Greg7579
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It has been a while since we have had a good monitor discussion. As Medium Format shooters, having a new, big 32 inch 4K IPS high color gamut latest-tech studio monitor is very important in terms of editing and enjoying our MF shots (in my opinion).
I am not a monitor expert, and know far less about the technology than many of the guys on the forum, but I do follow the market and always read about the latest in PC and Apple monitors that are 27 inches and bigger.
I just received my copy of the April Maximum PC last night. It is the Gamers and PC Builder's Bible. It has an amazing article this month that talks about the state of PC monitors in 2020. It is full of fascinating information that is very important to MF photographers who want to have the best information about what is available and why. With apologies to Max PC, I would like to jot down for you some bullets about what the article covered. The article is entitled "2020 Vision." It is about the state of PC screen tech in 2020.
Some of you guys need new monitors, and if you don't have at least a 32 inch 4K IPS professional (meaning not gaming) monitor, then you are not getting what you can out of enjoying your MF output (in my opinion). Here is what the article said:
- Screens today offer more innovation, wider choice and far better value than ever before. But, by some metrics (mainly DPI), PC displays are disappointing in 2020.
- The big innovations are mainly for gamers, like extremely high refresh rates and adaptive sync. Support for HDR is becoming more widespread too, but HDR progress has been slow, extremely confusing and disappointing.
- USB Type-C connectivity has made single-cable hookup easier and better than ever.
- Pixel density: It has not moved forward much at all in PC screen tech. Outright screen resolution has been stuck and rarely moves beyond 4K. Pixel density progress has been a huge disappointment. A decade ago, it seemed obvious that high-DPI displays would be the norm in PC screens by now but it has not happened. There has been little to no change from 10 years ago in terms of dpi.
- It is disappointing that LCD technology remains dominant. Five years ago, we all thought OLED would take over but it has not with PC screens. Except for some small laptop PCs, it is virtually non-existent.
- Example: Take the new HP Z38c - a 38 inch ultra-wide 4K 2K monitor at 3840x1600. Do the pixel density math - 109 PPI, which is worse than a bargain basement 20-inch 1080P monitor that can be had for 75 bucks. Compared to our phones, that pixel density is pathetic. Even cheap phones have over 300 dpi.
- But phone and PC screens are not at all comparable because of size and viewing distance. Apple's "Retina" display standard provides a useful metric. The idea behind it is the human eye's ability to resolve individual pixels, the point at which adding further pixels does nothing to improve sharpness and detail. You can achieve the "Retina" point by moving the screen further away or adding pixels. Apple puts that point at about 300 dpi for phones and 200 for desktop and laptop displays. Those distances and suggested DPI levels can be debated, but it is an instructive example. But the point is that the 109 DPI of many high-end 4K screens for the desktop is not even close. Very few PC screens offer any kind of high-DPI experience. Even a small 24 inch 4K display only gets you 184 DPI. The move to 5K with LG's 5K3K monitor, the ultrawide 34WK95u is a 34 inch display gets you 163 DPI. But LG's 27-inch 5K model finally gets you to 218 DPI.
- Apple's 6000 dollar 32 inch Pro Display XDR is 6K at 6018x3384 and gets you 218 DPI. Dell's new 32 inch 8K monitor (UP3218k - 7680x4320) gets you 275 DPI at 3,500 dollars.
- The best way to get high DPI is with laptops and tablets. Many have 4K at well over 200 DPI, but you will be editing images on a 13 or 15 inch screen.
- There is little prospect of things improving. LCD panels are made by only a very small number of companies (like LG and Samsung) and monitor makers can't do much if they are not making high DPI screens. For 2020 and 2021, there are no signs that high-DPI monitors will be brought into the mainstream as we all predicted just a few years ago.
- Bottom line - you have to have way more than 4K to get high-DPI on larger screens. 2010 and 2021 will not be the year for 5K, 6K or 8K. Nor will it be the years that OLED makes the jump from TV to PC screens.
- OLED? Zero availability for PC monitors, contrary to all predictions. OLED for Laptops? Yes. PCs? No. In fact, it is likely OLED will never be available for PC monitors. PCs will likely skip OLED and jump straight to microLED. OLED just has too many problems for PCs, burn-in and degradation being the biggest. MicroLED is brighter and more stable than OLED with far less burn-in and little degradation. It will be the standard some day, but right now it costs a fortune to produce.
- The big gains in monitor tech now is refresh rates and that is mostly just great for gamers. The article talked a lot about refresh rates and syncing those higher rates with the output (refresh rates of 240 and 360Hz, and the latest G-Sync & Free-Sync to sync it) and the monster GPU cards to drive it all, but I won't cover it here because it is not of serious interest to photographers who want a good and large 4K pro display. (360 sounds ridiculous for a refresh rate because few can see the improvement from 240, but tests have shown that top pro gamers gain a quick trigger-pull advantage at 360. 60 is fine for photographers.)
- Another area of monitor improvement in 2020 is pixel response. In 2019 we had IPS monitors for the first time with 1ms response time. But that was on very high-end displays. It will trickle down in 2020 to more main-stream displays.
So for MF photographers in 2020? (This is me - not the article.) The Pro 32 inch 4K IPS monitor is where it is at. We all need them. And the new ones will hook up to your PC with one little cable that provides everything - display signal, data and charging power. IPS is improving faster than TN. If you don't have one and have spent 15 grand on MF camera equipment, spend another grand and get one now!
