Intel/AMD higher performance integrated GPU

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The stuff I'm thinking of isn't even intentional. It's just the camera is on and you see things. I bought a hood/matte box and the adapters are literally hidden inside a false bottom of the box . If I hadn't seen the review there is a good chance I would have either complained about the missing adapters or sent it back.
a printed inventory of objects inside the box works just as well for 1/millionth the byte count of an "unboxing video."

Still images offer much higher resolution than HD video.

Neither of these are spots where the video is the better medium.

In contrast, a discussion of cable management in a new system build - this could be much better done in a video demo/discourse. Or installing one of those massive air coolers.
 
That's not true in many cases.

Not all companies give complete part lists.

Those that do may be including things you can't use for one reason or another.

The only thing better than seeing something is actually having it in my hands.
 
The number of credible video editing machine reviews are? Most people looking for information on a new computer are going to end up looking at those gaming videos. Often without know what should be important and what isn't.
There are lots if you actually look.
 
Most of the ones I've looked at are at best superficial. At worst are sponsored videos trying to sell the demoed system.

You can dig out some information from the Puget tests. If you know what you're doing far more than any of the videos I've seen.
 
Looks like it's getting past time to lock this thread, too.

Moderators? Do you agree?
 
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The New AMD Ryzen RDNA2 APUs are amazing and the new Radeon 680M Is the most Powerful iGPU On the market right now! Integrated graphics have never been so good! In this video, we run some benchmarks and test out some AAA PC games using the new RYZEN 6900HS using only the built-in Radeon 680M iGPU with 12CUs at 2400MHz and 4800MHz DDR Ram It rocks at 1080P these new RDNA APUs are going to change the game for Mini PCs and thin laptops!
 
a printed inventory of objects inside the box works just as well for 1/millionth the byte count of an "unboxing video."
There's one thing you can't beat "unboxing videos" for: figuring out how to repack everything properly when you have to return a product... ;)
 
Henry Richardson quoted below video link:

The New AMD Ryzen RDNA2 APUs are amazing and the new Radeon 680M Is the most Powerful iGPU On the market right now! Integrated graphics have never been so good! In this video, we run some benchmarks and test out some AAA PC games using the new RYZEN 6900HS using only the built-in Radeon 680M iGPU with 12CUs at 2400MHz and 4800MHz DDR Ram It rocks at 1080P these new RDNA APUs are going to change the game for Mini PCs and thin laptops!
Very impressive indeed, especially for an 80-105 TDP laptop processor. Below is a relevant graph from this TechSpot review of the new Asus ROG Zephyrus G14.


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Henry Richardson quoted below video link:

The New AMD Ryzen RDNA2 APUs are amazing and the new Radeon 680M Is the most Powerful iGPU On the market right now! Integrated graphics have never been so good! In this video, we run some benchmarks and test out some AAA PC games using the new RYZEN 6900HS using only the built-in Radeon 680M iGPU with 12CUs at 2400MHz and 4800MHz DDR Ram It rocks at 1080P these new RDNA APUs are going to change the game for Mini PCs and thin laptops!
Very impressive indeed, especially for an 80-105 TDP laptop processor. Below is a relevant graph from this TechSpot review of the new Asus ROG Zephyrus G14.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2419-amd-ryzen-9-6900hs/

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That power figure on that graph includes a dedicated AMD GPU. The Ryzen 6900HS is the medium power version at 35w. It likely uses more at full load of the CPU/iGPU if the BIOS allows it but it's not going to go that high.
 
It is difficult to know how much the typical GPU benchmarks relate to photo oriented programs such as Topaz, DXO, etc. They seem to be more oriented to games. Sometimes video too. The Intel iGPUs have video decoders for some formats, as do the Apple Silicon chips, so they can often be quite fast for video, sometimes faster than a separate GPU. See this video where among other things it is discussed (including Iris Xe):


He also talks about how a separate GPU hardly helps Lightroom and Photoshop at all. We all knew that already. He doesn't mention Topaz and DXO though where a fast GPU can be helpful. Although if you aren't working with really big photos then having a fast GPU is less important. My UHD 620 (for Sharpen AI) and Nvidia MX250 (for Denoise AI) is still fast enough on my 20mp, 16mp, and smaller photos to not be a big problem. Especially since, on average, I only use one of them on about 1 photo every week or two. :-)
 
The RDNA 2 integrated GPU also looks pretty good and a step forward.

