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I somehow don't think Jolly Roger had Yves in mind when posting his original post.
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I'm cynincal - suggestion for Phil Askey
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I somehow don't think Jolly Roger had Yves in mind when posting his original post.
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those stupid squirrels that some people were posting everyday 
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Please no more Squirrels as your response to this message
Gabe
!Please no more Squirrels as your response to this message
Gabe
......... this is precisely within spec for the forum.
Read the complaint again, you seem to disagree and then prove our point.
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WFAdams
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I hate to defy the wishes of the original poster who is tired of pet pics. But the people have spoken> > > > > > >
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ron gallegos
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i enjoy seeing photos where the photographer give some insight as to settings equipment or even what or how you worked it in photoshop to reach the final version. some of the photos are beautiful and could stand alone just as they are; however, even there, give us a little of the technical background. squirrels wore thin months ago but because they were posted by some who are so technically knowledgeable, few if any spoke out. take care on posting shots of your children, though i always look for the technical aspect, skin coloring and the sharpness derived, i personally would be a bit embarrassed in a few years to come to the realization that i had posted so many of my beautiful child. yves this is not aimed at you because i really believe you do post beautiful thought provoking shots. post, but give us some technical background. i have seen some really wonderful shots on this site that have given me inspiration to shoot more and emulate to a degree. the black and white, for want of a better word and please forgive, "trailer park portraits" show great skill. those were some super shots worty of a book. don't enjoy sports shots taken from so back it resembles a point and shoot. also remember some wedding shots by a photographer maybe in portugal or spain shot against an arch in the twilight. sheer beauty. i went to his site and found more of the same. sports photos are also those that i enjoy. some of the equestrian shots as well as car racing were first rate. again give some tecnical background. as far as posting, i really feel that no matter where we are in our photographic careers, we all have somewhat thin skins when it comes to criticism re our work. yet again and again, i see someone posting what in my opinion is a throwaway shot and them see other postings lauding what a fine photo that is. i've never criticised for fear of hurting someone and then someone looking up my work with the attitude, just sho does he think he is. his wor isn't all that great. what might better be served by this thread are some ground rules for critiqueing pictures posted here. perhaps one of the rules might be don't ask for an opion if you really don't want truthful criticism. just post it with the message i don't really want to know what you think. it's my picture, i think it's great, and that's all that matters. i'm posting it here only for you to share in my joy of creating something this artistic. on the other hand, if you really want critique, then say so but be prepared for what i believe a great many have been holding back on this forum. 0r shall we all just be a kinder and gentler forum. just rambling and enjoying this thread.
And I never felt as if I were the target either, in any case, if Phil is unhappy about my posting, he knows how to reach me ...
No one but Phil manages this forum ....
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paulfrye
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I believe strongly in the posting of photos of all kinds on this forum (within the bounds of decency established by our host).
In addition to the technical background that we all seek here, we each learn from the photos whether they are good or bad or common. The Samples forum does not provide the same type of feedback/gratification that we are looking for. I've tried it and it didn't work. Comments about folks having the same camera brand are significant. We've all invested in Nikon equipment and we want to share our experiences with these tools. One solution might be a samples forum for each Brand -- I certainly would support that thought, such as "Nikon DSLR Samples Forum".
I believe part of the reason for this forum is to bring photo students at all stages along and to nurture their progress here. As a result, new visitors are often going to post something they know best which may be a pet or a child. To discourage them from doing that is sending the wrong message, IMHO.
Many folks here did buy gear to improve photos of their family. Due to the demographic nature of this forum their are many grandparents here and that is an important goal for them.
As a matter of courtesy, it is a good idea to put 'image', or 'img' in your subject line so folks can pass over if need be. I take as good criticism the need to keep responses short and reduce the repetition of a photo for those with slower bandwidth systems and will personally try to do better.
The quality and variety of photos here, from all over the world, is exciting. Could it be that the recent proliferation of photos here is because people are taking photographs instead of worrying about the next big thing? Are they finding that they have fantastic tools and have been spending their time working on improving instead of reading catalogs and reviews?
They've really had no choice because, with the exception of several lenses, Nikon has not brought a new DSLR camera body to market in 16 months. This has given us a chance to really understand the equipment we have and I have noticed major improvement in individual posts as a result.
Now we find we have to bide our time for another month until the D2h comes out and that means we'll have to keep taking photos with our 'antiquated' equipment. And I hope that we'll keep posting them here, too.
With all that being said, and with apologies for this lengthy post, one more thought.
