Noise and ISO, One more thread

Perhaps each camera is different. With mine, images shot any higher than ISO 400 are going to be unacceptably noisy to me, and images shot at ISO 200 (my camera's lowest setting) have more clipped highlights than those shot at ISO 400, so my camera stays at ISO 400 all the time. In light too dim for handheld exposures at that ISO, I either mount a flash or put the camera away. Following this procedure, noise is never an issue, and I never have to think about ISO.
I'm sure they are.

But what was beaten into my head was that raising the ISO does NOT Raise the sensitivity of the sensor. What it does is increase the amplification of the photons that the sensor receives.
Nope. Photons are quanta, they can't be amplified. It's actually quite an important point, because in the main noise is determined by the number of photons captured. The voltage output of the sensor represents that number of photons. Amplifying it doesn't change the number of photons, it just changes the 'exchange rate'.

The whole identification of ISO with gain is bogus. Unfortunately, it's also a brainworm. Once people adopt the idea, it's really hard to get rid of it.
At this point I'll be happy to accept any technical explanation. But isn't what you say above, for all practical purposes the same thing?
To accept these premise, we need to assume that someone thought that inside the sensor, light was replicated and grew like a seed into more light, out of nowhere. How I came to understand the ISO, and how most will understand it based on how it's explained, is that it take less light but produce a similar amount of lightness in the final scene, with more noise or less cleanness than otherwise.
Definition of amplify

transitive verb

1 : to expand (something, such as a statement) by the use of detail or illustration or by closer analysis

2

a : to make larger or greater (as in amount, importance, or intensity) : increaseb : to increase the strength or amount of especially : to make louder
c : to cause (a gene or DNA sequence) to undergo amplification

intransitive verb

: to expand one's remarks or ideas

The intuitive sense is when we turn the volume up. It's obvious we are scaling, and that amplification doesn't increase the fidelity, we just make it louder, amplifying the noise and the signal with it. Anyone that cranked the volume way up will note this. And anyone with any basic understanding will know the amplifier doesn't make a bad recording sound better.

I think the most important miss-understanding, looking into detail is...does anything happen before the signal is amplified digitally? Not much, there is some gain that happens or kicks in in some cameras and increases the DR. Most of the work is done digitally, including adjusting the algorithms to render the scene in ways that do not show significant color casts when sample rate goes down (ie ISO goes up).

That's so far, a summary of my current understanding. And usually the choice is...do I want more noise in form of blur, or in form of low samples? Current cell phones get away with, in part, thanks to their meagre sensors, very fast readouts. So they get to do very quick reads (most without blur, but if one has a lot, they can discard that one) and thus in a sense, get something that performs much better than what the sensor would show for one exposure.

If you set a high ISO in M and bombard the sensor, recording RAW....nothing bad happens if the amount of light is already adquate for the sensor. If you use JPG, the lightness gets cooked into the file and everything is blown without much fix, as the detail is already lost.

Most of the confusion is about what the multiple settings in the camera do together. For example, I could have spot metering and aim into a bright source, which will overexpose everything except that spot, but also set ISO 25000, and record raw, and maybe it's just the same as a well exposed matrix photo with ISO 100. To understand why, instead of the mistery of ISO, one only needs to understand the concepts of metering, the Mode, ISO (the setting not the concept), and how sensor works.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.

Big difference.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.

Big difference.
99.9999% (or 99,9999% if not American) of cases the discussion arises as a discussion of what happens where.

In G.B. the only thing common to all photos is the average light intensity we see in the final recorded (or observed) photo. The all seem to have the same amount of light intensity or "lightness" in terms of Church of No Triangle credo.

The thing they have different is that 1, 2/3 and 4 have different photon intensity reaching the sensor. Since they are created from the same scene, illumination, camera, lens, and they all result in a recording that shows more or less the same average whiteness (or "lightness"), we then know....what do we know is different? DO we know what is different? How the heck are we supposed to know what is different? Well...

... we look at the ISO, and know photo 1 will have less noise, photos 2 and 3 will have 2 stops more noise, and photo 4 would have 4 stops more noise. Basically, we come back full circle to know what....we already knew. That the ISO 1600 one will be less clean and more noisy.

Which is what wanted to know. And in the general case where we leave metering to the camera, the ISO "Setting" is kind of a proxy for how much we deviated from the ideal amount of light that makes the sensor register the cleanest image. ISO 200 means 1/2 that, 400 1/4, 1600 1/16. In a sense, the ISO setting is telling how much we are ok deviating that % of ideal light intensity (assuming we metered correctly for out intended use of the photo).
 
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You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.

