A7 II maybe old but still can generate excellent IQ. Its DR and sharpness at base ISO are still better than APS-C cameras.
Eh it depends.

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D7200 is pretty strong in DR and IIRC has no AA filter... sometimes it outresolves the D750 with the same lenses, which is generally unheard of.

I enjoyed and got lots of great photos from my A7II when I had it, but it's hardly the last word in image quality. You give Canon a lot of grief over its sensors and IQ but is the A7II sensor really that much better than the "awful" RP's? The only advantage it has is low ISO DR... RP sensor matches it on every other metric and has a much nicer noise grain at high ISOs. I'd argue AF is better too (wider coverage, millions more points). And whatever price advantage it has on the body goes out the window once you start buying glass.

I think the A7II is good if you mainly shoot still subjects and are OK to adapt cheap/MF glass... but I wouldn't spend more than the cost of a used A7II on any individual lens for it. Operationally it's a real downgrade from similarly priced APS-C bodies and the IQ boost is marginal. Main ace in the hole is how it adapts lenses and IBIS but outside of that meh.
Why would you compare IQ between an old Sony camera and new Canon camera? If you compare A7III with RP, than A7III's IQ would be better by any metric, not just DR. It would have less noise at high ISO, too.
 
A7 II maybe old but still can generate excellent IQ. Its DR and sharpness at base ISO are still better than APS-C cameras.
Eh it depends.

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D7200 is pretty strong in DR and IIRC has no AA filter... sometimes it outresolves the D750 with the same lenses, which is generally unheard of.
DXO DR test doesn't reflect real-world DR. These days, Bill C. PTR is widely accepted more meaningful and more accurate to reflect in real-word DR.

I see A7 II DR is only better overall especially when ISO increases. Bear in mind that DR is not the only factor in overall IQ but also SNR, lens resolution on sensor...

http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D7200,Sony%20ILCE-7M2
I enjoyed and got lots of great photos from my A7II when I had it, but it's hardly the last word in image quality.
Still better than APS-C overall even not less in high ISO. DPR article only said it didn't exceed (obviously) over modern APS-C that usually is granted if sensor technology is in the same gen.

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6544832324/albums/a7iivsd500-x-pro2

Check my above gallery that comes from IR studio samples without any processing, default OOC RAW, default in Lr that everyone can independently duplicated. You can see A7 II high ISO is not less than APS-C if details also included that you cannot separate details from noises. Then bear in mind that well know Fuji x-trans high ISO cheat and details smearing.
You give Canon a lot of grief over its sensors and IQ but is the A7II sensor really that much better than the "awful" RP's? The only advantage it has is low ISO DR..
Yes that base ISO DR is critical that I use mostly in landscape type. For example I took virtually all evening photos on tripod at base ISO 100. RP after pushing beyond 2 stops look like opening a Pandora box ;-)
. RP sensor matches it on every other metric and has a much nicer noise grain at high ISOs.
I personally care less about high ISO that's why you don't see I ever posted many high ISO photos and not talking too much of it. To me which one has 'better' high ISO is just like which one is less evil, but still evil, lol.
I'd argue AF is better too (wider coverage, millions more points). And whatever price advantage it has on the body goes out the window once you start buying glass.
Not significant. How many RF lenses? They are very expensive. You have so many choices of cheaper native FE lenses from third party and Sony.
I think the A7II is good if you mainly shoot still subjects and are OK to adapt cheap/MF glass..
Many good cheap AF lenses as well such as from Samyang/Rokinon series that seems getting better and better.
. but I wouldn't spend more than the cost of a used A7II on any individual lens for it. Operationally it's a real downgrade from similarly priced APS-C bodies and the IQ boost is marginal. Main ace in the hole is how it adapts lenses and IBIS but outside of that meh.
I'd say choose a system is more important than a specific model. Once you locked in a system or brand with less potential growth the long term impact is much more severe. Sony FE system is most dynamic, most momentum these days and going forward in foreseen future.

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Why would you compare IQ between an old Sony camera and new Canon camera? If you compare A7III with RP, than A7III's IQ would be better by any metric, not just DR. It would have less noise at high ISO, too.
Why are you asking me? PWPhotography was the one who compared the A7II to APS-C cameras. I just provided data to further discuss his point. And for $700 more I would hope the A7III would have better IQ than the RP....
 
