Fuji JPEG editing do or don't?

Jerry-astro said:

Seems like it’s been a little while since the last forum RAW vs. JPG brouhaha, so it was only a matter of time before it popped up again. After reading this thread, I have a feeling we should probably look for a less controversial topic to discuss... you know... something like religion or politics.

Having been thru this a few times, I’ll give away the ending: after a while, everyone usually realizes that they aren’t going to convince the “faithful,” regardless whether they are JPG or RAW advocates, and the thread dies a merciful death. The quicker we can get there, the better, from my perspective because most of us who’ve been on the forum for a while have seen it all before.

However, since my role as a Mod is not to control subject matter (darn it), as long as it stays within DPR rules, I’ll abstain from saying what I’d REALLY like to say here and let the thread die a natural death (or an unnatural one if things don’t remain civil).

Whew! Got that out of my system. By all means... please carry on.

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Todd Jones said:

Jerry-astro said:

Seems like it’s been a little while since the last forum RAW vs. JPG brouhaha, so it was only a matter of time before it popped up again. After reading this thread, I have a feeling we should probably look for a less controversial topic to discuss... you know... something like religion or politics.

Having been thru this a few times, I’ll give away the ending: after a while, everyone usually realizes that they aren’t going to convince the “faithful,” regardless whether they are JPG or RAW advocates, and the thread dies a merciful death. The quicker we can get there, the better, from my perspective because most of us who’ve been on the forum for a while have seen it all before.

However, since my role as a Mod is not to control subject matter (darn it), as long as it stays within DPR rules, I’ll abstain from saying what I’d REALLY like to say here and let the thread die a natural death (or an unnatural one if things don’t remain civil).

Whew! Got that out of my system. By all means... please carry on.

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Yep, you just ask if people edit their jpegs and if they think it's ok then others start shoving raw only down your throat

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LBThang said:

OP asked 'How do you shoot', not 'How do you think I should shoot.'

I do not understand how it can be so hard for some people to grasp, that there are people who enjoy photography, but not spending their nights in front of the computer tweaking their photos.

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LBThang said:

I also wonder how many newcomers have given up photography since the Raw fundamentalists have drained all joy of it.

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Elyharbour said:

curiouspeter said:

Elyharbour said:

It's absolutely clear to everybody on this forum that RAW gives a lot more latitude, but I feel the RAW devotees under-estimate what can be done with a JPEG. Just look at the world of mobile photography and apps such as Snapseed and VSCO. The latter has a huge range of profiles that do change colour quite dramatically and successfully. I was quite surprised what can be done from a well exposed JPEG when I started uploading my shots to phone / tablet and using these apps. They might not pass the "perfection test" on DPR, but they're good enough for most people's output and purposes IMO. We should celebrate the fact that Fuji give us a great starting point for those who prefer to use JPEGs or whose mobile workflow pretty much demands it!

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JPEG is an output format. Unless you are happy with the files being the output you should use a lossless editing format.

It is also desirable to defer editing decisions as much as possible. Why force yourself to make irreversible choices like film simulation, noise theree arereduction, and sharpening at thande moment of capture if they can be decided years later?

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Actually I shoot RAW and jpeg and keep the RAWs but my point was that are times when editing and using the jpeg is good enough and especially when RAW is not an option (mobile uploads).

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Jerry-astro said:

Todd Jones said:

Jerry-astro said:

Seems like it’s been a little while since the last forum RAW vs. JPG brouhaha, so it was only a matter of time before it popped up again. After reading this thread, I have a feeling we should probably look for a less controversial topic to discuss... you know... something like religion or politics.

Having been thru this a few times, I’ll give away the ending: after a while, everyone usually realizes that they aren’t going to convince the “faithful,” regardless whether they are JPG or RAW advocates, and the thread dies a merciful death. The quicker we can get there, the better, from my perspective because most of us who’ve been on the forum for a while have seen it all before.

However, since my role as a Mod is not to control subject matter (darn it), as long as it stays within DPR rules, I’ll abstain from saying what I’d REALLY like to say here and let the thread die a natural death (or an unnatural one if things don’t remain civil).

Whew! Got that out of my system. By all means... please carry on.

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Yep, you just ask if people edit their jpegs and if they think it's ok then others start shoving raw only down your throat

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Well, though I have strong feelings of my own here, I’ll try to keep them [mostly] to myself. I will point out, though, that if you’re ultimately doing some level of editing on your images anyway, some of the advantages of shooting JPG disappear. Depending on whether it’s a quick and simple edit or a more complex one, subsequent edits and saves of JPG files will ultimately have an impact on your final image’s IQ because JPG is inherently a lossy format.

