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I just bought this printer and following some YT video advices I wanted to pick a paper which will allow me to download it's ICC profile matched with printer.

Unfortunately for Hahnemuhle papers this printer is not available still I assume many people print on these papers with this printer.

What would you recommend as best approach if your printer is not listed on paper manufacturer's site?

I have not unpacked the printer yet so theoritacally I could send it back and replace with something like Pro-300 but I am not sure if the ICC profile itself is worth the price and hassle.
 
RobertLysakowski said:
I just bought this printer and following some YT video advices I wanted to pick a paper which will allow me to download it's ICC profile matched with printer.

Unfortunately for Hahnemuhle papers this printer is not available still I assume many people print on these papers with this printer.

What would you recommend as best approach if your printer is not listed on paper manufacturer's site?

I have not unpacked the printer yet so theoritacally I could send it back and replace with something like Pro-300 but I am not sure if the ICC profile itself is worth the price and hassle.
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You could have a custom profile created for you. You can Google "custom printer ICC profiles" and find many vendors who could do that for you.
 
RobertLysakowski said:
I just bought this printer and following some YT video advices I wanted to pick a paper which will allow me to download it's ICC profile matched with printer.

Unfortunately for Hahnemuhle papers this printer is not available still I assume many people print on these papers with this printer.

What would you recommend as best approach if your printer is not listed on paper manufacturer's site?

I have not unpacked the printer yet so theoritacally I could send it back and replace with something like Pro-300 but I am not sure if the ICC profile itself is worth the price and hassle.
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I think you will find very few paper manufacturer-supplied ICC profiles for the iP8750 / iP8720. I think your "assum[ption that] many people print on [Hahnemuhle] papers with this printer" is probably wrong. I bet most people use in the iP8750 / iP8720 basic Canon papers (glossy, semigloss, luster, and maybe matte) or else similar store-brand papers.

However, I don't think you need to return it and get a Pro-300, or even a Pro-200. If you only want to print on a few papers, then look for a not-too-expensive service that will make custom ICC profiles for you. Forum member ColourPhil (https://www.dpreview.com/members/6057005347/overview) runs a service in the U.K. (https://www.colourphil.co.uk/profiling.shtml) that does this for £15 (or £23 for a higher-level service). In the U.S. I've used and recommend Profiles by Rick ($25, http://profilesbyrick.com/).

If you want to experiment with more than a few papers, then I recommend going on eBay and buying from a reliable seller a good-condition working X-Rite ColorMunki Photo (NOT the Display or Smile versions) or i1Studio (NOT i1Studio display) spectrophotometer. That plus the latest software will let you make your own custom ICC profiles--I have one and it works well.
 
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Thank you for your suggestions. I've found a local reseller of PermaJet paper and they do the custom profiles for their own papers (free of charge) or 3rd party for reasonable cost.

In the meantime I've received a response from Hahnemuhle to use one of the out of the box paper types closest to theirs.

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For your Canon Pixma IP8750 printer we do not offer any fine art icc profiles and therefore we recommend standard settings as media type "Matte Photo Paper/Premium Matte" for matte and satin papers or "Luster Photo Paper/Premium Luster" for glossy papers (metallic, baryta, pearl, luster, glossy, baryta satin)

Please consider the printer instructions regarding maximum paper grammage/thickness.

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RobertLysakowski said:
Thank you for your suggestions.
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You're welcome.
RobertLysakowski said:
I've found a local reseller of PermaJet paper and they do the custom profiles for their own papers (free of charge) or 3rd party for reasonable cost.
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Then if you're serious about color accuracy and/or want soft-proofing, that's the way to go. A local service is convenient, probably faster, and possibly cheaper insofar as you don't have to mail in printed profiling targets.
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In the meantime I've received a response from Hahnemuhle to use one of the out of the box paper types closest to theirs.
RobertLysakowski said:
For your Canon Pixma IP8750 printer we do not offer any fine art icc profiles and therefore we recommend standard settings as media type "Matte Photo Paper/Premium Matte" for matte and satin papers or "Luster Photo Paper/Premium Luster" for glossy papers (metallic, baryta, pearl, luster, glossy, baryta satin)

Please consider the printer instructions regarding maximum paper grammage/thickness.
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IME the 'printer manages color' / just set the media type approach that Hahnemuhle suggested may work okay for fairly standard-type glossy, satin, and luster papers with RC bases, but probably not for any papers with matte, baryta, or similar surfaces and/or cotton and/or alpha cellulose bases. But if you're happy with the results this gives you with the papers you want to use, then enjoy.
 