A7 II maybe old but still can generate excellent IQ. Its DR and sharpness at base ISO are still better than APS-C cameras.
Eh it depends.

b547f388d1c8497e8e62cbc2d3d1c31f.jpg.png

D7200 is pretty strong in DR and IIRC has no AA filter... sometimes it outresolves the D750 with the same lenses, which is generally unheard of.
DXO DR test doesn't reflect real-world DR. These days, Bill C. PTR is widely accepted more meaningful and more accurate to reflect in real-word DR.

I see A7 II DR is only better overall especially when ISO increases. Bear in mind that DR is not the only factor in overall IQ but also SNR, lens resolution on sensor...

http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D7200,Sony%20ILCE-7M2
I enjoyed and got lots of great photos from my A7II when I had it, but it's hardly the last word in image quality.
Still better than APS-C overall even not less in high ISO. DPR article only said it didn't exceed (obviously) over modern APS-C that usually is granted if sensor technology is in the same gen.

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6544832324/albums/a7iivsd500-x-pro2

Check my above gallery that comes from IR studio samples without any processing, default OOC RAW, default in Lr that everyone can independently duplicated. You can see A7 II high ISO is not less than APS-C if details also included that you cannot separate details from noises. Then bear in mind that well know Fuji x-trans high ISO cheat and details smearing.
You give Canon a lot of grief over its sensors and IQ but is the A7II sensor really that much better than the "awful" RP's? The only advantage it has is low ISO DR..
Yes that base ISO DR is critical that I use mostly in landscape type. For example I took virtually all evening photos on tripod at base ISO 100. RP after pushing beyond 2 stops look like opening a Pandora box ;-)
. RP sensor matches it on every other metric and has a much nicer noise grain at high ISOs.
I personally care less about high ISO that's why you don't see I ever posted many high ISO photos and not talking too much of it. To me which one has 'better' high ISO is just like which one is less evil, but still evil, lol.
I'd argue AF is better too (wider coverage, millions more points). And whatever price advantage it has on the body goes out the window once you start buying glass.
Not significant. How many RF lenses? They are very expensive. You have so many choices of cheaper native FE lenses from third party and Sony.
I think the A7II is good if you mainly shoot still subjects and are OK to adapt cheap/MF glass..
Many good cheap AF lenses as well such as from Samyang/Rokinon series that seems getting better and better.
. but I wouldn't spend more than the cost of a used A7II on any individual lens for it. Operationally it's a real downgrade from similarly priced APS-C bodies and the IQ boost is marginal. Main ace in the hole is how it adapts lenses and IBIS but outside of that meh.
I'd say choose a system is more important than a specific model. Once you locked in a system or brand with less potential growth the long term impact is much more severe. Sony FE system is most dynamic, most momentum these days and going forward in foreseen future.
A7II has the same sensor as original A7. Is not very good, neither with DR, nor with noise at high ISO. Also, AF for A7II isn't the best in the world.

Sony started to do really good cameras starting from A7III - a6300 era. While I like them very much, and I would love an A7III, I can't justify the expenses. Lenses have pretty steep prices, apart from a few.
 
DXO DR test doesn't reflect real-world DR. These days, Bill C. PTR is widely accepted more meaningful and more accurate to reflect in real-word DR.

I see A7 II DR is only better overall especially when ISO increases. Bear in mind that DR is not the only factor in overall IQ but also SNR, lens resolution on sensor...

http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D7200,Sony%20ILCE-7M2
"A7II has better base ISO DR than APS-C cameras"

*presents evidence to the contrary*

"Your data doesn't count, here, A7II has better high ISO DR than APS-C cameras"

LOL
I enjoyed and got lots of great photos from my A7II when I had it, but it's hardly the last word in image quality.
Still better than APS-C overall even not less in high ISO. DPR article only said it didn't exceed (obviously) over modern APS-C that usually is granted if sensor technology is in the same gen.