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Jerry-astro said:

That may or may not matter, but it needs at least to be considered.

So, to be clear, there is a price of some sort to be paid for editing (particularly repeatedly) JPG files. However, the impact may be unnoticeable, particularly if you’re only talking about a single edit. Personally, I sort of enjoy the editing process and don’t mind working with RAW files,

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Jerry-astro said:

so the only reason I shoot RAW+JPG is to be able to take advantage of the higher resolution preview, particularly when zooming in to check critical focus. Otherwise, I’m strictly a RAW guy and do almost all of my PP in LR.

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Jerry-astro said:

So, in my case, I’m not sure working with JPGs would be any advantage at all unless I found that a decent number of my images were usable SOOC. That’s rarely the case and I almost always do some sort of editing on each image. I also realize that this differs greatly from other people’s preferences, so to be clear, I’m sharing, not advocating.

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Todd Jones said:

Jerry-astro said:

Todd Jones said:

Jerry-astro said:

Seems like it’s been a little while since the last forum RAW vs. JPG brouhaha, so it was only a matter of time before it popped up again. After reading this thread, I have a feeling we should probably look for a less controversial topic to discuss... you know... something like religion or politics.

Having been thru this a few times, I’ll give away the ending: after a while, everyone usually realizes that they aren’t going to convince the “faithful,” regardless whether they are JPG or RAW advocates, and the thread dies a merciful death. The quicker we can get there, the better, from my perspective because most of us who’ve been on the forum for a while have seen it all before.

However, since my role as a Mod is not to control subject matter (darn it), as long as it stays within DPR rules, I’ll abstain from saying what I’d REALLY like to say here and let the thread die a natural death (or an unnatural one if things don’t remain civil).

Whew! Got that out of my system. By all means... please carry on.

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Yep, you just ask if people edit their jpegs and if they think it's ok then others start shoving raw only down your throat

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Well, though I have strong feelings of my own here, I’ll try to keep them [mostly] to myself. I will point out, though, that if you’re ultimately doing some level of editing on your images anyway, some of the advantages of shooting JPG disappear. Depending on whether it’s a quick and simple edit or a more complex one, subsequent edits and saves of JPG files will ultimately have an impact on your final image’s IQ because JPG is inherently a lossy format.

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I know that and agree, I shot only raw in my D-810

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ialarmedalien said:

I've yet to find any X-Trans processing software that makes RAW processing as easy and hassle-free as DxO PhotoLab / OpticsPro does for Bayer sensor RAW files.

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stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

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Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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stevo23 said:

Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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Yes, and if I may, the record needs to be set straight:

- Some have stated that somehow editing Raw is a tiresome and "mind-numbing" process but jpeg editing is somehow painless and easy. That's patently false in both sides. I don't care if people edit jpeg or raw. But it's not helpful to say that raw editing is somehow painful and mind numbing nor is it helpful to tell people that editing jpeg will be rosy and easy.

- Some have claimed some of us are against those who shoot jpeg. I haven't read every reply, but I've not attacked jpeg editors. I've only attacked misrepresentation of the facts.

- Some here have mis-stated the point of this thread and made it somehow about "let's discuss jpeg editing". But let's clear that up. But the OP of this thread literally asked:

"So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!"

So it's about both. Maybe we can go on from here, or maybe we can't. But we should set the record straight folks.

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Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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Yes, and if I may, the record needs to be set straight:

- Some have stated that somehow editing Raw is a tiresome and "mind-numbing" process but jpeg editing is somehow painless and easy. That's patently false in both sides. I don't care if people edit jpeg or raw. But it's not helpful to say that raw editing is somehow painful and mind numbing nor is it helpful to tell people that editing jpeg will be rosy and easy.

- Some have claimed some of us are against those who shoot jpeg. I haven't read every reply, but I've not attacked jpeg editors. I've only attacked misrepresentation of the facts.

- Some here have mis-stated the point of this thread and made it somehow about "let's discuss jpeg editing". But let's clear that up. But the OP of this thread literally asked:

"So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!"

So it's about both. Maybe we can go on from here, or maybe we can't. But we should set the record straight folks.

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So Stevo! You should be in politics as you have very deftly dodged and ignored my request for a link to verify that you are qualified to give processing advice.

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Foxjet said:

Where is the link to "the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection" that you claimed earlier in this thread???

Still waiting!

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Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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Yes, and if I may, the record needs to be set straight:

- Some have stated that somehow editing Raw is a tiresome and "mind-numbing" process but jpeg editing is somehow painless and easy. That's patently false in both sides. I don't care if people edit jpeg or raw. But it's not helpful to say that raw editing is somehow painful and mind numbing nor is it helpful to tell people that editing jpeg will be rosy and easy.

