Intel/AMD higher performance integrated GPU

[Robert Zanatta]

MSI announced a laptop with the 12900 CPU and 3080Ti GPU. It's going to be a hot item!

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[Austinian]

MSI announced a laptop with the 12900 CPU and 3080Ti GPU. It's going to be a hot item!

Quite possibly in both senses of the word. ;-)

 

[Billiam29]

What on Earth does "Iris Xe Graphics eligible" mean? (emphasis mine)

That's how the "Processor Graphics" entry is listed for the new 12500 and 12600 H series i5 CPUs on the Intel Ark web site. If it just means something like "can also be used with a discrete GPU" then that's a pretty awful way of noting that.

 

[silentstorm]

I can edit 4K video on my four year old IGPU. Just saying edit doesn't mean much.

So where does your "AMD cards don't tend to test very well in many non gaming benchmarks" comes in? The Vega64 works really well for me in non gaming environment. You're saying your 4 yr old iGPU is equally good or equally bad? Not sure what you're getting there.

 

[NickZ2016]

What I'm saying is if all you're doing is cutting some clips to size almost anything will work. It's not a very challenging test. Go look at something like the Puget tests.

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With the launch of the AMD Radeon RX 6900 XT, we finally get a look at the top-end GPU from AMD's 6000-series. We have looked at how the Radeon 6900 XT performs in a range of professional applications to help you decide whether they are worth using in a new workstation, or as an upgrade in your...

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From an overall standpoint, the Radeon 6900 XT is solidly beaten by the significantly less expensive GeForce RTX 3060 Ti by about 10%, and falls behind the more closely priced (although still cheaper) RTX 3080 by a larger 23%. And when looking at especially GPU bound tasks like noise reduction and OpenFX, the results are even more in NVIDIA's favor with the GeForce RTX 3080 scoring a massive 56% higher than the Radeon 6900 XT.

 

[Sean Nelson]

So where does your "AMD cards don't tend to test very well in many non gaming benchmarks" comes in?

What I'm saying is if all you're doing is cutting some clips to size almost anything will work.

"Non gaming" covers a lot of ground. There are non gaming programs out there that rely pretty heavily on GPU performance - video editors come to mind.

 

[silentstorm]

What I'm saying is if all you're doing is cutting some clips to size almost anything will work. It's not a very challenging test. Go look at something like the Puget tests.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...-XT-Review-Roundup-2034/#DaVinciResolveStudio

From an overall standpoint, the Radeon 6900 XT is solidly beaten by the significantly less expensive GeForce RTX 3060 Ti by about 10%, and falls behind the more closely priced (although still cheaper) RTX 3080 by a larger 23%. And when looking at especially GPU bound tasks like noise reduction and OpenFX, the results are even more in NVIDIA's favor with the GeForce RTX 3080 scoring a massive 56% higher than the Radeon 6900 XT.

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, if the the software one is using is optimised for CUDA, then going with a nVidia card makes a lot of sense.

 

[silentstorm]

So where does your "AMD cards don't tend to test very well in many non gaming benchmarks" comes in?

NickZ2016 wrote:

What I'm saying is if all you're doing is cutting some clips to size almost anything will work.

"Non gaming" covers a lot of ground. There are non gaming programs out there that rely pretty heavily on GPU performance - video editors come to mind.

And crypto mining! Hahahahahahaha~

 

[kyjy]

AMD just announced the Ryzen 6000 CPUs will move to the Navi2 GPU (as in Radeon 6000 series. The first laptops with this CPU has already been announced (Lenovo, Asus, IIRC). There will be -G CPUs (like the current 5x00G and 4x00 Pro too with integrated graphics.

How well they perform remains to be seen, as it depends on how many compute units or cores or whatever they fit in, but even the previous gen CPUs which had the much much older Vega graphics, wiped the floor with the best Intel had to offer in the graphics department. So this should be good.

For what it's worth, I have both the 6900XT (Navi2) and 3080 (Ampere) GPUs. They perform roughly similar. nVIDIA is a little faster in somethings, AMD in others, with the balance being on AMD's side (I think the 6900XT really fits in between the original 3080 and 3090 - I can't comment on the Ti models), but it runs a fair bit cooler, and thus lower power usage. Just my (limited) experience so far - YMMV

 

[Robert Zanatta]

Up to 12 of the new compute units for the APU. AMD is claiming double the gaming performance over 5000 series. And higher single core frequency for the CPU.

Gotta love the competition.

 

[CBR1100XX]

Up to 12 of the new compute units for the APU. AMD is claiming double the gaming performance over 5000 series. And higher single core frequency for the CPU.

Gotta love the competition.

I'm really curious about the efficiency gains. AMD said they aren't planning to do something like big.LITTLE and that they'll get to those efficiencies by tweaking certain cores which was alluded to in the presentation as "50 new power management features" but they only gave a few examples.

 

[Henry Richardson]

I don't care about gaming, but this is sounding like it may work pretty well for programs such as Topaz and DXO...maybe. Time will tell.

AMD Ryzen 6000 mobile: 5GHz boosts and AAA gaming on integrated graphics

AMD Ryzen 6000 mobile: 5GHz boosts and AAA gaming on integrated graphics

At CES 2022, AMD announced its Ryzen 6000 mobile processors for gaming and consumer laptops with a focus on power efficiency and improved integrated graphics.