Tested: AMD’s Ryzen 7 6800U brings big performance to the tiniest laptops


Photoshop only makes a bit of use of a GPU. So does Lightroom. Programs such as DXO Deep Prime and Topaz Denoise AI and Sharpen AI use them a lot. But, most of the GPU benchmarks you will find are geared towards games and video processing. See these posts about that and how it isn't clear how much those sorts of benchmarks translate to photo editing and even DXO and Topaz programs:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66158829

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66105473
 
It is difficult to know how much the typical GPU benchmarks relate to photo oriented programs such as Topaz, DXO, etc. They seem to be more oriented to games. Sometimes video too. The Intel iGPUs have video decoders for some formats, as do the Apple Silicon chips, so they can often be quite fast for video, sometimes faster than a separate GPU. See this video where among other things it is discussed (including Iris Xe):


He also talks about how a separate GPU hardly helps Lightroom and Photoshop at all. We all knew that already. He doesn't mention Topaz and DXO though where a fast GPU can be helpful. Although if you aren't working with really big photos then having a fast GPU is less important. My UHD 620 (for Sharpen AI) and Nvidia MX250 (for Denoise AI) is still fast enough on my 20mp, 16mp, and smaller photos to not be a big problem. Especially since, on average, I only use one of them on about 1 photo every week or two. :-)
This just confirms my choice in my notebook. I bought an inspiron 5406. I love the touch screen 2 in 1 form factor and the upgradability I didn't get with the xps 13. I can upgrade the ram, SSD, wifi, battery and even the processor in my notebook. I could not do as many upgrades to the XPS 13. The build quality of my inspiron is great. It has XE graphics and I have edited all sorts of things on it with no slow downs. Yep, there are probably some 20 lb, fugly gaming block that could edit videos faster with a dedicated card, but this works great.

I am sure that the new intel/amd integrated graphics systems can run circles around this one, but that only shows how fast they are.
 
This just confirms my choice in my notebook. I bought an inspiron 5406. I love the touch screen 2 in 1 form factor and the upgradability I didn't get with the xps 13. I can upgrade the ram, SSD, wifi, battery and even the processor in my notebook. I could not do as many upgrades to the XPS 13. The build quality of my inspiron is great. It has XE graphics and I have edited all sorts of things on it with no slow downs. Yep, there are probably some 20 lb, fugly gaming block that could edit videos faster with a dedicated card, but this works great.
Do you use the Topaz programs or DXO DeepPrime? I wonder how the Iris Xe GPU does with those programs which depend heavily on the GPU? I have never found any good info on that.
I am sure that the new intel/amd integrated graphics systems can run circles around this one, but that only shows how fast they are.
 
This just confirms my choice in my notebook. I bought an inspiron 5406. I love the touch screen 2 in 1 form factor and the upgradability I didn't get with the xps 13. I can upgrade the ram, SSD, wifi, battery and even the processor in my notebook. I could not do as many upgrades to the XPS 13. The build quality of my inspiron is great. It has XE graphics and I have edited all sorts of things on it with no slow downs. Yep, there are probably some 20 lb, fugly gaming block that could edit videos faster with a dedicated card, but this works great.
Do you use the Topaz programs or DXO DeepPrime? I wonder how the Iris Xe GPU does with those programs which depend heavily on the GPU? I have never found any good info on that.
I am sure that the new intel/amd integrated graphics systems can run circles around this one, but that only shows how fast they are.
I am purchasing the luminar package very soon and I will report back. I am curious about this as well. Right now I use the affinity suite of software, resolve and polarr for my creative imaging software. I like the luminar package for what I want to do. As far as I know, they rely on GPU as well.
 
I wonder if Intel and AMD will start integrating a higher performance GPU into their processors? Particularly when you consider what Apple has done with the M1 and the current very high prices/shortage of GPUs.

My last few laptops with Intel processors have had integrated GPUs, but they are low performance:
  • i7-8565U - Intel UHD 620 (also has Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5)
  • i5-6200U - Intel HD Graphics 520
  • i7-3630QM - Intel HD Graphics 4000 (also has Nvidia GeForce GT 650M 2gb)
  • i5-520M - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD
It has been years since I have had a desktop. These days, from what I read, there is a shortage of GPUs and/or very high prices. It would be helpful for those of us who use the Topaz products, DXO, etc. which make heavy use of the GPU to have better ones that are integrated and not need separate ones. The separate ones would then be mostly interesting to high end users doing video editing, gamers, etc.