- Some have claimed some of us are against those who shoot jpeg. I haven't read every reply, but I've not attacked jpeg editors. I've only attacked misrepresentation of the facts.

- Some here have mis-stated the point of this thread and made it somehow about "let's discuss jpeg editing". But let's clear that up. But the OP of this thread literally asked:

"So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!"

So it's about both. Maybe we can go on from here, or maybe we can't. But we should set the record straight folks.

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So Stevo! You should be in politics as you have very deftly dodged and ignored my request for a link to verify that you are qualified to give processing advice.

Where is the link to "the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection" that you claimed earlier in this thread???

Still waiting!

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robert1955 said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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Yes, and if I may, the record needs to be set straight:

- Some have stated that somehow editing Raw is a tiresome and "mind-numbing" process but jpeg editing is somehow painless and easy. That's patently false in both sides. I don't care if people edit jpeg or raw. But it's not helpful to say that raw editing is somehow painful and mind numbing nor is it helpful to tell people that editing jpeg will be rosy and easy.

- Some have claimed some of us are against those who shoot jpeg. I haven't read every reply, but I've not attacked jpeg editors. I've only attacked misrepresentation of the facts.

- Some here have mis-stated the point of this thread and made it somehow about "let's discuss jpeg editing". But let's clear that up. But the OP of this thread literally asked:

"So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!"

So it's about both. Maybe we can go on from here, or maybe we can't. But we should set the record straight folks.

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So Stevo! You should be in politics as you have very deftly dodged and ignored my request for a link to verify that you are qualified to give processing advice.

Where is the link to "the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection" that you claimed earlier in this thread???

Still waiting!

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Maybe you should post a link to your perfectly edits of jpg's to motivate him?

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Foxjet said:

robert1955 said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

Jerry-astro said:

Foxjet said:

stevo23 said:

If you're trying to match the camera, you're taking the wrong approach. There is nothing magic about OOC jpegs, in fact the opposite. OOC jpegs have no magic. They can be nice, but never as nice as what I achieve on my own with very little effort. And for the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection, jpeg won't do.

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So Stevo! There you go again bad mouthing and calling hogwash on the folks who love the Fuji film simulations and OOC jpgs. And of course your processed RAWs are so superior!!!!!

Well sir, I looked at your gallery on this site and see only one photo and it does not impress.

So Stevo! Please give us a link to your special images that you have edited to perfection. I think it would be interesting to see if you can back up your statements.

By the way, I do shoot RAW plus jpeg and do edit either one or sometimes just resize the camera jpeg and post to my Flickr. See link below my signature.

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I don’t think he “called hogwash” on anything. He merely expressed a preference... one which many people who frequent the forum agree with. Attacking his gallery is also totally irrelevant to this discussion and sort of makes this personal.

Folks, there is no right or wrong here... there are only options. JPG vs. RAW arguments are as pointless now as they were years back. Do what makes you happy, provides the results you want, and consumes the amount of time you’re willing to spend. I happen to be a RAW guy, but I don’t openly advocate it and respect the fact that many people don’t want to take the time and effort to edit each image and prefer to simply get it right in camera.

Arguing over this is (and always has been) a waste of time and inevitably heads downhill. Let’s move on.

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Yes, and if I may, the record needs to be set straight:

- Some have stated that somehow editing Raw is a tiresome and "mind-numbing" process but jpeg editing is somehow painless and easy. That's patently false in both sides. I don't care if people edit jpeg or raw. But it's not helpful to say that raw editing is somehow painful and mind numbing nor is it helpful to tell people that editing jpeg will be rosy and easy.

- Some have claimed some of us are against those who shoot jpeg. I haven't read every reply, but I've not attacked jpeg editors. I've only attacked misrepresentation of the facts.

- Some here have mis-stated the point of this thread and made it somehow about "let's discuss jpeg editing". But let's clear that up. But the OP of this thread literally asked:

"So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!"

So it's about both. Maybe we can go on from here, or maybe we can't. But we should set the record straight folks.

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So Stevo! You should be in politics as you have very deftly dodged and ignored my request for a link to verify that you are qualified to give processing advice.

Where is the link to "the very special images that I really want to edit to perfection" that you claimed earlier in this thread???

Still waiting!

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Maybe you should post a link to your perfectly edits of jpg's to motivate him?

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Robert1995, click on the link in my signature on any of my posts. See below. Some are resized OOC, some are edited raws, some are edited Jpegs. I am not dogmatic about post processing and getting tired of those who are.

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