EOS-R w/24-105 or A7lll w/24-105

With IBIS, better battery life and better sensor, I'd go with Sony.
The differences in DR will depend on how you shoot, but they're there.
The RF24105/4 and the EF1635/4 have IS. I can't really tell a difference in battey life between my former a7M3 and the EOS-R (and I take a spare with always with me, anyway). The difference in DR has not yet materialized for me in practice. The EVF of the EOS-R alone is a strong argument in its favour. 30MP is plenty and not much less than the 36 the A7R3 offers (at a higehr price). The a7R3 "appears" to be smaller - unless you put a decent (and pricey) lens on it.
But the IBIS works with any lens. So you can use manual prime lenses for landscape.
The only time I miss IBIS is with tele lenses. MF magnified is difficult. IBIS was turned "off" on my a7M3 (and is turned "off on my a6500) unless it is needed. When I want to do landscape in low light, I tale a tripod to allow much longer exposure time than IBIS would.
The A7rIII has 42mp and not 36.
Correct, my bad.
And the DR difference is there. Some may use it more than others.
It is there on paper at base ISO. It does matter more to some than to others. It is used as a strong point for the a7xx and I must admit I was a bit concerned when making the switch from FF Sony to FF Canon. So far, I am positvely surprised.
I never turn IBIS off and I've never noticed any problem with it. It's a great extra to have. Specially when you don't have space to take a tripod or you simply decide to do a longer exposure on a darker place without raising the ISO, to keep that DR. :)
At the end of the day, I think the differences make the Sony a better choice for a similar price. No point in buying a camera with less features for the same price.
Ah, that is where you want to take this discussion. Well, for some IBIS and 1 stop DR @ base ISO are important. For others. like me, it is image quality and usability as a photgraphic tool - and that starts with the EVF and does not end with focussing aides that actually work. Plus an excellent lens eco-system with teh whole world of EF lenses ready to be used on R-mount. New designs comming up of which the 50/1.2 and 35/1.8 offer only a glimpse. I guess "less" features depends on which features are important.
Definitely, but this isn't what you need. It's what its better for the OP.
For someone doing landscapes, the IBIS, DR and battery are probably more important than EVF or expensive lenses that don't offer much for landscape.
Eh, for landscapes i think the EOS R's sharper sensor is more important. 1 stop of DR on the extreme end is often redundant unless you mess up big time. Landscape photographers use filters and bracket shots. And above all we use a tripod.
The OP is looking for a camera to take hiking. Not a landscape photographer that would be willing to take filters and tripod...
I do. a light one. Attached to the camera bag.
That may be why we have different options. I’m thinking more for someone that wants to put a camera in a bag and go. Not someone taking tripods and filters.
Excellent. Which is why I recommended the a6500 and the 18135 to him (on a Canon forum - how dare I). It always amazes me in terms of quality.
 
I think in in the end it will be about the photograph and not the equipment....

Size, weight and image quality are virtually equivalent.

But the Canon has better ergonomics, colors, autofocus, weather sealing (Sony has particularly bad reputation in this department) and off course those versatile adapters opens up native use of the full EF lens lineup. If you are used to the Canon interface, the R would also be more familiar in buttons and menus (another department where Sony has a particularly bad reputation)
Is the weather sealing particularly good on the canon? Have you checked lens rental review on that?
Yes. It is the overall protection including lenses and mount. Did you read the lensrental review of the EOS-R? Better yet: Try one.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-canon-eos-r-mirrorless-camera/

"Speaking of the Sony A7RIII, it’s taken a bit of internet trashing for its lack of weather sealing. Throw no stones from your glass house, oh Canon shooters. The Canon EOS-R is just about the same; well-sealed buttons and dials, not much else."
That is the a7R3 - Sony's professional flagship! That should be nicely sealed, shouldn't it? Well, take a look at the mount and the lenses that are attached to it. Look for sealing. But you know: Sony FF are the better toys with all the bells and whistles. Canon FF are the better tools to work with.
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
 
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I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Thanks (again) for your useful real world experience with these cameras.

Still, you kind of ignored the elephant in the room - resolution.

As a landscape photographer / hiker who uses Canon gear (and would like to continue to), those extra 12Mpix of the A7R3 are difficult to ignore.

A couple of examples: I could crop the A7R3 file to a nice wide format 2.1 to 1, and still have 30 Mpix.

And, especially for the landscape / hiker brigade - a 16-35 lens will stretch out to a 16-52mm, at a still very useful 18Mix (based on my EOS 100, about as low as I would want to go). The Canon meanwhile is about 12Mpix - about the same as my old 5D which can be a bit limiting.

I like the EOS R, and your 'reviews' are very encouraging, but for me, as a landscape photographer, those extra pixels of the Sony potentially offer something the Canon simply cannot match.
 
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Thanks (again) for your useful real world experience with these cameras.