Apple came out with their M1 processor last year that integrates a multi-core ARM RISC CPU, multi-core GPU, very high speed RAM, etc. all on one chip. Topaz and DXO run well on it.

I have often wondered why Intel and AMD have such low performance integrated GPUs on their processors? I have heard that the newest Intel processors have Iris GPUs which are a bit better, but still not as good, I think.
If you plan to mount video in 4K, these video cards will not solve this task.
 
Do you use the Topaz programs or DXO DeepPrime? I wonder how the Iris Xe GPU does with those programs which depend heavily on the GPU? I have never found any good info on that.
I am purchasing the luminar package very soon and I will report back. I am curious about this as well. Right now I use the affinity suite of software, resolve and polarr for my creative imaging software. I like the luminar package for what I want to do. As far as I know, they rely on GPU as well.
I am pretty sure it will work well for you. But, Affinity, etc. are probably more like Photoshop and Lightroom in that they only make rather light use of the GPU. Heavy hitting photo programs like Topaz and DXO do some serious processing and make very heavy use of the GPU. The processing time can be dramatically different with them using a good GPU and using the CPU. Also, dramatic differences depending on which GPU.

Unfortunately, all the GPU benchmarks tend to focus on gaming or video editing and not processing with Topaz or DXO. The gaming benchmarks sometimes are pretty far off the mark if what you do is video editing, and vice versa. And that makes me think that the gaming and video benchmarks may be off the mark with regards to Topaz and DXO also. Here is a useful post:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66105473

See this thread where many people ran the same Topaz Sharpen AI benchmark suite on different computers and reported the time:

PC Topaz Sharpen AI Benchmark 2021

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65635932

I read through it last year, but I don't recall any Iris Xe timings. There are several versions of Iris Xe and you have to dig a bit to find out which one you have. They perform differently.

With Iris Xe and other integrated GPUs, they use the system RAM so having faster RAM can be helpful.

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The capabilities of Iris Xe will be sufficient for photo processing. But for video editing, it is better to use more powerful Nvidia video cards.
 
The capabilities of Iris Xe will be sufficient for photo processing. But for video editing, it is better to use more powerful Nvidia video cards.
The Iris Xe is very weak. If you've done HDR stacking, focus stacking, pano stitching, you'll hit the limits very quickly. Iris Xe is only a tad better than their old Iris Plus iGPU.

If only Intel can integrate the whole Arc 370M into the cpu silicon on a 5nm process, and bump the graphics to 1,2GHz base/2GHz boost, that would be a game changer.
 
I have been using the Luminar NEO software for a week or so, and yes, it's very reliant on the GPU for its processing. On my notebook, the software works quickly and smoothly for every task I put at it. The longest wait for doing a heavy edit was approx one second. No long delays, etc. Xe graphics is fine for most photography use and video editing of 1080 videos as well. Bump up to 6k and yes, the system will take longer to process videos but nothing terrible. I keep going back to the graphs from the comparison video of M1, mac pro, the puget system (built in 2017) and the new XPS 13 system. This shows the difference in intel based systems using graphics cards and Xe on the xps 13. All systems do it fairly quickly, but the two with dedicated gpu hardware do very well. The iris Xe based xps notebook is not far behind the two desktop beasts, with the M1 taking up the rear. Lack of ram and low graphics power is the culprit there.

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I have been using the Luminar NEO software for a week or so, and yes, it's very reliant on the GPU for its processing. On my notebook, the software works quickly and smoothly for every task I put at it. The longest wait for doing a heavy edit was approx one second. No long delays, etc. Xe graphics is fine for most photography use and video editing of 1080 videos as well. Bump up to 6k and yes, the system will take longer to process videos but nothing terrible. I keep going back to the graphs from the comparison video of M1, mac pro, the puget system (built in 2017) and the new XPS 13 system. This shows the difference in intel based systems using graphics cards and Xe on the xps 13. All systems do it fairly quickly, but the two with dedicated gpu hardware do very well. The iris Xe based xps notebook is not far behind the two desktop beasts, with the M1 taking up the rear. Lack of ram and low graphics power is the culprit there.

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If I remember correctly, the basic M1 doesn't have ProRes codec embedded. For ProRes video, it's better to compare it with the M1 Pro or Max.
 

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