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6544832324/albums/a7iivsd500-x-pro2

Check my above gallery that comes from IR studio samples without any processing, default OOC RAW, default in Lr that everyone can independently duplicated. You can see A7 II high ISO is not less than APS-C if details also included that you cannot separate details from noises. Then bear in mind that well know Fuji x-trans high ISO cheat and details smearing.
Not sure how Fuji cheats but they basically match A7II on DR from ISO200 and up.
You give Canon a lot of grief over its sensors and IQ but is the A7II sensor really that much better than the "awful" RP's? The only advantage it has is low ISO DR..
Yes that base ISO DR is critical that I use mostly in landscape type. For example I took virtually all evening photos on tripod at base ISO 100. RP after pushing beyond 2 stops look like opening a Pandora box ;-)
If you're shooting landscapes on a tripod you can probably bracket too.
. RP sensor matches it on every other metric and has a much nicer noise grain at high ISOs.
I personally care less about high ISO that's why you do see I ever posted many high ISO photos and not talking too much of it. To me which one has 'better' high ISO is just like which one is less evil, but still evil, lol.
So because you don't care about high ISO nobody else should? Interesting.
I'd argue AF is better too (wider coverage, millions more points). And whatever price advantage it has on the body goes out the window once you start buying glass.
Not significant. How many RF lenses? They are very expensive. You have so many choices of cheaper native FE lenses from third party and Sony.
You can adapt EF glass with full functionality. Good luck trying that with Sony
I think the A7II is good if you mainly shoot still subjects and are OK to adapt cheap/MF glass..
Many good cheap AF lenses as well such as from Samyang/Rokinon series that seems getting better and better.
See above.
. but I wouldn't spend more than the cost of a used A7II on any individual lens for it. Operationally it's a real downgrade from similarly priced APS-C bodies and the IQ boost is marginal. Main ace in the hole is how it adapts lenses and IBIS but outside of that meh.
I'd say choose a system is more important than a specific model. Once you locked in a system or brand with less potential growth the long term impact is much more severe. Sony FE system is most dynamic, most momentum these days and going forward in foreseen future.
If the system is able to serve your needs with what's available today, what does growth matter? And do you really think Canon RF isn't going to grow? LOL

I have the A7RII... I plan to get the A7III later this year. Between those two, until the A9 & A7R3 get dirt cheap, I'll probably never need another camera. Not everyone takes pictures to validate and justify their gear... for people who take pictures to take pictures, APS-C is fine.

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DXO DR test doesn't reflect real-world DR. These days, Bill C. PTR is widely accepted more meaningful and more accurate to reflect in real-word DR.

I see A7 II DR is only better overall especially when ISO increases. Bear in mind that DR is not the only factor in overall IQ but also SNR, lens resolution on sensor...

http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Nikon%20D7200,Sony%20ILCE-7M2
"A7II has better base ISO DR than APS-C cameras"

*presents evidence to the contrary*

"Your data doesn't count, here, A7II has better high ISO DR than APS-C cameras"
Not my data but from Bill Claff who we all should thank for. Do you have a difficulty to read?

A7 II - ISO 100, 11.16

D7200 - ISO I00, 11.06
What you are so funny about? You immaturely laugh too earlier ;-)
I enjoyed and got lots of great photos from my A7II when I had it, but it's hardly the last word in image quality.
Still better than APS-C overall even not less in high ISO. DPR article only said it didn't exceed (obviously) over modern APS-C that usually is granted if sensor technology is in the same gen.

https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/6544832324/albums/a7iivsd500-x-pro2

Check my above gallery that comes from IR studio samples without any processing, default OOC RAW, default in Lr that everyone can independently duplicated. You can see A7 II high ISO is not less than APS-C if details also included that you cannot separate details from noises. Then bear in mind that well know Fuji x-trans high ISO cheat and details smearing.
Not sure how Fuji cheats
Google Fuji high ISO cheat and you will find many info ;-)
but they basically match A7II on DR from ISO200 and up.
Basically that X-T2 even worse at fake base ISO 100. Well it's natively base at ISO 200 that is another Fuji tactic to gain fake high ISO 'cleanness' but sacrificing base ISO that is critical in landscape photos, No, No, No.