Let's be more candid (self-criticism here, too). We should give a constructive critical response to photos that are posted here. If it is a snapshot of someone's pet or child and appears not to have universal appeal, let's say so -- and if possible give some thoughts on how it might be improved. One of the reasons that people post here, is that they are not sure if it is good photo or not. If not, let's respond directly to the poster, careful to use courtesy. That seems to be the best medicine to me. Even the most experienced here can post a dud.
Regards,
Paul
People are always blaming their circumstances for what they are. I don't
believe in circumstances. The people who get on in this world are the
people who get up and look for the circumstances they want, and, if they
can't find them, make them.
In addition to the technical background that we all seek here, we each learn from the photos whether they are good or bad or common. The Samples forum does not provide the same type of feedback/gratification that we are looking for. I've tried it and it didn't work. Comments about folks having the same camera brand are significant. We've all invested in Nikon equipment and we want to share our experiences with these tools. One solution might be a samples forum for each Brand -- I certainly would support that thought, such as "Nikon DSLR Samples Forum".
I believe part of the reason for this forum is to bring photo students at all stages along and to nurture their progress here. As a result, new visitors are often going to post something they know best which may be a pet or a child. To discourage them from doing that is sending the wrong message, IMHO.
Many folks here did buy gear to improve photos of their family. Due to the demographic nature of this forum their are many grandparents here and that is an important goal for them.
As a matter of courtesy, it is a good idea to put 'image', or 'img' in your subject line so folks can pass over if need be. I take as good criticism the need to keep responses short and reduce the repetition of a photo for those with slower bandwidth systems and will personally try to do better.
The quality and variety of photos here, from all over the world, is exciting. Could it be that the recent proliferation of photos here is because people are taking photographs instead of worrying about the next big thing? Are they finding that they have fantastic tools and have been spending their time working on improving instead of reading catalogs and reviews?
They've really had no choice because, with the exception of several lenses, Nikon has not brought a new DSLR camera body to market in 16 months. This has given us a chance to really understand the equipment we have and I have noticed major improvement in individual posts as a result.
Now we find we have to bide our time for another month until the D2h comes out and that means we'll have to keep taking photos with our 'antiquated' equipment. And I hope that we'll keep posting them here, too.
With all that being said, and with apologies for this lengthy post, one more thought.
Let's be more candid (self-criticism here, too). We should give a constructive critical response to photos that are posted here. If it is a snapshot of someone's pet or child and appears not to have universal appeal, let's say so -- and if possible give some thoughts on how it might be improved. One of the reasons that people post here, is that they are not sure if it is good photo or not. If not, let's respond directly to the poster, careful to use courtesy. That seems to be the best medicine to me. Even the most experienced here can post a dud.
Regards,
Paul
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can't find them, make them.
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MelissaM169251
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I looked at your galleries an wanted to tell you that you take beautiful pictures...Melissa
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MelissaM169251
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You must be some lonely person to feel this way...
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Cats are beautiful animals and make great pets. You must come from an abused background to not like animals, kids and all creatures.
You are cruel
We love are kids and want to show them to the world. You obviously don't have any and probably won't have any at the rate you are going
Alot of us like to see other parts of the world that we may not get to in our lifetime
You don't appreciate beauty
It appears that nothing excites you from this post.
You should sell your camera. I agree.
--To everyone that posts, eghaad !! photos taken with your camera !
should take pictures with it!!
- please stop it - just because you have a camera doesnt mean you
..please take the above post with a grain of salt, or a shot of 15
yearold single malt scotch
To me the forums are too much measurebating and not enough
photography.
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It's always best to read the whole post.....please take the above post with a grain of salt, or a shot of 15
yearold single malt scotch
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paulfrye wrote (amongst other things):
That would be then possibly stop the "gratuitous" posters. Not, "I think your hedgehog is adorable", but, "Maybe you shouldn't have cut off its nose". ;-)
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That would be then possibly stop the "gratuitous" posters. Not, "I think your hedgehog is adorable", but, "Maybe you shouldn't have cut off its nose". ;-)
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MelissaM169251
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Maybe Phil should consider this. It is a great idea. I am all for it and I think most people here would agree with that...Melissa
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ron gallegos
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whoa. i cked your gallery and i agree wholeheartedly really beautiful shots. for those who have not clicked on the link treat yourself to some very special shots.
iLuminatae
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MelissaM - you took my post the wrong way...as I said take these comments with a grain of salt or tongue in cheek as another analogy. I think I have posted everything that I listed and continue to do so. I want and appreciate it when others do the same - regardless of subject matter. We all learn frome these.