Big difference.
Three questions:
  1. What is the "light signal"?
  2. How is that signal being "amplified"?
  3. In what was does the "amplification" of the "light signal produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed" other than the lightness of the photo?
The answers to these questions are key in making the statements meaningful.
 
Perhaps each camera is different. With mine, images shot any higher than ISO 400 are going to be unacceptably noisy to me, and images shot at ISO 200 (my camera's lowest setting) have more clipped highlights than those shot at ISO 400, so my camera stays at ISO 400 all the time. In light too dim for handheld exposures at that ISO, I either mount a flash or put the camera away. Following this procedure, noise is never an issue, and I never have to think about ISO.
I'm sure they are.

But what was beaten into my head was that raising the ISO does NOT Raise the sensitivity of the sensor. What it does is increase the amplification of the photons that the sensor receives.
Nope. Photons are quanta, they can't be amplified. It's actually quite an important point, because in the main noise is determined by the number of photons captured. The voltage output of the sensor represents that number of photons. Amplifying it doesn't change the number of photons, it just changes the 'exchange rate'.

The whole identification of ISO with gain is bogus. Unfortunately, it's also a brainworm. Once people adopt the idea, it's really hard to get rid of it.
At this point I'll be happy to accept any technical explanation. But isn't what you say above, for all practical purposes the same thing?
It's not uncommon on these forums for someone to say something that seems reasonable on the surface, but is fundamentally wrong "under the hood".

My standard example would be "umbrellas cause rain". If you didn't know how the weather worked, this is actually a reasonable rule of thumb. When you see people walking around with umbrellas, it is either raining, or it is about to. For many common situations, this belief gives you reasonable guidance.

Under the hood, it is wrong, Umbrellas don't cause the rain, however they are correlated to the rain.

Some people say the rule is fine as it gives the right answer. The other perspective is that it only gives the right answer in common situations. The fact that the rule is fundamentally wrong can lead to bad decisions in unusual situations. If you believed the rule then you might try to combat a drought, by getting as many people as possible to carry umbrellas. That won't work.

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Thinking of ISO as "gain", or that ISO causes noise are also somewhat useful, but incorrect rules of thumb. They seem harmless as in many situations you get reasonable guidance, but in unusual situations, they will lead you to the wrong conclusions.

We tend to have people from both sides chime in. The people who have followed the rule, and haven't noticed any problems with it. And the people who have run into situations outside the domain where the rule gives useful guidance.

ISO essentially gives a context for mapping the number of photons captured to image lightness. When you turn up the ISO 2,500 detected photons don't become 25,000 photons. We're just giving a different meaning to what 2,500 photons represent.

Imagine a test at school. if you get 25 answers correct is that an A, B, C, D or F? The teach may apply a "curve" to the grade. 25 correct answers might be a "C", or might be an "A" depending on the curve. However, the curve is not "gain". it's merely a different context for evaluating the number of correct answers.

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I'm sorry for the long winded explanation, but the answer is that for many practical purposes, you can get by thinking of ISO as gain, However, if you run into unusual situations, you may find that there are significant differences between ISO and Gain.
 
That's a problem with the way the tools are designed rather than the operation itself. It's something you really want to do at the processing, rather than the post-processing stage, and some raw processors will do it automatically.
I'm sure I've said it before, but what I'd really like is an option for the camera to record a jpeg (if you shoot raw+jpeg ... or the imbedded preview) at the set (or calculated in Auto mode) ISO and the RAW file at base ISO with the intended ISO saved as a setting with a flag telling the software to "apply" that ISO.

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While this is not completely unreasonable, some cameras will actually add less noise to an image at higher ISO settings.

Thus in a low light situation you may very well get a little less noise shooting at ISO 3200, then at ISO 100 and lightening up 5 stops when you process the RAW file.

If you are not familiar with the specifics of your camera, the safe low-light move is to maximize exposure as much as feasible, then use the highest ISO that doesn't blow out important highlights.
 
Perhaps each camera is different. With mine, images shot any higher than ISO 400 are going to be unacceptably noisy to me, and images shot at ISO 200 (my camera's lowest setting) have more clipped highlights than those shot at ISO 400, so my camera stays at ISO 400 all the time. In light too dim for handheld exposures at that ISO, I either mount a flash or put the camera away. Following this procedure, noise is never an issue, and I never have to think about ISO.
I'm sure they are.

But what was beaten into my head was that raising the ISO does NOT Raise the sensitivity of the sensor. What it does is increase the amplification of the photons that the sensor receives.
That's not quite correct but you are on the right track.

Raising the ISO increases the amplification of the voltage the photons generate on each sensor pixel. Once the shutter closes, the number of photons doesn't change.