Still, you kind of ignored the elephant in the room - resolution.

As a landscape photographer / hiker who uses Canon gear (and would like to continue to), those extra 12Mpix of the A7R3 are difficult to ignore.

A couple of examples: I could crop the A7R3 file to a nice wide format 2.1 to 1, and still have 30 Mpix.

And, especially for the landscape / hiker brigade - a 16-35 lens will stretch out to a 16-52mm, at a still very useful 18Mix (based on my EOS 100, about as low as I would want to go). The Canon meanwhile is about 12Mpix - about the same as my old 5D which can be a bit limiting.

I like the EOS R, and your 'reviews' are very encouraging, but for me, as a landscape photographer, those extra pixels of the Sony potentially offer something the Canon simply cannot match.
Vey simple: You can't compare the EOS-R to the a7R3. Elephant gone. The EOS-R is positioned to compete with the a7M3 - and it does very well in that respect. There wil certainly be a higher resolution model out at some point in time.
 
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Thanks (again) for your useful real world experience with these cameras.

Still, you kind of ignored the elephant in the room - resolution.

As a landscape photographer / hiker who uses Canon gear (and would like to continue to), those extra 12Mpix of the A7R3 are difficult to ignore.

A couple of examples: I could crop the A7R3 file to a nice wide format 2.1 to 1, and still have 30 Mpix.

And, especially for the landscape / hiker brigade - a 16-35 lens will stretch out to a 16-52mm, at a still very useful 18Mix (based on my EOS 100, about as low as I would want to go). The Canon meanwhile is about 12Mpix - about the same as my old 5D which can be a bit limiting.

I like the EOS R, and your 'reviews' are very encouraging, but for me, as a landscape photographer, those extra pixels of the Sony potentially offer something the Canon simply cannot match.
Vey simple: You can't compare the EOS-R to the a7R3. Elephant gone. The EOS-R is positioned to compete with the a7M3 - and it does very well in that respect. There wil certainly be a higher resolution model out at some point in time.
I was replying to Astrophotographer who made several comparisons between the EOS R and A7R3, but I take your point.

In my earlier post I indicated I liked the Canon over the Sony A73, but believe the lure of an upgrade to the A7R3 for landscapes / hiking is compelling.

I do a lot of landscapes / hiking etc and are looking at upgrading my 5D2 so there is some relevance to the OP.
 
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Thanks (again) for your useful real world experience with these cameras.

Still, you kind of ignored the elephant in the room - resolution.

As a landscape photographer / hiker who uses Canon gear (and would like to continue to), those extra 12Mpix of the A7R3 are difficult to ignore.

A couple of examples: I could crop the A7R3 file to a nice wide format 2.1 to 1, and still have 30 Mpix.

And, especially for the landscape / hiker brigade - a 16-35 lens will stretch out to a 16-52mm, at a still very useful 18Mix (based on my EOS 100, about as low as I would want to go). The Canon meanwhile is about 12Mpix - about the same as my old 5D which can be a bit limiting.

I like the EOS R, and your 'reviews' are very encouraging, but for me, as a landscape photographer, those extra pixels of the Sony potentially offer something the Canon simply cannot match.
I didn't mention that because the OP was comparing the A7iii (24mp) and the EOS R so the EOS R actually has more MP.

I have been meaning to do a side by side image with the same lens using both the EOS R and the A7riii to see the difference. In my unscientific testing at home though the difference is not as much as I expected. Perhaps its the diffraction correction in the camera from the Canon but it is quite sharp, more than I expected. Yes the A7riii will ultimately prevail here I think but not by as much as you may think. APSc mode may show a bigger gain - I don't know.

But EOS R and A7iii would be close and probably the EOS R winning there. I don't have one to test.

Greg.
 
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Thanks (again) for your useful real world experience with these cameras.

Still, you kind of ignored the elephant in the room - resolution.

As a landscape photographer / hiker who uses Canon gear (and would like to continue to), those extra 12Mpix of the A7R3 are difficult to ignore.

A couple of examples: I could crop the A7R3 file to a nice wide format 2.1 to 1, and still have 30 Mpix.

And, especially for the landscape / hiker brigade - a 16-35 lens will stretch out to a 16-52mm, at a still very useful 18Mix (based on my EOS 100, about as low as I would want to go). The Canon meanwhile is about 12Mpix - about the same as my old 5D which can be a bit limiting.

I like the EOS R, and your 'reviews' are very encouraging, but for me, as a landscape photographer, those extra pixels of the Sony potentially offer something the Canon simply cannot match.
Vey simple: You can't compare the EOS-R to the a7R3. Elephant gone. The EOS-R is positioned to compete with the a7M3 - and it does very well in that respect. There wil certainly be a higher resolution model out at some point in time.
I was replying to Astrophotographer who made several comparisons between the EOS R and A7R3, but I take your point.