http://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#FujiFilm%20X-T2,Sony%20ILCE-7M2
You give Canon a lot of grief over its sensors and IQ but is the A7II sensor really that much better than the "awful" RP's? The only advantage it has is low ISO DR..
Yes that base ISO DR is critical that I use mostly in landscape type. For example I took virtually all evening photos on tripod at base ISO 100. RP after pushing beyond 2 stops look like opening a Pandora box ;-)
If you're shooting landscapes on a tripod you can probably bracket too.
Not really, that is Canon fan boi claiming for years. With Sony sensors I no longer take bracket that not only inconvenience but with surreal fake look. These day I shoot single image and process with much better natural HDR look as reflected in many photos I have posted.
. RP sensor matches it on every other metric and has a much nicer noise grain at high ISOs.
I personally care less about high ISO that's why you do see I ever posted many high ISO photos and not talking too much of it. To me which one has 'better' high ISO is just like which one is less evil, but still evil, lol.
So because you don't care about high ISO nobody else should? Interesting.
Is Canon significantly better, guess not. As I said just lesser evil but still evil. Yes those noisy and less detailed high ISO photos are not interest to me. Then bear in mind that A7 II has IBIS that at least gains 2-stop ISO than RP with prime lenses without IBIS, whoops, such as my favorite Canon 17L TS-E for architecture indoor hand-held.
I'd argue AF is better too (wider coverage, millions more points). And whatever price advantage it has on the body goes out the window once you start buying glass.
Not significant. How many RF lenses? They are very expensive. You have so many choices of cheaper native FE lenses from third party and Sony.
You can adapt EF glass with full functionality. Good luck trying that with Sony
Don't believe that hype as AF-C tracking is terrible. Yes I have good luck with many adapted Canon L lenses in last several years on Sony bodies, check my photos.
I think the A7II is good if you mainly shoot still subjects and are OK to adapt cheap/MF glass..
Many good cheap AF lenses as well such as from Samyang/Rokinon series that seems getting better and better.
See above.
See my above.
. but I wouldn't spend more than the cost of a used A7II on any individual lens for it. Operationally it's a real downgrade from similarly priced APS-C bodies and the IQ boost is marginal. Main ace in the hole is how it adapts lenses and IBIS but outside of that meh.
I'd say choose a system is more important than a specific model. Once you locked in a system or brand with less potential growth the long term impact is much more severe. Sony FE system is most dynamic, most momentum these days and going forward in foreseen future.
If the system is able to serve your needs with what's available today, what does growth matter? And do you really think Canon RF isn't going to grow? LOL
How many native RF lenses compared to native FE lenses? I will not surprise RF may be dead after a few years. Canon EF success may not transfer to its RF, different time, different competitors, different technology.
I have the A7RII... I plan to get the A7III later this year. Between those two, until the A9 & A7R3 get dirt cheap, I'll probably never need another camera. Not everyone takes pictures to validate and justify their gear... for people who take pictures to take pictures, APS-C is fine.
Wondering why you don't sell your Sony and switch to Canon seems you dislike Sony and really prefer Canon or Fuji APS-C? Strange.

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I have no beef with Sony, just fanboys. There are PWPhotographies in every brand, so changing brands won't enable me to avoid people like you in discussions about gear. There are always people who need constant validation and reassurance about their purchases. However, while you may think about DPR offline and while you shoot, I don't... and that's really what matters.
 
I have no beef with Sony, just fanboys.
I am not but have substances such as quoted critical reviews and most importantly photos. That makes me very different from real fanboys.
There are PWPhotographies in every brand, so changing brands won't enable me to avoid people like you in discussions about gear.
Well from I and other see, you're one of 'confused' owners. If you don't like Sony, you have so many other choices, rather keep bashing a brand (such as ergonomic that we have heard enough) you are using but promoting other brands in this Sony FE forum, weird. So buy Canon and be happy there, right?
There are always people who need constant validation and reassurance about their purchases. However, while you may think about DPR offline and while you shoot, I don't... and that's really what matters.
I have posted many photos to backup my claims such as why DR is very important, more than high ISO to me. Please elaborate what I said above is technically inaccurate? Do you doubt Bill Claff's data for example? Then there is DPR latitude exposure studio test that backup Bill C. data.

BTW, appear you have a fan (not really as both of us know who is) that gave you and himself multiple thumb-up ;-)

If you ever doubt I can enjoy Canon EF lenses on Sony bodies, check my Flickr, tone of them as I always post full EXIF, such as

Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano.  Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano. Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II

