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Just bought a D850 and own PS 5cs ...Now no longer can view my raw files. Must I go to DNG or Nikon
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ImageAmateur
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Yes. Thanks.
My note was about Capture One. As you would know, once the RAW is processed and exported to TIFF, the TIFF can be processed in any version of PS.
Capture One has a facility for basically using PS like a plugin.
Works well.
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ImageAmateur
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Absolutely no need for angst re subscription model worries, when two excellent RAW converters exist.
Capture One and DXO Photolab.
Process the RAW in one of these, export as TIFF and ANY version of Photoshop can process that. I export from C1 to an 'Interim Processing Folder' which keeps my processing workflow simple. Then, after opening images in that folder from PS and doing any tweaks, save to a final shoot folder. Clear out the Interim Processing Folder after processing that shoot.
Keeps your photoshop relevant without spending a lot and you just pay for the RAW converter upgrade every two years or so.
As I noted above, Capture One also has a facility, which is best to understand by saying that it uses Photoshop like a plugin.
Or you can just use C1's own layer editing. But I know that once you get a liking for PS utility, you want the option, I do.
So many threads over a while about subscription worries and there is absolutely no need.
Just use C1 or DXO.
Done.
Both give excellent output and certainly better than the Nikon thing and do not even think about the Nikon thing's horrid user interface.
Whoever gave the approval to switch from Nikon's Capture NX2 type software to the current abysmal software was / were probably not a photographer (s). From the sublime to the ridiculous.
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Wishing You Good Light.
Capture One and DXO Photolab.
Process the RAW in one of these, export as TIFF and ANY version of Photoshop can process that. I export from C1 to an 'Interim Processing Folder' which keeps my processing workflow simple. Then, after opening images in that folder from PS and doing any tweaks, save to a final shoot folder. Clear out the Interim Processing Folder after processing that shoot.
Keeps your photoshop relevant without spending a lot and you just pay for the RAW converter upgrade every two years or so.
As I noted above, Capture One also has a facility, which is best to understand by saying that it uses Photoshop like a plugin.
Or you can just use C1's own layer editing. But I know that once you get a liking for PS utility, you want the option, I do.
So many threads over a while about subscription worries and there is absolutely no need.
Just use C1 or DXO.
Done.
Both give excellent output and certainly better than the Nikon thing and do not even think about the Nikon thing's horrid user interface.
Whoever gave the approval to switch from Nikon's Capture NX2 type software to the current abysmal software was / were probably not a photographer (s). From the sublime to the ridiculous.
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Wishing You Good Light.
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ImageAmateur
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Another option. Though I prefer C1 Pro, this is an another option that you can trial (for free). If it works well for you, then you can buy it.
http://www.picturecode.com/tutorials/photoshop.php
There are just so many ways to continue using PS without subscription. Up to you.
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Wishing You Good Light.
http://www.picturecode.com/tutorials/photoshop.php
There are just so many ways to continue using PS without subscription. Up to you.
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Wishing You Good Light.
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Bernard Delley
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It does not loose a bit on the actual raw image. The special flags are maintained, but Adobe never cared much about those. All you loose is that the full size basic jpg "thumbnail" that is part of the NEF. It is replaced by a much smaller jpg thumbnail in the DNG. The DNG is slightly smaller in file size than the NEF for that reason. Since the original jpg is often good enough for none or minor processing, I extract the original "thumbnail" before considering to throw away the NEF and just keep the DNG.
See tha thread on DNG for more details.
See tha thread on DNG for more details.
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Antal I Kozma
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Hi again,
The assumption that Ninja replaces LR depends on what you have used LR for. As I said, Ninja is a RAW converter, you can process and crop your images in it and you have a nice TIFF as the result.
LR is more of a toolbox to organize, archive and so forth beyond RAW conversion. At least that is my understanding since I never have used it for anything. I was strictly a Photoshop user since PS 1.5 and up to Creative Suite 6.
If you are after a complete suite that is up to date and full of tools then it is ON 1 Photo RAW 2018. You could describe it as LR and PS molded into one. Whereas Ninja is a stand alone RAW processor, an excellent one though.
I do not want to persuade you to get PhotoNinja since if you used LR for more than processing, like building a photo archive, then you may feel short changed with Ninja. As I said earlier I use it strictly for converting my RAW files. Then I get the files further massaged in ON 1 or PS6. However, if you wish to be an aficionado in RAW processing then you may consider Ninja and then use PS5 or ON 1 if you would want to expand your horizon of image trickery.