There are 2 sources of noise in an image:

1. Shot noise - noise inherent in the light coming from the scene.

2. Read noise -

a) Front End Read Noise - noise introduced by the camera itself; heat, camera electronics prior to the voltage being amplified.

b) Back End Read Noise - additional noise some cameras introduce when the voltage is converted to a digital value.

Shot noise is the result of low levels of light hitting the sensor.

Both the effects of shot noise and read noise are included in the pixel's final digital value.

Now, when you raise the ISO in camera only the shot noise and Front End Read Noise are amplified when the voltage is amplified. The Back End Read Noise, if any, is introduced after the voltage has been amplified and during its conversion to a digital value.

If you raise the "exposure" in a raw converter you are essentially just multiplying the final digital value for each pixel which will include Shot Noise, Front End Read Noise and any Back End Read Noise.

Unless you are fully aware of the camera's noise properties (whether it introduces back end read noise or not), to minimise noise in the final image you are better off raising the ISO in camera (assuming you cannot widen the aperture and/or slow the shutter because of DOF, motion blur constraints) than shooting with a lower ISO in camera and increasing the image lightness in post because raising the ISO results in only the Shot Noise and Front End read Noise being amplified. In PP, raising the "exposure" results in the Shot Noise, Front End Read Noise AND Back End Read Noise being amplified.
 
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Perhaps each camera is different.
Yes.
With mine, images shot any higher than ISO 400 are going to be unacceptably noisy to me,
I think you are including the presumption that they have the desired lightness.
and images shot at ISO 200 (my camera's lowest setting) have more clipped highlights than those shot at ISO 400,
What model of camera are you using and what is your source for saying that images at ISO 200 have mopre clipped highlights?
so my camera stays at ISO 400 all the time. In light too dim for handheld exposures at that ISO, I either mount a flash or put the camera away. Following this procedure, noise is never an issue, and I never have to think about ISO.
Following this procedure gives you a rather narrow shooting envelope.

Should I presume you rarely shoot indoor or nighttime sports, BIF, or wildlife under canopy?
 
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Ok, I am FINALLY convinced that increasing the gain of sensors by raising ISO is not the same as ISO in film. Iliah finally overcame my obtuseness. But I STILL recommend shooting in higher ISO's in dim light.

Why?

Because conducting an experiment to convince myself that I was wrong, I had a hell of a hard time in Adobe Raw making my ISO 100 image look decent. I had to lower the shadows, lower the color saturation, etc. Whereas the ISO 1600 image needed almost no adjustment. So, there IS an advantage in shooting at the higher ISO.
What you experienced is to be expected if the exposure was the same (ei.e. aperture and shutter settings were the same and the scene lighting didn't change) but the ISO settings were changed.

However, one would not expect to get better results shooting at a higher aperture and a correspondingly lower exposure.
 
Perhaps each camera is different. With mine, images shot any higher than ISO 400 are going to be unacceptably noisy to me, and images shot at ISO 200 (my camera's lowest setting) have more clipped highlights than those shot at ISO 400, so my camera stays at ISO 400 all the time. In light too dim for handheld exposures at that ISO, I either mount a flash or put the camera away. Following this procedure, noise is never an issue, and I never have to think about ISO.
I'm sure they are.

But what was beaten into my head was that raising the ISO does NOT Raise the sensitivity of the sensor.
that part is correct
What it does is increase the amplification of the photons that the sensor receives.
That part is incorrect. What gets amplified is the electrical signal from the sensor, not the photons.
 
What [raising ISO] does is increase the amplification of the photons that the sensor receives.
The root of the ISO fallacy is viewing photography as 'light in-light out'. Then, the thinking goes, to make a dark image 'brighter' you need 'more light', so the light needs to be 'amplified', hence 'gain'.
Nobody in their right mind thinks that.
Then how do you explain what Chato wrote? Are you suggesting Chato is not in his right mind?
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
I think we have evidence to the contrary right in this thread.
to your critics and then attacking them for it, which is very disingenuous.
It would be, if that was what he was doing, which he isn't.
 
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )
That article contains at least 15 errors before he gets to discussing Auto-ISO. I didn't bother counting after that point.

There were multiple references to amplifiying light or amplifying light signal. That is not what gets amplified, (if indeed anything gets amplified).
The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives.
No. The job of the ISO setting is to control how large a digital number is stored in the camera's JPEG output for a given number of photons captured by a sensor element.