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Slow AF is a BIG problem when shooting kids, he's going to miss a lot of shots, trust me it's better to have the shots in focus on the kids, even in APS-C then out of focus with a full frame, and with a sharp background!
I don't disagree.
That's the crux of the matter. He's mostly shooting under 7 yo kids, which is no easy task, and certainly not something that inexpensive DSLR can achieve, which is why I recommended him the camera with the second best AF available, the a6400.
He might just love the APS-C and keep using it for a very long time, at least until he finds a FF with the same AF abilities as the a6400, which so far only the a9 can beat.
I think the obsession with "upgrading" is counterproductive. He should establish a budget and figure out what system works for it and his needs. It may not even be Sony E. Dollars go very far in the DSLR world, and frankly the weight/size differences are not that massive, especially when you factor ergonomics in. Outside of IBIS, which admittedly can be huge depending on what one shoots, and live view performance, which again can be a game changer/deal breaker (def is for me), I don't see a huge advantage in getting an A7II over something like a D750 or 6D2, especially when you factor lenses in.
That's the thing, he doesn't need to upgrade, but if one day he wants, he can, it's just a bonus. I think the a6400 will satisfy all his needs for a very long time. I don't recommend the a7ii nor those DSLR, because of the kids issue, that I mentioned above and that was mentioned in the OP's first sentence.
 
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Slow AF is a BIG problem when shooting kids, he's going to miss a lot of shots, trust me it's better to have the shots in focus on the kids, even in APS-C then out of focus with a full frame, and with a sharp background!
I don't disagree.
That's the crux of the matter. He's mostly shooting under 7 yo kids, which is no easy task, and certainly not something that inexpensive DSLR can achieve, which is why I recommended him the camera with the second best AF available, the a6400.
You don't need an a6400 though. I've taken photos of little kids with a Canon M50 and it's autofocus was up to the task. Sony's newer AF systems (a6300 on up, 3rd gen FE), and anything with dual pixel autofocus work in my experience.
 
I have no beef with Sony, just fanboys.
I am not but have substances such as quoted critical reviews and most importantly photos. That makes me very different from real fanboys.
Fanboys cite evidence to fake an air of objectivity. Problem is you are selective in how you interpret said evidence (i.e. DxO doesn't support your view so it doesn't count).
There are PWPhotographies in every brand, so changing brands won't enable me to avoid people like you in discussions about gear.
Well from I and other see, you're one of 'confused' owners. If you don't like Sony, you have so many other choices, rather keep bashing a brand (such as ergonomic that we have heard enough) you are using but promoting other brands in this Sony FE forum, weird. So buy Canon and be happy there, right?
Again I have no problem with Sony; if I did I would have left the system long ago. I just try to provide objective answers to people's questions. You and other fanboys want to lead people astray or provide biased information to validate your fanboyism- a shameful thing to do to people looking for advice on how to spend thousands of dollars.


BTW, appear you have a fan (not really as both of us know who is) that gave you and himself multiple thumb-up ;-)
This really speaks to your insecure state of mind. The mere idea of liking my own posts here is ridiculous, and in any case I cannot like my own posts several times over.
If you ever doubt I can enjoy Canon EF lenses on Sony bodies, check my Flickr, tone of them as I always post full EXIF, such as
I never said you couldn't; I myself shoot Canon glass on Sony bodies; in fact when I bought my A7II all I started with was Canon glass. Not sure what this has to do with anything.

Anyway I think I've fed into your insecurities and have dragged this thread far enough off topic.
Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano. Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano. Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II


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Slow AF is a BIG problem when shooting kids, he's going to miss a lot of shots, trust me it's better to have the shots in focus on the kids, even in APS-C then out of focus with a full frame, and with a sharp background!
I don't disagree.
That's the crux of the matter. He's mostly shooting under 7 yo kids, which is no easy task, and certainly not something that inexpensive DSLR can achieve, which is why I recommended him the camera with the second best AF available, the a6400.
You don't need an a6400 though. I've taken photos of little kids with a Canon M50 and it's autofocus was up to the task. Sony's newer AF systems (a6300 on up, 3rd gen FE), and anything with dual pixel autofocus work in my experience.
Hell, the A6000 has really good AF. I would stick to the A6500 for IBIS though.
 
I have no beef with Sony, just fanboys.
I am not but have substances such as quoted critical reviews and most importantly photos. That makes me very different from real fanboys.
Fanboys cite evidence to fake an air of objectivity. Problem is you are selective in how you interpret said evidence (i.e. DxO doesn't support your view so it doesn't count).
Such fanboyism by quoting Bill Claff's PDR data? ;-) PDR is more meaningful than DXO DR that also doesn't show APS-C is better. Where is DXO data for Fuji X-trans? ;-) that DXO doesn't even bother to test.