I am not a monitor expert, and know far less about the technology than many of the guys on the forum, but I do follow the market and always read about the latest in PC and Apple monitors that are 27 inches and bigger.
I just received my copy of the April Maximum PC last night. It is the Gamers and PC Builder's Bible. It has an amazing article this month that talks about the state of PC monitors in 2020. It is full of fascinating information that is very important to MF photographers who want to have the best information about what is available and why. With apologies to Max PC, I would like to jot down for you some bullets about what the article covered. The article is entitled "2020 Vision." It is about the state of PC screen tech in 2020.
Some of you guys need new monitors, and if you don't have at least a 32 inch 4K IPS professional (meaning not gaming) monitor, then you are not getting what you can out of enjoying your MF output (in my opinion). Here is what the article said:
- Screens today offer more innovation, wider choice and far better value than ever before. But, by some metrics (mainly DPI), PC displays are disappointing in 2020.
- The big innovations are mainly for gamers, like extremely high refresh rates and adaptive sync. Support for HDR is becoming more widespread too, but HDR progress has been slow, extremely confusing and disappointing.
- USB Type-C connectivity has made single-cable hookup easier and better than ever.
- Pixel density: It has not moved forward much at all in PC screen tech. Outright screen resolution has been stuck and rarely moves beyond 4K. Pixel density progress has been a huge disappointment. A decade ago, it seemed obvious that high-DPI displays would be the norm in PC screens by now but it has not happened. There has been little to no change from 10 years ago in terms of dpi.
- It is disappointing that LCD technology remains dominant. Five years ago, we all thought OLED would take over but it has not with PC screens. Except for some small laptop PCs, it is virtually non-existent.
- Example: Take the new HP Z38c - a 38 inch ultra-wide 4K 2K monitor at 3840x1600. Do the pixel density math - 109 PPI, which is worse than a bargain basement 20-inch 1080P monitor that can be had for 75 bucks. Compared to our phones, that pixel density is pathetic. Even cheap phones have over 300 dpi.
- But phone and PC screens are not at all comparable because of size and viewing distance. Apple's "Retina" display standard provides a useful metric. The idea behind it is the human eye's ability to resolve individual pixels, the point at which adding further pixels does nothing to improve sharpness and detail. You can achieve the "Retina" point by moving the screen further away or adding pixels. Apple puts that point at about 300 dpi for phones and 200 for desktop and laptop displays. Those distances and suggested DPI levels can be debated, but it is an instructive example. But the point is that the 109 DPI of many high-end 4K screens for the desktop is not even close. Very few PC screens offer any kind of high-DPI experience. Even a small 24 inch 4K display only gets you 184 DPI. The move to 5K with LG's 5K3K monitor, the ultrawide 34WK95u is a 34 inch display gets you 163 DPI. But LG's 27-inch 5K model finally gets you to 218 DPI.
- Apple's 6000 dollar 32 inch Pro Display XDR is 6K at 6018x3384 and gets you 218 DPI. Dell's new 32 inch 8K monitor (UP3218k - 7680x4320) gets you 275 DPI at 3,500 dollars.
- The best way to get high DPI is with laptops and tablets. Many have 4K at well over 200 DPI, but you will be editing images on a 13 or 15 inch screen.
- There is little prospect of things improving. LCD panels are made by only a very small number of companies (like LG and Samsung) and monitor makers can't do much if they are not making high DPI screens. For 2020 and 2021, there are no signs that high-DPI monitors will be brought into the mainstream as we all predicted just a few years ago.
- Bottom line - you have to have way more than 4K to get high-DPI on larger screens. 2010 and 2021 will not be the year for 5K, 6K or 8K. Nor will it be the years that OLED makes the jump from TV to PC screens.
- OLED? Zero availability for PC monitors, contrary to all predictions. OLED for Laptops? Yes. PCs? No. In fact, it is likely OLED will never be available for PC monitors. PCs will likely skip OLED and jump straight to microLED. OLED just has too many problems for PCs, burn-in and degradation being the biggest. MicroLED is brighter and more stable than OLED with far less burn-in and little degradation. It will be the standard some day, but right now it costs a fortune to produce.
- The big gains in monitor tech now is refresh rates and that is mostly just great for gamers. The article talked a lot about refresh rates and syncing those higher rates with the output (refresh rates of 240 and 360Hz, and the latest G-Sync & Free-Sync to sync it) and the monster GPU cards to drive it all, but I won't cover it here because it is not of serious interest to photographers who want a good and large 4K pro display. (360 sounds ridiculous for a refresh rate because few can see the improvement from 240, but tests have shown that top pro gamers gain a quick trigger-pull advantage at 360. 60 is fine for photographers.)
- Another area of monitor improvement in 2020 is pixel response. In 2019 we had IPS monitors for the first time with 1ms response time. But that was on very high-end displays. It will trickle down in 2020 to more main-stream displays.
So for MF photographers in 2020? (This is me - not the article.) The Pro 32 inch 4K IPS monitor is where it is at. We all need them. And the new ones will hook up to your PC with one little cable that provides everything - display signal, data and charging power. IPS is improving faster than TN. If you don't have one and have spent 15 grand on MF camera equipment, spend another grand and get one now!