In my earlier post I indicated I liked the Canon over the Sony A73, but believe the lure of an upgrade to the A7R3 for landscapes / hiking is compelling.

I do a lot of landscapes / hiking etc and are looking at upgrading my 5D2 so there is some relevance to the OP.
I have a Sigma Art 14mm in Canon mount I can use on both my EOS R and A7r3. I'll try to take a few photos in the next couple of days and post them so you can see for yourself.

Greg.
 
I think in in the end it will be about the photograph and not the equipment....

Size, weight and image quality are virtually equivalent.

But the Canon has better ergonomics, colors, autofocus, weather sealing (Sony has particularly bad reputation in this department) and off course those versatile adapters opens up native use of the full EF lens lineup. If you are used to the Canon interface, the R would also be more familiar in buttons and menus (another department where Sony has a particularly bad reputation)
Is the weather sealing particularly good on the canon? Have you checked lens rental review on that?
Yes. It is the overall protection including lenses and mount. Did you read the lensrental review of the EOS-R? Better yet: Try one.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-canon-eos-r-mirrorless-camera/

"Speaking of the Sony A7RIII, it’s taken a bit of internet trashing for its lack of weather sealing. Throw no stones from your glass house, oh Canon shooters. The Canon EOS-R is just about the same; well-sealed buttons and dials, not much else."
That is the a7R3 - Sony's professional flagship! That should be nicely sealed, shouldn't it? Well, take a look at the mount and the lenses that are attached to it. Look for sealing. But you know: Sony FF are the better toys with all the bells and whistles. Canon FF are the better tools to work with.
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Now this is a nice unbias answer Greg, thank you for that.

Sertain people who won't be named should learn from that.

I realy love my Eos R , but i am not about to trash other brands who each have there own merrits.

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light is the source of all life.....
 
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Of course my post was between Eos-R and the a7lll....
I know, it wasn't directed at you

But it's turning out to be an other Canon against Sony battle.

There's no point in that.
 
I didn't mention that because the OP was comparing the A7iii (24mp) and the EOS R so the EOS R actually has more MP.

I have been meaning to do a side by side image with the same lens using both the EOS R and the A7riii to see the difference. In my unscientific testing at home though the difference is not as much as I expected. Perhaps its the diffraction correction in the camera from the Canon but it is quite sharp, more than I expected. Yes the A7riii will ultimately prevail here I think but not by as much as you may think. APSc mode may show a bigger gain - I don't know.

But EOS R and A7iii would be close and probably the EOS R winning there. I don't have one to test.

Greg.
Thanks, fair points. I was getting side tracked because of my own decision making process. I am trying to decide whether to stay with Canon or head to Sony (mainly for the extra resolution).

As I have said, your views on the EOS R are encouraging, thanks.
 
Of course my post was between Eos-R and the a7lll....
True, and I admit I got a little side-tracked.

But I think buying lenses with a view to the body upgrade path is at least worth considering.
 
As a Sony fan boi even I am having a tough time calling it between the two cameras.

For whatever it's worth, I have an A7RII on which I have adapted a Canon 24-85 USM. Obviously not in the league of either but you have to make sacrifices for weight. Still pretty sharp stopped down
 
Sony is a 3rd gen mature product. Without brand loyalty, go with Sony . If you can wait a year, then it will become clear if canon has catchup
 
I think in in the end it will be about the photograph and not the equipment....

Size, weight and image quality are virtually equivalent.

But the Canon has better ergonomics, colors, autofocus, weather sealing (Sony has particularly bad reputation in this department) and off course those versatile adapters opens up native use of the full EF lens lineup. If you are used to the Canon interface, the R would also be more familiar in buttons and menus (another department where Sony has a particularly bad reputation)
Is the weather sealing particularly good on the canon? Have you checked lens rental review on that?
Yes. It is the overall protection including lenses and mount. Did you read the lensrental review of the EOS-R? Better yet: Try one.
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2018/10/teardown-of-the-canon-eos-r-mirrorless-camera/

"Speaking of the Sony A7RIII, it’s taken a bit of internet trashing for its lack of weather sealing. Throw no stones from your glass house, oh Canon shooters. The Canon EOS-R is just about the same; well-sealed buttons and dials, not much else."
That is the a7R3 - Sony's professional flagship! That should be nicely sealed, shouldn't it? Well, take a look at the mount and the lenses that are attached to it. Look for sealing. But you know: Sony FF are the better toys with all the bells and whistles. Canon FF are the better tools to work with.
I have several Sony's A7r2 and 3 and RX100s. Great little cameras overall. I recently got an EOS R and the 24-105 for a great price and because I wanted a different viewpoint and more particularly a more pure camera for astro.

Sony's are good overall. The EOS R is great overall. The A7riii has more bells and whistles as someone put it here, true. Its hard to match by any camera and it costs more.