Many cameras, but not all, do this by employing a larger amount of analog gain for a higher ISO setting. However, when this is done, the gain is applied to the electrical signal coming from the sensor, not to the light signal.
In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
No. opening the aperture reduces DOF and diffraction blur, while increasing aberration blur. Increasing ISO doesn't do this. Slowing the shutter speed increases motion blur. Increasing ISO doesn't do this.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true.
You are saying the author of the BS above is wrong. Yes, he is. The quote supports Bob's point, that is that the misconception does exist.
Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
I don't care for lightness, I care for exposure, DNs, and noise. I'm not a photographer, DoF and blur are not my headache.
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"?
You may want to re-read what I posted, "You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes".
In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.
He isn't saying what is light signal.
Big difference.
That's Houdini-level skills, right here.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true.
You are saying the author of the BS above is wrong. Yes, he is. The quote supports Bob's point, that is that the misconception does exist.
Apologies for not being more clear -- I wasn't responding to the contents of the link (didn't read it) -- I was responding to the comment "The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives". That's simply not true.
Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
I don't care for lightness, I care for exposure, DNs, and noise. I'm not a photographer, DoF and blur are not my headache.
All righty, then! :-D
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"?
You may want to re-read what I posted, "You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes".
In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.

Big difference.
Also a big difference between a "light signal": and an "electrical signal".

A signal can be sent through any of several different media. A light signal is a signal sent via light. The job of the sensor is to convert a light signal to an electrical signal. The light signal is nor amplified by the application of a higher ISO setting. The electrical signal may be amplified.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light signal"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.
Apologies -- that's what I meant -- typo. I fixed it above.
Big difference.
OK, so back to my questions. What are the answers?
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true.
You are saying the author of the BS above is wrong. Yes, he is. The quote supports Bob's point, that is that the misconception does exist.
Apologies for not being more clear -- I wasn't responding to the contents of the link (didn't read it) -- I was responding to the comment "The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives". That's simply not true.
Yes, and it's from the link, a quote. Verbatim.
Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
I don't care for lightness, I care for exposure, DNs, and noise. I'm not a photographer, DoF and blur are not my headache.
All righty, then! :-D
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light"?
You may want to re-read what I posted, "You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes".
In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
 
You are attributing a misconception that does not exist
You will need Houdini-level skills to explain the following differently from the misconception Bob describes (taken from https://www.colesclassroom.com/understanding-iso )

The job of ISO is merely to amplify the light signal that the camera receives. In the process, it can produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed.
Not even remotely true. Tell me, aside from lightness, what do the following photos have in common, and what is different, if photos are taken of the same scene with the same camera and lens:
  1. f/2.8 1/200 ISO 100
  2. f/5.6 1/200 ISO 400
  3. f/2.8 1/800 ISO 400
  4. f/5.6 1/800 ISO 1600
In what way is the ISO setting "amplifying the light signal"? In what way does it "produce a similar effect as opening the aperture or using a slow shutter speed"? Aside, of course, from resulting in photos with the same lightness.
It say's "amplifying the light signal", not "amplifying the light.
Apologies -- that's what I meant -- typo. I fixed it above.
Big difference.
OK, so back to my questions. What are the answers?
The actual question is how a reader interprets the phrase. My little experiment shows that it is interpreted as light amplification. Thus, Bob is right, and he didn't invent the misconception.
 
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Ok, I am FINALLY convinced that increasing the gain of sensors by raising ISO is not the same as ISO in film. Iliah finally overcame my obtuseness. But I STILL recommend shooting in higher ISO's in dim light.

Why?

Because conducting an experiment to convince myself that I was wrong, I had a hell of a hard time in Adobe Raw making my ISO 100 image look decent. I had to lower the shadows, lower the color saturation, etc. Whereas the ISO 1600 image needed almost no adjustment. So, there IS an advantage in shooting at the higher ISO.
There is an order of operations that is often lost.

In dim light, use what I call "Exposure priority (Exposure, then ISO)":
  • First, maximize your exposure. Use the longest shutter speed you can (that won't get you unacceptable motion blur) and the smallest f-number you can (that won't get you unacceptable focus blur).
  • Then, maximize your ISO. Use the highest ISO that you can without blowing highlights to whichever threshold you want. Sometimes, this raising of ISO helps. Other times, it is identical to not raising the ISO. So far, it doesn't hurt (except if you blow your highlights).
Actually, not just dim light. Do this any time light is limited. Auto ISO is awesome for this type of shooting.

But if light is "unlimited" (for example, shooting a daytime landscape from a tripod, where you can use any shutter speed you want), then do the opposite. Do "ISO priority."
  • Use the lowest native ISO, usually 100.
  • Then, maximize your exposure without blowing highlights.
Of course, there are complexities to this--for example, the heat that builds up from longer shutter speeds, which trades reducing shot noise for increasing electronic noise, but the results are almost always better this way.

And now that I've posted this, I am unsubscribing from this thread, because I know how these threads go. :)
 
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