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rhlpetrus said:
Emil Varadi said:
… no IBIS in the Z6/7, while Canon brings out its FF ML with IBIS?
World War III would break out if you extrapolate from the hysteria around the single memory slot.
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It seems it’s slot too. And VF 0.71 magnification. Plus a few restrictions in video and AF tracking also limited.

Looks like Nikon has pulled most stops in the Zs. I also don’t get the fast zoom and the 1.2 prime at launch, very heavy and large lenses, not for this body. Only nice lens is the 35, for me at least.

It’s interesting how the Sony trolls are absent from Canon forum. They were very active here, including people starting threads about how one card was the end of the world, etc.
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Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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Looks like they are not offering and why should they when they have a blind following. Canon fans will buy in droves giving the impression that IBIS is not necessary.

I am so tired of seeing blind hatred and criticism against Nikon. Long live Nikon as your ML is the best and not to mention the best DSLR in the world D850.


I am thoroughly enjoying my D850 and no intention to move to ML world.
 
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Alan said:
Two of the 4 new lenses have IS (it's in the names). Of course that's not definitive, but it's suggestive.
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AlanWatson said:
Also the leaked detailed spec sheet for the camera makes no mention of IBIS. So it looks extremely unlikely to me that the R has IBIS.
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I think the question is answered :-O
 
Emperor of all Maladies said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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The impression I get is that Nikon is always on the lookout for features to trim from its cameras.
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Don't they all do that if they can get away with it ?
Emperor of all Maladies said:
So, if Canon removes IBIS, Nikon just might be emboldened to do likewise!
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Is Sony or Canon the main competitor when it comes to mirrorless FF cameras? Is Sony going to remove IBIS in future updates ?

No : there lies your answer. Nikon is if anything working on making its IBIS at least as good as Sony's, not remove it
 
Emperor of all Maladies said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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The impression I get is that Nikon is always on the lookout for features to trim from its cameras. I mean, just look at that single card slot and teeny, tiny buffer in the Z6/Z7.

So, if Canon removes IBIS, Nikon just might be emboldened to do likewise!
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This is the blind Nikon bashing I was talking about earlier. You obviously failed to appreciate the fact Z6/Z7 do have IBIS (and that they won't remove unless of course releasing an additional low cost model,) .
 
michaeladawson said:
No they won't. Once it's in the camera and NONE of the lenses for the Z mount have VR there is no way Nikon will remove it.

It's one thing to not offer IBIS in a new camera line, like Canon seems to be doing. It's an entirely different thing to remove a basic feature of the camera that users become reliant on. Heck, remove AF.
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The way Nikon has designed their IS, I'm thinking that they might still put VR in their longer mirrorless lenses. Use it the same way they are using F mount lenses with VR on the mirrorless cameras.

The claim has always been that lens IS is better in longer lenses then IBIS.
 
If you read the various comments from Nikon, it does look like they might use VR in the lens since it gives information to the sensor and vice versa improving the effectiveness of the IBIS/VR.

We will know next year with the 70-200
 
Why Toi said:
Not even worth considering as Canon's ML will have IBIS. Canon is not that stupid to bring out a product that will die at the door.
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Its doesn't, they are, it won't. .. You were

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Dealbreaker for me most likely, since there is no guarantee that every RF lens from here on out would include IS.
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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Solidifies a bit more that this is the way I want to go (unless Olympus releases FF, then we'll see) ;-)

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Side Note: I hope someone does an IQ test between the EOS R+24-105/4 and the A7III+24-105/4.
 
rhlpetrus said:
It’s interesting how the Sony trolls are absent from Canon forum. They were very active here, including people starting threads about how one card was the end of the world, etc.
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They will be there on the day the new system is presented to spoil the fun. :-(

I have recognized two of them already...
 
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syberman7 said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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Now that's a lot more serious an omission than a second card slot. I won't buy a new camera now without IBIS. The Olympus E-M1 II has spoilt me.
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Everyone has a different "no way I would buy a cam without ..." :-|
 
sandy b said:
Nikon can get away with it because they were smart enough not to use a teeny weeny sd card
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I think the XQD is a wise way to go, but At this point, I think the card issue is irrelevant as the Z and R are not action cameras. Both have low FPS. I suspect the R will have a shallow buffer as well.
 
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.

Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
 
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.

Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
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The youtubers who were making big deal of single XQD card slot are now very cool with lackluster Canon offering (no IBIS, one SD caes). So much bias against Nikon .. they all just love to bash Nikon.

Nikon is being bullied in this age of internet and Youtube.
 
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.
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Were the Sony A mount lenses Not stabilized? I thought they were.

i imagine that if they are not stabilized, you’d certainly want IBIS. On the other hand, coming from all stabilized lenses, I’ve never given something like IBIS a second thought.
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
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Gudda said:
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.

Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
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The youtubers who were making big deal of single XQD card slot are now very cool with lackluster Canon offering (no IBIS, one SD caes). So much bias against Nikon .. they all just love to bash Nikon.

Nikon is being bullied in this age of internet and Youtube.
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don't think that x or y brand is or isn't bashed. But what I find most of the time, is that when a reviewer doesn't like the product from the very start (example is A-mount), then all the reviews of whatever bodies series are totally "undone". For example A77ii has the eyeAF system, none of the reviewers of this epoch did mention it, it is now in e-mount and it is a must-have qnd a revolution ( just a revolution old of more than 4 years in reality )

So it is more biased if the reviewer got preferences since the beginning.
 
Gudda said:
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.

Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
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The youtubers who were making big deal of single XQD card slot are now very cool with lackluster Canon offering (no IBIS, one SD caes). So much bias against Nikon .. they all just love to bash Nikon.

Nikon is being bullied in this age of internet and Youtube.
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I think that is because Nikon was first to Announce. I think Canon will get bashed as much or even more after 9/5.
 
fpessolano said:
If you read the various comments from Nikon, it does look like they might use VR in the lens since it gives information to the sensor and vice versa improving the effectiveness of the IBIS/VR.

We will know next year with the 70-200
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Well that could give them an advantage over the Sonys.
 
dgumshu said:
ActionPhotoPassion said:
Gudda said:
... in its FF ML camera? Implications on Z6/Z7 if that's true?
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the real deal is when adapting lenses that aren't stablized themselves. Coming from Sony A-mount, I can't imagine myself with a camera that doesn't have this feature.
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Were the Sony A mount lenses Not stabilized? I thought they were.

i imagine that if they are not stabilized, you’d certainly want IBIS. On the other hand, coming from all stabilized lenses, I’ve never given something like IBIS a second thought.
dgumshu said:
Adding stabilization on the lens also means raising the sale-price of the deisgned lens.
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All A-mount bodies got IBIS since the very first Minolta digital D7D/D5D (I think 2001 ?) :D

So, yes all lenses are stabilized, but doesn't need a stabilization feature in-lens.
 
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