R7 or RF APSC???

Hey Canon, What do we want?? RF mount crop sensor!!! When do we wan it?? NOW!!

I bought the R6 about a year ago. My 1st mirrorless. In part due to all the rumors that an R7 or another APS-C RF mount was coming. Canon rumors said, based on a solid source, the R7 would be here in March. This is after years of much less solid rumors saying it was just around the corner. I read this morning that the R7 wasnt making a March announcement, and its just been radio silence on the camera. Nikon released their Z APS-C months ago. When?!?!??! Canon, WHEN?!?!?

Im an enthusiast photographer. I like shooting everything. The R6 is, to put it mildly, INCREDIBLE! BUT....It has a big ol sensor and though its backed by 20 gorgeous megapixels, it is just 20. Plenty for everything I intended to use full frame for, but certainly not plenty enough to crop to the same size crop as a cropped image on a crop sensor. For that I still use my 80D. I enjoy shooting birds and my primary passion is macro. For macro there probably wont be a huge benefit in the mirrorless, but for birds or anything else I want the "reach" (I know its not actually reach) along with the ridiculously dependable AF and the miriad of other benefits, an R7 or even an R90 (whatever to replace the 60d>70>80>90d) sounds Saaaaweet. But besides sounding saaaaweet it would also allow me to start shedding EF glass and replacing with RF. I doubt I would miss not being able to use my ultrawide or even my 24-70, 50 or 85 on my 80D, but I def use all of my longer lenses as well as my macro on both bodies. I KNOW I am not alone in this predicament...and Ive been paranoid Canon will instead just release some crazy 80mpx full frame with a crop mode for like $6500 that most people cant justify.

Im just ranting. Maybe comiserating. Maybe Im also hoping the Canon King will read this and order his elves to deliver the sickest sports/wildlife camera ever made to his loyal Canonites. Its time. The time is now. Now is the time.







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The good…some say it will have 32mp, 400th sec x synch, 1 stop better than R5 ibis

the bad …single card, build is more plastic, even though readout is fast the buffer is throttled after a few seconds use, expensive.

Positioned to be an entry level crop sensor for a keen amateur, not an R3 with a smaller sensor.

Announcement may be early August, supply…anyones guess

I think there’s about an even chance that you won’t see a crop sensor R model any time soon. Prep yourself for that possibility. :-(

I myself had initial interest in one, but that need has really been filled by the R5’s 45 MP sensor, which at times seems like you can crop in forever. I truly love the R5 + RF 100-500 + 1.4x combo for birding. Highly recommend it.

I have shot extensively with Canon’s current 32 MP flagship crop sensor (I have the M6ii), and even with the excellent EF 100-400 ii (+/- 1.4x iii) mounted, the IQ just doesn’t match the R5’s. I’m convinced the R5 is the better option.

As for macros (my other true love), I’d actually recommend keeping the 70D around for now. These mirrorless AF algorithms just don’t do macro well (I like to use AF on breezy days, and for moving subjects). In perfect conditions, the R5 + RF 100L does really well.

Good luck in your quest!

R2

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R2D2 said:

I think there’s about an even chance that you won’t see a crop sensor R model any time soon. Prep yourself for that possibility. :-

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starting to think the same that we won’t see any time soon Rumors have gone quite on this one

Unfortunately the R5 is out of my price range. The R6 I have mixed feeling. Rented one, focus is awesome but as a bird photographer just not sure about 20mp. And a lens beyond my 100-400 out of price range

c h u n k said:

Hey Canon, What do we want?? RF mount crop sensor!!! When do we wan it?? NOW!!

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Don't hold your breath. There hasn't been a peep from Canon, and only vague rumors on the regular rumor sites. I still believe it will come, but with continuing supply chain issues and now the Ukraine/Russia conflict camera releases just aren't going to happen with the same cycle they did when DSLRs first came out. Not to mention many consumers have gone to only using their smartphones.

c h u n k said:

I bought the R6 about a year ago. My 1st mirrorless. In part due to all the rumors that an R7 or another APS-C RF mount was coming. Canon rumors said, based on a solid source, the R7 would be here in March.

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Well, it was still only a rumor and not a Canon press release. Always take rumors with a grain of salt.

c h u n k said:

This is after years of much less solid rumors saying it was just around the corner. I read this morning that the R7 wasnt making a March announcement, and its just been radio silence on the camera. Nikon released their Z APS-C months ago. When?!?!??! Canon, WHEN?!?!?

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When they're ready and the supply chain is in better shape.

Rumors are rumors. Sometimes they turn out to be accurate. But most often that not they become nothing.

Canon never said anything about APSC-RF, nor they denied it.

And now that we are at it, ranting and making demands to canon, I will make mines.

Mister Canon, what we really want and need is a $800 RP mark II sporting R3 sensor ;-)

Regards.

Calm down - there are only 12 months left until March

R2D2 said:

I think there’s about an even chance that you won’t see a crop sensor R model any time soon. Prep yourself for that possibility. :-(

I myself had initial interest in one, but that need has really been filled by the R5’s 45 MP sensor, which at times seems like you can crop in forever. I truly love the R5 + RF 100-500 + 1.4x combo for birding. Highly recommend it.