I am just starting my journey with home printing. I have too many pictures on Instagram and my web page and far too few on paper.

I figured out the only way I will be serious about it is to print at home when the impuls comes. I tried printing in local lab but do not like the whole process and hassle.

I will report back how it goes.
 
You might be surprised at how well Printer Manages Color does. Start with a Test Image on that Hahnemuhle or other paper. I've printed dye ink on Moab Juniper paper at times and the results are just fine for me.

Adding just gray to other four dye inks can produce outstanding prints and neutral black and white in my experience (Canon MG6220, TS9020). The iP8750 is a good place to start. A lot of printer for the money. Only thing comparable might be Epson XP-15000 with six dye inks.

ENJOY.
 
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RobertLysakowski said:
I just bought this printer and following some YT video advices I wanted to pick a paper which will allow me to download it's ICC profile matched with printer.

Unfortunately for Hahnemuhle papers this printer is not available still I assume many people print on these papers with this printer.

What would you recommend as best approach if your printer is not listed on paper manufacturer's site?

I have not unpacked the printer yet so theoritacally I could send it back and replace with something like Pro-300 but I am not sure if the ICC profile itself is worth the price and hassle.
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I realise this thread is 2 months old. Checking this forum because I've just bought this printer, primarily for BW. I think it represents good value. So, having just bought it, I know that the paperweight limit is 300gsm. Every Hahnemuhle paper I've seen is above 300gsm, hence I'm first trying a pack of Paperspectrum's A3 Lustre paper at 260gsm, also loaded the corresponding ICC profile. Supposedly good for Colour too.

I've downloaded and printed a BW test image of one of the A4 Super Glossy II sheets supplied with the printer - came out perfect.
 
windmillgolfer said:
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I've just bought this printer .... I think it represents good value.
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Agreed--arguably the best value for a budget hobbyist photo printer.
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I know that the paperweight limit is 300gsm. Every Hahnemuhle paper I've seen is above 300gsm ....
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If you want to try some 310 or 350 gsm paper in your iP8750 / iP8720, I think you can, as long as you realize it may not work well--and if your printer has a "Prevent paper abrasion" setting or similar (my Epson calls it "Thick paper and envelopes"), then use it:

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Canon Pro-100 XPS driver dialog box, showing "Prevent paper abrasion" set to on

Anything like a 300 gsm paper weight limit is at most a rough rule of thumb, and in most cases I suspect the main issue is not truly weight, but some combination of thickness and stiffness--and weight is merely a convenient but not very accurate / precise proxy for that. You may find e.g. that a 320 gsm paper that is 15 mils (0.38mm) thick works fine, but a 290 gsm paper that is 17 mils (0.43mm) thick experiences feeding problems, scuffs, and/or head strikes. You may find that, regardless of weight, RC-type and maybe even cotton-base papers are fine but most alpha cellulose-base papers cause problems.
 

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NAwlins Contrarian said:
NAwlins Contrarian said:
NAwlins Contrarian said:
Canon iP8750
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I've just bought this printer .... I think it represents good value.
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Agreed--arguably the best value for a budget hobbyist photo printer.
NAwlins Contrarian said:
I know that the paperweight limit is 300gsm. Every Hahnemuhle paper I've seen is above 300gsm ....
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If you want to try some 310 or 350 gsm paper in your iP8750 / iP8720, I think you can, as long as you realize it may not work well--and if your printer has a "Prevent paper abrasion" setting or similar (my Epson calls it "Thick paper and envelopes"), then use it:

