and-forth focus racking in small increments, which is something that mirrorless cameras do more often.

Let me say though, that your pro friend probably uses the hell out of his lenses, and it sounds like he shoots in low light situations a lot. Because that’s usually the only scenario in which Canon mirrorless cameras use hybrid AF (both phase and contrast detection). With normal, amateur use, this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

And before people start grilling me - I know this from the Olympus Four Thirds days (the old DSLRs). Lenses not optimized for live view sucked in that mode, and if the user wasn’t cautious, the AF motors would fail much earlier because of the constant racking. The problem became even worse when those lenses were adapted to Micro Four Thirds cameras without OSPDAF, as those would drive them to hunt even more rapidly and constantly. Similar problems have been reported with Sony mirrorless cameras with A-mount lenses, or adapted EF ones.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Yes, it’s a little known fact, but it’s true. However, it doesn’t apply to all EF lenses; all the STM-equipped models are fine, as are most of the post-live-view-era USM drives. The problem is that the older drives weren’t really optimized for back-and-forth focus racking in small increments, which is something that mirrorless cameras do more often.

Let me say though, that your pro friend probably uses the hell out of his lenses, and it sounds like he shoots in low light situations a lot. Because that’s usually the only scenario in which Canon mirrorless cameras use hybrid AF (both phase and contrast detection). With normal, amateur use, this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

And before people start grilling me - I know this from the Olympus Four Thirds days (the old DSLRs). Lenses not optimized for live view sucked in that mode, and if the user wasn’t cautious, the AF motors would fail much earlier because of the constant racking. The problem became even worse when those lenses were adapted to Micro Four Thirds cameras without OSPDAF, as those would drive them to hunt even more rapidly and constantly. Similar problems have been reported with Sony mirrorless cameras with A-mount lenses, or adapted EF ones.
This should also exist with Nikon F-mount lenses on a Z-body then?


And it should exist even more with for Canon and/or Sigma EF lenses on the MC-21 adapter on a L-mount body that only has CDAF.
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Yes, it’s a little known fact, but it’s true. However, it doesn’t apply to all EF lenses; all the STM-equipped models are fine, as are most of the post-live-view-era USM drives. The problem is that the older drives weren’t really optimized for back-and-forth focus racking in small increments, which is something that mirrorless cameras do more often.

Let me say though, that your pro friend probably uses the hell out of his lenses, and it sounds like he shoots in low light situations a lot. Because that’s usually the only scenario in which Canon mirrorless cameras use hybrid AF (both phase and contrast detection). With normal, amateur use, this shouldn’t be a problem at all.

And before people start grilling me - I know this from the Olympus Four Thirds days (the old DSLRs). Lenses not optimized for live view sucked in that mode, and if the user wasn’t cautious, the AF motors would fail much earlier because of the constant racking. The problem became even worse when those lenses were adapted to Micro Four Thirds cameras without OSPDAF, as those would drive them to hunt even more rapidly and constantly. Similar problems have been reported with Sony mirrorless cameras with A-mount lenses, or adapted EF ones.
 
I use adapted EF-100mm Macro and EF-50mm and they are still working. Failure-Nonfailure score tied 2-2. Does that mean there is a 50% chance of early failure.



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I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Sounds like very bad logic in action.

While it is remotely possible that some difference in addressing the EF lenses is more stressful, it is not very likely.

What is most likely true is that most EF lenses out there are now aging, and many of them that are still used are used on mirrorless cameras with adapter, and so most lens failures in recent times are EF lenses on R-series bodies.

This is why the scientific methods were developed, because humans are irrational beings that look for simple narratives in their experiences.
Higher frame rates pushing the Aperture mechanism harder and heavier IS duty cycle come to mind as being typical of R camera use - perhaps accelerating the natural death of old EF lenses (sooner than if otherwise used with a DSLR)



Peter
 
I have a friend who is pro photographer . He is using his old EF 24-70 f/2.8 on EOS R , with an adaptor (the original) . The lens stopped working and at the shop of his technician , the technician told him , that it's very common with ef lenses on adaptor. Could it be true ? May the EF lens on RF mount is straining more than on native mount and breaks more soon ?
Sounds like very bad logic in action.

While it is remotely possible that some difference in addressing the EF lenses is more stressful, it is not very likely.

What is most likely true is that most EF lenses out there are now aging, and many of them that are still used are used on mirrorless cameras with adapter, and so most lens failures in recent times are EF lenses on R-series bodies.

This is why the scientific methods were developed, because humans are irrational beings that look for simple narratives in their experiences.
Higher frame rates pushing the Aperture mechanism harder and heavier IS duty cycle come to mind as being typical of R camera use - perhaps accelerating the natural death of old EF lenses (sooner than if otherwise used with a DSLR)
Do you observe that with some lenses? All the ones I've looked into (literally; looking at the iris) while bursting maintain pupil size during a burst; they do not open between exposures to tweak AF in AIServo mode; that is all done at the exposure-time aperture. That's with the R5; I haven't looked into lenses on the R7 much.
 

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