Sony lenses are quite expensive with few exceptions. Some of these RF lenses are even more expensive F2 zoom and 50 1.2. Both systems have good lenses but those Zeiss Loxias and Batis lenses for Sonys are super good.

As mentioned the EOS R has much better ergonomics, a touch screen that works like a smartphone as opposed to Sony's gen 1 offer which is crude and not that great.

Menus are far better with the EOS R however the A7riii (and I assume the A7iii) menus are extremely customisable even more so than the Canon).

Colours are great on the EOS R. Sony is more neutral in colour and needs post processing often. I did however just got a EOS R colour profile for Sony A7riii made by a poster for Lightroom that is fantastic so perhaps that narrows the colour advantage to some degree.

Canon is quite a bit better for astro. Not because of noise as they are similar with the EOS R being perhaps slightly noisier (its minimal if it at all) but does true star colours, does not try to filter them or change the dim ones to green like the Sony does.

Sony Eye AF is better. The upcoming free Sony AF firmware upgrade is a big deal though.

It takes Sony Eye detect and tracking AF to a level above DSLRs and beyond Nikon D500 D5 and others. A7iii already had the bulk of the A9's AF. It also adds an intervalometer which the EOS R does not have.

EOS R AF is great. I don't do sports but read many times it does not track super well and is slow FPS-wise. Video has the large crop and one card slot if those things are important to you.

For my use for family, travel, scenic shots and primarily astro I really like the EOS R. Much more than I expected. AF is instant like it is with A7riii, AF though works in almost totally dark scenes. I can AF on a bright star but then again I can with A7riii as well. A bit easier with EOS R though.

As to DR I agree its hard to see the gain so far from the A7riii Both are superb. Perhaps a fraction less shadow noise and no banding in the A7riii in shadows but long exposure A7riii has bad colour red/blue spots everywhere in the shadows. It does clean up with clever use of the dust and scratches filter in PS though.

I can see why its a hard choice. Both are superb.

Sony 24-105 I think is quite a bit more expensive than the Canon RF isn't it? Its offered as a kit lens combo with the Canon, I don't know that it is for the Sony. Build quality seems a bit better in the Canon. The EVF and particularly the LCD are better in the Canon.

I like them both - but that's why I have both. Surely 2 cameras are better than one!!!

The new coming soon firmware upgrade, plus better video, plus 2 card slots (if that matters to you it doesn't to me) faster FPS, intervalometer, best tracking AF, best eye detect AF, Animal eye AF very good cutting edge sensor and longer battery life are important to you then its A7iii. If you prefer better colours, better ergonomics, an overall better user experience, better EVF, better less monkeyed with RAW data, no star eater, no coloured ring polygon sensor shading correction that can show up in some instances on some lenses, a lot of 3rd party support, better astro camera, faster lenses and if the combo with the lens is cheaper then get the Canon.

Sony has been on a rocket ride the last several years upgrading their cameras way faster than anyone else except perhaps Fuji. Canon has been slow to wake up but they are getting their and they bring a different viewpoint to the camera which I can appreciate.

For landscape I can't see either being an issue.

Greg
Greg,

Because you own both a7r3 and the EOS R can you provide astro comparison images showing the difference? I'm interested in the Canon for astro as well. Which lens are you using for astro on your EOS R?
 
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The Sony A7iii's big advantages are the IBIS, FF 4k, sports/action autofocus and sensor DR. Most of that doesn't matter for landscape shots. As an a7iii owner I'd get the Canon for the extra resolution for landscapes. The A7iii is a people/events camera. You can work around the lower dynamic range, you can't add resolution.

Maybe you should consider a Fuji XT3 kit as well. You'll have something more compact than the Canon or Sony kits.

Or perhaps a used A7RII. 42mp will really make a difference in your landscapes. It's lack of an AA filter combined with high resolution will top the 7iii and EOS r for your use case.
 
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If you don't have any EF glass, get the A7iii. The image quality is superior and AF system is more sophisticated.
 
If you don't have any EF glass, get the A7iii. The image quality is superior and AF system is more sophisticated.
Have you compared IQ and AF? I have. IQ is as good and AF is as good if not more on target even in low light. The major difference is IBIS.
 
If you don't have any EF glass, get the A7iii. The image quality is superior and AF system is more sophisticated.
Have you compared IQ and AF? I have. IQ is as good and AF is as good if not more on target even in low light. The major difference is IBIS.
Owning both I disagree. The a7iii autofocus system is more sophisticated and for portraits (eg running children) it smokes the Eos R. The face detection on a7iii is leagues ahead of Eos R. And the burst speed it supiorior whilst retaining autofocus.

The IQ on a7iii is about a stop better on high iso cleanness of jpegs SOOC.

IBIS doesn’t concern mean because my shutter is general above 1/250
 

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