Then please check FF vs APS-C DXO sharpness test if you so believe so ;-) Not even close. An inferior lens on FF still beats in sharpness than a superior lens on APS-C very clearly in DXO lens+ sensor tests that you should believe.
There are PWPhotographies in every brand, so changing brands won't enable me to avoid people like you in discussions about gear.
Well from I and other see, you're one of 'confused' owners. If you don't like Sony, you have so many other choices, rather keep bashing a brand (such as ergonomic that we have heard enough) you are using but promoting other brands in this Sony FE forum, weird. So buy Canon and be happy there, right?
Again I have no problem with Sony; if I did I would have left the system long ago. I just try to provide objective answers to people's questions. You and other fanboys want to lead people astray or provide biased information to validate your fanboyism- a shameful thing to do to people looking for advice on how to spend thousands of dollars.
You don't tell truth. We all have heard you have so many complaints of Sony in this or that such as ergonomics that is subjective BTW. As I have no issues in Sony handling and button/menu layout but personally dislike so many wheels on Fuji bodies for example. I tried and dislike as it slows down operation significantly.
BTW, appear you have a fan (not really as both of us know who is) that gave you and himself multiple thumb-up ;-)
This really speaks to your insecure state of mind. The mere idea of liking my own posts here is ridiculous, and in any case I cannot like my own posts several times over.
I am insecure or actually otherwise around? I have so many photos and certainly anyone can see I enjoy my Sony gear enormously.
If you ever doubt I can enjoy Canon EF lenses on Sony bodies, check my Flickr, tone of them as I always post full EXIF, such as
I never said you couldn't; I myself shoot Canon glass on Sony bodies; in fact when I bought my A7II all I started with was Canon glass. Not sure what this has to do with anything.
You said good luck of Canon lenses on Sony bodies, check what you said ;-) Yes obviously I have lots of lucks, right?
Anyway I think I've fed into your insecurities and have dragged this thread far enough off topic.
Applied to yourself, I am very secured and confident. I have lots more convincing photos than you :-D that only matters. I can backup what I said, always.
Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano. Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon EF 16-35L/4.0 IS pano. Top left is a piece of big protection glass wall there

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon 17L TS-E

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II

Canon EF 24-70L/2.8 II
Add,

EF 70-200L/4.0 IS

EF 70-200L/4.0 IS

Plus a whole set of Canon EF 100-400L IS II on A7r II via MC-11 in a zoo (bottom half of album).

Canon EF 100-400L IS II

Canon EF 100-400L IS II



Canon EF 35/2.0 IS

Canon EF 35/2.0 IS



Check my old gear previously owned and still own (have tons of photos from each gear I have owned), guess I have owned more Canon gear than you ever have. Don't understand why you have bad luck with Canon lenses on your Sony bodies?

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You misunderstood or didn't read my post. I said the AF is good enough for basic needs. Period.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/95630920@N02/
Some good photos in your Flickr profile. A7 ii may be good enough but I think for moving subjects such as kids or animals, A6400 is a better buy than A7 ii. The user will be much more successful in capturing moments leading to much more interesting photos. It also potentially has better video output than A7 ii (4k, picture profiles, etc.).
I second this. The OP is shooting kids and family events, those scenarios are challenging and in fact, most cameras are inadequate. My worry is that he would get a FF camera that is able to produce better images than the a6400, but in practice he would miss so many shots that he will have to increase the DOF (therefore getting uglier shots) or ask people to stand still (boring photos) or even worse, stop shooting at all. The a9 and a6400 (and to some degree the a7iii) are currently the only cameras able to track moving subjects and still keep focus on the eye if visible, otherwise the face... Out of those, he can only afford the a6400 it seems, hence my suggestion. If he had more money, I would recommend the a7iii and I'm sure everyone here would agree and stop arguing, lol.
 