Best, AIK
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Antal I Kozma
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Sam,
One more thing to clarify things. As many pointed it out in this thread once you converted a RAW file to TIFF your version of PS5 will be able to deal with that TIFF for further processing. So technically speaking if you get PhotoNinja for RAW conversion then that is enough to be back in business.
I just mentioned ON 1 Photo RAW 2018 as a good all in one solution to leave PS totally out of the food chain. Get a trial copy of ON 1 and see if that would work for you as a single tool chest. Maybe you'll be just happy with it without using PhotoNinja. ON 1 is giving good RAW conversion results.
One more thing speaks for ON 1, they have plenty of teaching videos. It is a program that you need to learn well to use it efficiently. However, it does worth to put classroom time in to learn it inside out. I have been using it since its earlier incarnations but still discovering new things within the program.
Best, AIK
greenmanphoto
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greenmanphoto
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Antal,
Thanks again for the replies. I do have LR catalogs, using keywords and the like. And I started renaming the photos when importing them according to what the shoot was for, i.e., the race I just shot today has all photos from it named with the name and location of the race, and the date is also automatically applied, along with a one-up serialized number.
Once in LR6, I do adjustments ranging from exposure, highlights and shadows, boosting saturation, vibrance, and clarity a bit, and straightening and cropping the image, as needed. Depending on the ISO settings, I will also add a bit of NR, as needed.
So, I import into LR at the same time I copy them off the card and rename them, then I do whatever culling and adjustments I need to do, and then save out as JPEG files. If PN can do that, and do it well, I'll go with it. IIRC, from what I saw earlier with it, it CAN do those things, but I'm open to more input from you. And from what I've heard, it does one of the best jobs on converting Nikon's NEF files. Otherwise, On 1 is definitely an alternative, and I may possibly get both, anyway.
Thanks again for the time and responses,
Sam
Thanks again for the replies. I do have LR catalogs, using keywords and the like. And I started renaming the photos when importing them according to what the shoot was for, i.e., the race I just shot today has all photos from it named with the name and location of the race, and the date is also automatically applied, along with a one-up serialized number.
Once in LR6, I do adjustments ranging from exposure, highlights and shadows, boosting saturation, vibrance, and clarity a bit, and straightening and cropping the image, as needed. Depending on the ISO settings, I will also add a bit of NR, as needed.
So, I import into LR at the same time I copy them off the card and rename them, then I do whatever culling and adjustments I need to do, and then save out as JPEG files. If PN can do that, and do it well, I'll go with it. IIRC, from what I saw earlier with it, it CAN do those things, but I'm open to more input from you. And from what I've heard, it does one of the best jobs on converting Nikon's NEF files. Otherwise, On 1 is definitely an alternative, and I may possibly get both, anyway.
Thanks again for the time and responses,
Sam
PaulV
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The OP joined yesterday, posted once, and has not replied to any of the people who are offering their experience and solutions here. Also, he or she bought a complex camera without doing any research about whether a very old piece of software could handle the files. Can't do much more for this person except to offer my own advice, which is to pony up and pay the 10 bucks a month for CS. MUCH easier to process with ACR and save in some archival format, if you must.
Or Lightroom.
Or any of the other RAW converters out there. I'm a Photoshop guy, so that's just my preference. And yes, you can still get serious work done with CS5, but Adobe has been forcing people to upgrade for years with their crippling of ACR on older versions. It's one reason I have come to loathe that company, even though I do use their software. I held on using CS6 as long as I could until I had to upgrade. I tried Affinity, but certain tools just did not compare to Adobe. And I have used used Photoshop since version 2 - NOT CS2, but plain old 2, back in the mid 90s.
Anyway, YMMV, as we used to say.
Or Lightroom.
Or any of the other RAW converters out there. I'm a Photoshop guy, so that's just my preference. And yes, you can still get serious work done with CS5, but Adobe has been forcing people to upgrade for years with their crippling of ACR on older versions. It's one reason I have come to loathe that company, even though I do use their software. I held on using CS6 as long as I could until I had to upgrade. I tried Affinity, but certain tools just did not compare to Adobe. And I have used used Photoshop since version 2 - NOT CS2, but plain old 2, back in the mid 90s.
Anyway, YMMV, as we used to say.
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I use Capture One for raw conversion. But also work in Photoshop.
greenmanphoto
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calson
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Good time to cut the cord. Among the image editors that work fine with D850 RAW files are Affinity, DXO Optics Pro, ON1 Photo RAW, Luminar, Corel Paintshop Pro, Capture One, and Nikon's Capture NX-D.
For the last 12 years when I have a critical image file for a large print I will use Nikon software to do the RAW file conversion. I get a superior TIFF file to what I get using Adobe ACR.