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I’m torn by the same thoughts I wasn’t sure about 45 megapixels and really wanted 30 like my R. As I learn to appreciate 45 I’m not sure about a crop. I’m getting excellent results with the same combo and I’m considering the 2X for static birds.

Besides without a TC you get more coverage with smaller erratic birds in a FF,

Never thought I’d do it but today I put my RF 24-105 F4 on the R5. It freaked out as it never shot “one shot” before and was very confused. Figured I’d use the R with that lens exclusively but now I’m not sure I need the R anymore.

R2D2 said:

I have shot extensively with Canon’s current 32 MP flagship crop sensor (I have the M6ii), and even with the excellent EF 100-400 ii (+/- 1.4x iii) mounted, the IQ just doesn’t match the R5’s. I’m convinced the R5 is the better option.

As for macros (my other true love), I’d actually recommend keeping the 70D around for now. These mirrorless AF algorithms just don’t do macro well (I like to use AF on breezy days, and for moving subjects). In perfect conditions, the R5 + RF 100L does really well.

Good luck in your quest!

R2

ps. Beautiful shot of the Flicker.

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If they make it my money is ready to purchase it.

amas2 said:

Calm down - there are only 12 months left until March

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This winter sure is dragggggging

Doneworkin said:

R2D2 said:

I think there’s about an even chance that you won’t see a crop sensor R model any time soon. Prep yourself for that possibility. :-

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starting to think the same that we won’t see any time soon Rumors have gone quite on this one

Unfortunately the R5 is out of my price range. The R6 I have mixed feeling. Rented one, focus is awesome but as a bird photographer just not sure about 20mp. And a lens beyond my 100-400 out of price range

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What about a 600 or 800mm f/11 ? Or an EF 2xTC III for 100-400LII ? I have the latter combo on my R6 and produces incredible images. One of these telephoto lenses or the TC costs less than a fictional R7 would cost. And the dim f/11 is not a dealbreaker for bird photography which is usually done in broad daylight. Admiitedly, not the 800 f/5.6L or 600 f/4L, but those lenses are way beyond budget of many photographers, including me.

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Don't get married to the ideal that the R7 is the 7D Mark II replacement everyone thinks it may be. It is very possible the R7 is an EOS R replacement.

Personally, I'm thinking the best crop camera we'll get will be a 90D replacement. I feel like the naming convention is based on capability, and the lowest numbers mean higher capability (in general). So if we have a EOS R replacement and a 7D Mark II replacement I'm not sure which body is higher on the food chain. Whichever one is will get the R7 moniker. But there is a clear delineation if the performance crop is the 90D replacement, meaning the moniker the crop camera folks should be looking for may be the R8.

We'll see, this is purely a guess, but I just think people might be getting excited for a camera that is not what they think it is. But I think the good news is, Canon has likely caved on the ideal of not making a crop RF body. So I do think its coming, but the question is simply, will it be before the EOS R replacement or after?

I think you are right, I think the R7 will be closer in specification and build quality to the 90D than the 7Dmk2.

Im guessing there will also be an R10 series for the Rebel entry market.

Personally I do not see any sense in this idea. The only advantage of cropped sensor cameras (APSC or micro 4/3) is that their lenses ara much smaller and lighter. If we are going to use the same RF lenses for both FF and cropped sensor cameras then what is the point. And to develop completely new set of RF 'cropped' lenses would be very costly and would take many years.

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Doneworkin wrote

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Doneworkin said:

starting to think the same that we won’t see any time soon Rumors have gone quite on this one

Unfortunately the R5 is out of my price range. The R6 I have mixed feeling. Rented one, focus is awesome but as a bird photographer just not sure about 20mp. And a lens beyond my 100-400 out of price range

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I'm not sure why 20mp is such a big deal. Seemed to be perfectly fine on 1DX.

Arthur Stanley Jefferson said:

I think you are right, I think the R7 will be closer in specification and build quality to the 90D than the 7Dmk2.

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or it could be a hybrid between the two. Can’t imagine it not having the rotating LCD, and most likely the same 12fps that the R6 &R5 have. Maybe the weather sealing will be between the 90D and 7D ii. This is all idle speculation of course.

Arthur Stanley Jefferson said:

Im guessing there will also be an R10 series for the Rebel entry market.

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I think the entry level will be whatever the RP successor is.

I’ll believe it when I see it. I don’t think it is coming.

Arthur Stanley Jefferson said:

Im guessing there will also be an R10 series for the Rebel entry market.

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They have m mount for that.

R2D2 said:

I have shot extensively with Canon’s current 32 MP flagship crop sensor (I have the M6ii), and even with the excellent EF 100-400 ii (+/- 1.4x iii) mounted, the IQ just doesn’t match the R5’s. I’m convinced the R5 is the better option.

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Ouch.

That picture is gorgeous. If you don't mind, don't spare us the details. How did you take it, and what with?