You misunderstood or didn't read my post. I said the AF is good enough for basic needs. Period.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/95630920@N02/
Some good photos in your Flickr profile. A7 ii may be good enough but I think for moving subjects such as kids or animals, A6400 is a better buy than A7 ii. The user will be much more successful in capturing moments leading to much more interesting photos. It also potentially has better video output than A7 ii (4k, picture profiles, etc.).
I second this. The OP is shooting kids and family events, those scenarios are challenging and in fact, most cameras are inadequate. My worry is that he would get a FF camera that is able to produce better images than the a6400, but in practice he would miss so many shots that he will have to increase the DOF (therefore getting uglier shots) or ask people to stand still (boring photos) or even worse, stop shooting at all. The a9 and a6400 (and to some degree the a7iii) are currently the only cameras able to track moving subjects and still keep focus on the eye if visible, otherwise the face... Out of those, he can only afford the a6400 it seems, hence my suggestion. If he had more money, I would recommend the a7iii and I'm sure everyone here would agree and stop arguing, lol.
Well, if he needs top AF and IQ and he doesn't afford A7III + fast lenses, maybe he should look at DSLRs?

Small, good, cheap, you can pick just 2 of 3 I am afraid.
 
Yea I did not get the sense of urgency about smaller size being a priority

For me the real advantage to MILCs isn't really size; it's the live view + flip out screen

If the OP can live with only shooting from the VF and isn't looking to shoot the thinnest DoF possible (to not have to deal with parallax issues) a DSLR is a really good choice.
 
I like my A7II. I shoot a lot of macros though, so I use my A6500 with the 90mm FE lens. That being said, I like the DOF control that full frame brings (in conjunction with wide aperture lenses).

Here's the thing though. Don't underestimate the utility of a camera like the RX10IV. It's a heck of a camera.
 
Yea I did not get the sense of urgency about smaller size being a priority

For me the real advantage to MILCs isn't really size; it's the live view + flip out screen

If the OP can live with only shooting from the VF and isn't looking to shoot the thinnest DoF possible (to not have to deal with parallax issues) a DSLR is a really good choice.
I'd rather have a bigger sized camera to accomodate bigger lenses.

What I like in mirrorless is high speed FPS and the fact that the AF is spot on, no front focus or back focus issues. Also, having zebras and histogram in viefinder can be nice. And the focus point spread. And the eye AF. :)
 
Yea I did not get the sense of urgency about smaller size being a priority

For me the real advantage to MILCs isn't really size; it's the live view + flip out screen

If the OP can live with only shooting from the VF and isn't looking to shoot the thinnest DoF possible (to not have to deal with parallax issues) a DSLR is a really good choice.
I'd rather have a bigger sized camera to accomodate bigger lenses.

What I like in mirrorless is high speed FPS and the fact that the AF is spot on, no front focus or back focus issues. Also, having zebras and histogram in viefinder can be nice. And the focus point spread. And the eye AF. :)
Well of those features A7/A7II only really have the sensor plane AF accuracy and zebras/histogram. Still very useful along with the general live view performance and screen but off the mark from even the old A6000. Man, if the A7 had come out with the A6000's AF off the bat... it's crazy that it took 3 generations for them to get close.
 
You misunderstood or didn't read my post. I said the AF is good enough for basic needs. Period.

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Some good photos in your Flickr profile. A7 ii may be good enough but I think for moving subjects such as kids or animals, A6400 is a better buy than A7 ii. The user will be much more successful in capturing moments leading to much more interesting photos. It also potentially has better video output than A7 ii (4k, picture profiles, etc.).
I second this. The OP is shooting kids and family events, those scenarios are challenging and in fact, most cameras are inadequate. My worry is that he would get a FF camera that is able to produce better images than the a6400, but in practice he would miss so many shots that he will have to increase the DOF (therefore getting uglier shots) or ask people to stand still (boring photos) or even worse, stop shooting at all. The a9 and a6400 (and to some degree the a7iii) are currently the only cameras able to track moving subjects and still keep focus on the eye if visible, otherwise the face... Out of those, he can only afford the a6400 it seems, hence my suggestion. If he had more money, I would recommend the a7iii and I'm sure everyone here would agree and stop arguing, lol.
You don't need EyeAF to have a sharp subject, particularly not with the DOF of crop sensor cameras Hell even with my FF I usually stop down for more DOF unless ISO is getting out of hand. I'm not a fan of razor thin DOF; I want to see her eyes in sharp focus, but also her hair, ears, etc. Canon's DPAF is perfectly capable of keeping up with kids and tracking them. Any camera that can blanket the sensor with phase detection points and move the lens quickly should be able to keep up. I've had success tracking my kids with an a6500, M50, a7 III, D500, and 80D in live view. I had issues with a G16, SL1, T6s, 6D, 80D viewfinder, AX100 (photo mode) and FZ1000.
 

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