I guess what I was trying to say is - if some think we should ban cat, children or squirrel photos then why not ban all photos. I am sure some of the more artistic photographers here dont really see much in some of my landscape images or others that are posted and that is fine by me. To each his own.
If we did somehow convince people to stop posting images of their kids or cats the forum would then dissolve into a Canon vs Nikon forum as it was several months ago. Maybe this is what some want - I dont know. Everybody arguing and nobody going out and actually taking photos regardless of subject matter.
Most image posts end up in the technical realm when some of the more experienced members add their two cents in the discussion so I dont know why some feel we should pressure folks who want to show a pic of their cat or kid.
I think we all need a group hug...
Sorry that you took my post the wrong way - I meant no ill feelings.
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I guess what I was trying to say is - if some think we should ban cat, children or squirrel photos then why not ban all photos. I am sure some of the more artistic photographers here dont really see much in some of my landscape images or others that are posted and that is fine by me. To each his own.
If we did somehow convince people to stop posting images of their kids or cats the forum would then dissolve into a Canon vs Nikon forum as it was several months ago. Maybe this is what some want - I dont know. Everybody arguing and nobody going out and actually taking photos regardless of subject matter.
Most image posts end up in the technical realm when some of the more experienced members add their two cents in the discussion so I dont know why some feel we should pressure folks who want to show a pic of their cat or kid.
I think we all need a group hug...
Sorry that you took my post the wrong way - I meant no ill feelings.
Dave
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For me the subject of the picture is always more important than the picture. And more complicated. I do have a feeling for the print but I don’t always have a holy feeling for it. I really think what it is, is what it’s about. I mean it has to be of something. And what it’s of is always more remarkable than what it is. I mean it’s very subtle and a little embarrassing to me, but I really believe there are things which no body would see unless I photographed them.
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D1x Mark
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Is it me, or do a number of people come to this site just to b#@ch and complain about everything that is going on within this site? I came to this site a while back and have learned a lot of different tips and tricks that have improved my shooting ability and therefore appreciate photography more. I enjoy looking at everything from Yves' daughter, squirrels, Jonathan's great women of L.A. and everthing in between. It helps to break the monoteny of all of the other questions that may become annoying to some of us, but choose not to lash out because it just isn't worth creating battles. Take a look at this site and see how many people have started threads that just are looking for negative responses to feed the fire.
Give it a rest!!! Keep posting all of your pets and loved ones and moon shots and whatever gets your juices flowing and makes you happy or proud to show. That's one of the reasons I come to this site. The only draw back to coming here is hearing grumpy people trying to extend their hate and miserableness to everyone else. Sorry , just had to say that. Keep posting and enlightening those of us who actually come to this site for a multitude of reasons.
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Give it a rest!!! Keep posting all of your pets and loved ones and moon shots and whatever gets your juices flowing and makes you happy or proud to show. That's one of the reasons I come to this site. The only draw back to coming here is hearing grumpy people trying to extend their hate and miserableness to everyone else. Sorry , just had to say that. Keep posting and enlightening those of us who actually come to this site for a multitude of reasons.
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What a nice thing to say, Ron and Melissa. Thank you so very much. I'm always in awe of everything I see here, so you have made my day!
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The only draw back to coming here is hearing grumpy people
Just read the posting rules. Neither Jolly Rodger nor I made them.
What I hate is people like you who escalate everything out of proportion by innuendo and misdirection from the facts.
And if we followed the posting rules, ourselves we would have a better forum, simple! And we not criticising anyone and we are prohibiting posting of any subject except pretty girls in Bikinis and the like, and we certainly don’t hate the people that do.
Take another beer and go to bed, please.
........... boy are you severely over the mark.
Just read the posting rules. Neither Jolly Rodger nor I made them.
What I hate is people like you who escalate everything out of proportion by innuendo and misdirection from the facts.
And if we followed the posting rules, ourselves we would have a better forum, simple! And we not criticising anyone and we are prohibiting posting of any subject except pretty girls in Bikinis and the like, and we certainly don’t hate the people that do.
Take another beer and go to bed, please.
Atlanta-Mike
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I agree and didn't mean to imply that he was the target. But in my case, I learn from many of the photos posted here, not just Yves. Personally, I feel that this would be a pretty boring place if there were never any photos posted here. IMO, we have a good mix of post, except for the Canon stuff, of course.
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