Lacking a broadband internet connection where I live in Monterey the use of CC is not really an option and it has prevented others from using Lightroom when traveling with me in Costa Rica even with a 1.5 Mb/sec connection.
My workflow is more efficient without applications like Lightroom and Capture One that force one to load images into a database as the very first step before doing any browsing and culling.
For the last 12 years when I have a critical image file for a large print I will use Nikon software to do the RAW file conversion. I get a superior TIFF file to what I get using Adobe ACR.
Lacking a broadband internet connection where I live in Monterey the use of CC is not really an option and it has prevented others from using Lightroom when traveling with me in Costa Rica even with a 1.5 Mb/sec connection.
My workflow is more efficient without applications like Lightroom and Capture One that force one to load images into a database as the very first step before doing any browsing and culling.
Leonard Migliore
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I don't know about Lightroom CC, which is marketed as a "cloud-based" application but Lightroom Classic CC resides on my hard drive and is not dependent on a fast Internet connection; it just checks in with Adobe every so often to see if you're paid up. So it would certainly be usable in Monterey and probably in Costa Rica too.
But it doesn't matter if you don't like the results. That's why there's capitalism.
Leonard Shepherd
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If you subscribe to "The Cloud" at about $9 a month you get PhotoShop and both versions of Lightroom.
Lightroom Classic CC (the old Lightroom) resides on your computer, as does PhotoShop, and is used without an Internet connection.
The new version of Lightroom is primarily for mobile devices and therefore ideally needs a decent internet connection. It is much quicker and more intuitive to use, particularly on devices with a small screen though as yet it is not capable of many local adjustments possible with Classic CC.
As both versions of Lightroom are including in the subscription, a subscriber can choose to use one, the other, or both.
Leonard and to all those who replied to my original question...Thank You!!
I did not feel the need to interject myself into the conversation since it was evident others had interest and many good ways of solving this problem. I've worked with PS for many years and probably mastered about 15% of it...I tend to only learn what is needed for a particular task and usually forget how I did it all too quickly. I realize the cost of additional software is not a lot compared to the cost of the D850 however there are those of us who are retired from professional work,(weddings and newspaper), and have developed an appreciation for quality equipment , yet must save over several years to afford it. It is clear to me ,(again, thanks), there are a lot of options out there, some I haven't considered and some I am not familiar with. My tendency at this point is to try the different converters mentioned and stay with my old PS5 which does more than needed yet still feel comfortable with. (I am NOT a fan of the Adobe business model) ! I wonder if anyone has done any comparison studies on the maintaining of image quality among the various converters or is that too subjective to be of merit?
I did not feel the need to interject myself into the conversation since it was evident others had interest and many good ways of solving this problem. I've worked with PS for many years and probably mastered about 15% of it...I tend to only learn what is needed for a particular task and usually forget how I did it all too quickly. I realize the cost of additional software is not a lot compared to the cost of the D850 however there are those of us who are retired from professional work,(weddings and newspaper), and have developed an appreciation for quality equipment , yet must save over several years to afford it. It is clear to me ,(again, thanks), there are a lot of options out there, some I haven't considered and some I am not familiar with. My tendency at this point is to try the different converters mentioned and stay with my old PS5 which does more than needed yet still feel comfortable with. (I am NOT a fan of the Adobe business model) ! I wonder if anyone has done any comparison studies on the maintaining of image quality among the various converters or is that too subjective to be of merit?
ImageAmateur
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If you look (and search for raw converters) on the Retouching Forum here on DPR, there have been many comparison between the raw converters.
Mainly comparing DXO, Capture One and Lightroom (ACR).
But others too.
Main thing is to remember what you need and not get overwhelmed by the volume of information.
Good Luck.
For example.
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greenmanphoto
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Piknklik,
Someone else posted this on another, similar thread, and you might find it useful.
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petapixel.com
Sam
Thanks...some pretty costly programs and the quality seems pretty variable. Just found this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/ufraw/
Thanks...The amount of variables in the camera alone are overwhelming! 
I shot my personal photography mostly with a Leica M3 for 50 years and am amazed the quantity of ways the camera can be configured...I set it to pinhole mode ! There are some clear winners in the set of 10, assuming all things are equal...Too bad they didnt include the Adobe DNG converter and the Nikon converter for comparison ...
I shot my personal photography mostly with a Leica M3 for 50 years and am amazed the quantity of ways the camera can be configured...I set it to pinhole mode ! There are some clear winners in the set of 10, assuming all things are equal...Too bad they didnt include the Adobe DNG converter and the Nikon converter for comparison ...Similar threads
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