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Look, integrated graphics aren’t exciting. It’s hard to get enthusiastic about integrated graphics — at least, it always has been in the past. But AMD is serious about its Ryzen 6000 graphics this time around, and with RDNA 2 as the architectural foundation, it’s hard not to get my hopes up.

Throw in the fact that these are the first integrated graphics with hardware ray tracing, and you’ve got my attention.

RDNA 2 is the same architecture used in AMD’s Radeon 6000 discrete graphics, as well as in the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5. It’s scaled back here, obviously, but if we can believe AMD’s performance charts, these might be the most powerful integrated graphics ever made. That is, if you count out Apple’s M1 Pro and M1 Max.

Up against Intel’s 11th-gen integrated graphics, AMD is showing some dramatic leads across a variety of titles. The Ryzen 7 6800U even demolishes the Nvidia MX450 discrete GPU.

 

[The Point and Shoot Pro]

I don't care about gaming, but this is sounding like it may work pretty well for programs such as Topaz and DXO...maybe. Time will tell.

AMD Ryzen 6000 mobile: 5GHz boosts and AAA gaming on integrated graphics

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-6000-step-up-efficiency-graphics/

Look, integrated graphics aren’t exciting. It’s hard to get enthusiastic about integrated graphics — at least, it always has been in the past. But AMD is serious about its Ryzen 6000 graphics this time around, and with RDNA 2 as the architectural foundation, it’s hard not to get my hopes up.

Throw in the fact that these are the first integrated graphics with hardware ray tracing, and you’ve got my attention.

RDNA 2 is the same architecture used in AMD’s Radeon 6000 discrete graphics, as well as in the Xbox Series X and Playstation 5. It’s scaled back here, obviously, but if we can believe AMD’s performance charts, these might be the most powerful integrated graphics ever made. That is, if you count out Apple’s M1 Pro and M1 Max.

Up against Intel’s 11th-gen integrated graphics, AMD is showing some dramatic leads across a variety of titles. The Ryzen 7 6800U even demolishes the Nvidia MX450 discrete GPU.

How come they don't compare it to intel's 12th gen?

 

[Robert Zanatta]

I don't think there are any benchmarks for the 12th generation laptop processors as they are not available yet. The laptop processors are supposed to have more execution units than the desktops, and they likely run at different frequencies, so the desktop processors can't be compared. Both laptop and desktop can use DDR4 and DDR5 memory, with the latter being able to provide better GPU performance with a iGPU.

The AMD 6000 laptop processors and the upcoming 7000 desktop processors appear to require DDR5. That's going to help with graphics performance. Hopefully the availability of DDR5 will improve soon.

 

[NickZ2016]

11th/12th gen IGPUs are basically the same. I think a small frequency jump.

The question is how does the new AMD IGPU work in non games? Tuning the drivers etc for games isn't much use if you never play any games more complicated than solitaire.

 

[The Point and Shoot Pro]

11th/12th gen IGPUs are basically the same. I think a small frequency jump.

The question is how does the new AMD IGPU work in non games? Tuning the drivers etc for games isn't much use if you never play any games more complicated than solitaire.

I have read lots of information that the 12th gen are up to 50% faster on iGPU then the 11th gen. Which makes sense.

 

[Robert Zanatta]

11th/12th gen IGPUs are basically the same. I think a small frequency jump.

That's true for the desktop processors, but the mobile processors are supposed to have more of a performance gain. We'll have to wait and see when they roll out the new laptops over the next few weeks.

 

[CAcreeks]

I don't think there are any benchmarks for the 12th generation laptop processors as they are not available yet. The laptop processors are supposed to have more execution units than the desktops, and they likely run at different frequencies, so the desktop processors can't be compared. Both laptop and desktop can use DDR4 and DDR5 memory, with the latter being able to provide better GPU performance with a iGPU.

DDR5 uses lower voltage than DDR4, 1.1V instead of 1.2V, so theoretically it should prolong battery life. When available, is an important caveat. The laptops I've seen with 12th gen or Ryzen 6000 contain DDR4.

Combined with a good integrated GPU, if AMD produces such a thing, this should be a great boon for laptops to eliminate the Nvidia tax.

 

[Billiam29]

One thing I've noticed with the iGPUs in the new AMD 6000 products is that they do not seem to include hardware accelerated AV1 video decoding. I believe the same is true for the low end 6500 XT desktop GPU that was announced: no AV1. The mid and higher end desktop GPUs do seem to have this feature.

Now this is of course only a concern for a very specific single use case. Keep in mind, however, that all of these parts are labeled as being RDNA 2 based just like all the other current generation AMD desktop GPUs. It makes you wonder what other feature differences might exist between the iGPUs in the new 6000 series and the desktop GPUs.

 

[Robert Zanatta]

DDR5 uses lower voltage than DDR4, 1.1V instead of 1.2V, so theoretically it should prolong battery life. When available, is an important caveat. The laptops I've seen with 12th gen or Ryzen 6000 contain DDR4.

Which laptop has a Ryzen 6000 with DDR4? AMDs website has the specs on all the 6000 series mobile processors and every one list the memory as DDR5. Everything I've read says that AMD is only supporting DDR5/LPDDR5 with their new processors.