[ATTACH alt="Canon Pro-100 XPS driver dialog box, showing "Prevent paper abrasion" set to on"]3004359[/ATTACH]
Canon Pro-100 XPS driver dialog box, showing "Prevent paper abrasion" set to on

Anything like a 300 gsm paper weight limit is at most a rough rule of thumb, and in most cases I suspect the main issue is not truly weight, but some combination of thickness and stiffness--and weight is merely a convenient but not very accurate / precise proxy for that. You may find e.g. that a 320 gsm paper that is 15 mils (0.38mm) thick works fine, but a 290 gsm paper that is 17 mils (0.43mm) thick experiences feeding problems, scuffs, and/or head strikes. You may find that, regardless of weight, RC-type and maybe even cotton-base papers are fine but most alpha cellulose-base papers cause problems.
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Thank you for your insight. This is my first venture into Photo printing, I have used my HP OfficeJet 4630 for a few years now for A4 colour, acceptable results at a bargain price, with the Instant Ink deal. However, no ICC profiles and a single Black cartridge. Club Print competitions prompt the move to A3 for BW (primarily) and larger mounted color images - within 500 x 400 mounts. So, I've yet to explore other papers, Hahnemule is just one I know other club members use but with Canon Pro printers. At this stage, I'm not looking to push the limits of the iP8750, just produce good quality prints - have to hand in two this coming Thursday. Hopefully, the performance of the Lustre paper, with current images, will be acceptable. I'm aware that one paper will not suit all images and will, most likely, order a mixed sample pack - all part of the learning curve.



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windmillgolfer said:
Thank you for your insight.
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You're welcome.
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This is my first venture into Photo printing ... So, I've yet to explore other papers .... At this stage, I'm not looking to push the limits of the iP8750, just produce good quality prints ....
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There is nothing wrong with--indeed, I encourage--people new to photo printing to start with the basic glossy, semigloss, luster, and matte papers from Canon or Epson, respectively. Buy an A4- or letter-size pack of the two whose surfaces seem most likely to be to your taste, and experiment.
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Hahnemule is just one I know other club members use but with Canon Pro printers.
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And it sells some fine papers, as do Canson and others.
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Hopefully, the performance of the Lustre paper, with current images, will be acceptable.
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It should be. Between the Canon Pro Luster and Canon Plus Semi-gloss (or whatever similar names Canon uses in the U.K.), the overall look is very similar, but the Luster has a bit more texture than the Semi-gloss.
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I'm aware that one paper will not suit all images and will, most likely, order a mixed sample pack - all part of the learning curve.
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That's a very good approach (1) once you've learned the basics with the basic Canon papers, and (2) if you have / will make yourself / will have made the correct ICC profiles for those papers in your iP8750. If you order e.g. a Hahnemuhle photo paper sample pack, but print on it without proper ICC profiles for your iP8750, then you won't really learn what the combination is capable of.
 
There is nothing wrong with--indeed, I encourage--people new to photo printing to start with the basic glossy, semigloss, luster, and matte papers from Canon or Epson, respectively. Buy an A4- or letter-size pack of the two whose surfaces seem most likely to be to your taste, and experiment.

Great thought and Canon's Premium Matte is no slouch. I would even call it economy fine art!
 
Gesture said:
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There is nothing wrong with--indeed, I encourage--people new to photo printing to start with the basic glossy, semigloss, luster, and matte papers from Canon or Epson, respectively. Buy an A4- or letter-size pack of the two whose surfaces seem most likely to be to your taste, and experiment.
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Great thought and Canon's Premium Matte is no slouch. I would even call it economy fine art!
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Assuming Canon sells in the U.K. the same basic paper it sells in the U.S. as PM-101 Photo Paper Pro Premium Matte, and the relative prices are similar, I think a Canon user wanting or open to a matte photo paper will be hard-pressed to find a better value. My usual vendor's current prince of $0.36 per 8.5x11" sheet is about as inexpensive as quality photo paper gets. And I like the Canon paper so much that I made a custom ICC profile to print on it in my Epson, instead of using Epson Ultra Premium Presentation Paper Matte.
 
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Like everything else, Rick has gone up to $35 per profile. Can we not find price stability anywhere?
 
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