6DmkII is not the problem - it's us!

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Don't blame the company for something that we encouraged and allowed them to do!
It applies to every brand out there, not just Canon!

The problem is not the 6DmkII - it's only the result of a problem that we kept nourishing instead of getting rid off.
And namely, being apologists, fanboys, and masters in finding every possible and ridiculous excuse to pay for the favorite brand.
The apologists are subconscious snake oil salesmen - they are not only dangerous for themselves but to all the newbies who only need that sugarcoated advice as a trigger for a decision they have already made.

It has nothing to do with the 4k, DR, Motion JPEG or whatever - it has everything to do with our wrong approach so far.
We've created the 6DmkII, not Canon!
They're just like predators who feed upon naivety and uncontrollable impulses.

Stop blaming the result, it won't change! Aim at the cause.
If you think there is something wrong with the camera, ask yourself: what led to that; where did it start. You're about to be surprised!

We have been so stupid so that we have created concepts with which to justify everything which is wrong. If there's a problem with a cheap model - it's because it's an entry level; if it's a flagship - the pros don't need this and don't care about that. And we keep using those sedatives to make us feel better for a while, and thus lumping all kinds of different people into simplified and comfortable stereotypes.
And Canon are well aware of it. They are neither stupid nor they're smoke something.
You are!

Seriously, what did you expect 6DmkII to be? And based on what deduction?!
Blaming it on something "out there" says to your mind: there is nothing you can do. And the "out there" responds accordingly. So stop crying over DR charts and do something to change it!

It will still sell like a hotcakes may be a scary thought, but there is a fix!
Don't buy the damn camera!
Stop yourself. Quit being a mindless apologist and a compulsive buyer - give em a lesson instead of another opportunity to screw you over again with the next model.
Because if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect different result... well... it's not the camera!
 
I think it's fine to be a brand loyal fanboy... but don't positively reinforce what you think are bad decisions. Hold out and buy the gear that you agree with. If that means you save a couple of thousand dollars and hold out, so be it. If you think the gear is "good enough" for you, buy it and keep your gripes to yourself. Nothing tells a company they made a mistake like low sales figures.

BTW, this is not a jab at the 6D2. I don't think it made a lot of sense, but I don't think it's a bad camera.
 
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The 6DII is the right camera for this time for its target market. Remember, it is designed to be a consumer/enthusiast camera. It's not suppose to have dual-card slots. And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time. Available content is small. Prices are high. There are few inexpensive options. When polled, most people are happy with their 2K hardware. And when asked, the improved resolution simply is not compelling for the average viewer. That same "average" photographer will have little use for 4K. And it's not as if adding 4K is the same as adding "auto ISO" or some other software function that doesn't contribute significantly to the cost of a camera. 4K has some pretty good hardware requirements, especially, it would seem, at full frame. When even the top-tier Sonys are overheating, it seems a bit much for Canon to just in full-frame 4K in their lowest full-frame model.
 
I fear you misunderstand the meaning of " yin and yang" amongst other things. :-(
 
Edit: mashwader, my comment was aimed at the OP and not you. I thought I was responding to them.
 
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You know that you'll have nagging doubt and someone else will buy so resisting is futile. You'll cave in and buy too, Canon assimilation is imminent. :-P
 
When a topic such as this one is created, everyone responds thus creating more demand for these types of postings.

Although I've already done it, Don't respond to this damn thread!
Stop yourself. Quit being a mindless apologist and a compulsive poster- give em a lesson instead of another opportunity to screw you over again with the next topic.
 
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph! Get over yourself.

David
 
Don't blame the company for something that we encouraged and allowed them to do!
It applies to every brand out there, not just Canon!

The problem is not the 6DmkII - it's only the result of a problem that we kept nourishing instead of getting rid off.
And namely, being apologists, fanboys, and masters in finding every possible and ridiculous excuse to pay for the favorite brand.
The apologists are subconscious snake oil salesmen - they are not only dangerous for themselves but to all the newbies who only need that sugarcoated advice as a trigger for a decision they have already made.

It has nothing to do with the 4k, DR, Motion JPEG or whatever - it has everything to do with our wrong approach so far.
We've created the 6DmkII, not Canon!
Sorry but Canon din't ask for my input.
They're just like predators who feed upon naivety and uncontrollable impulses.

Stop blaming the result, it won't change! Aim at the cause.
If you think there is something wrong with the camera, ask yourself: what led to that; where did it start. You're about to be surprised!

We have been so stupid so that we have created concepts with which to justify everything which is wrong. If there's a problem with a cheap model - it's because it's an entry level; if it's a flagship - the pros don't need this and don't care about that. And we keep using those sedatives to make us feel better for a while, and thus lumping all kinds of different people into simplified and comfortable stereotypes.
And Canon are well aware of it. They are neither stupid nor they're smoke something.
You are!

Seriously, what did you expect 6DmkII to be? And based on what deduction?!
Blaming it on something "out there" says to your mind: there is nothing you can do. And the "out there" responds accordingly. So stop crying over DR charts and do something to change it!

It will still sell like a hotcakes may be a scary thought, but there is a fix!
Don't buy the damn camera!
Easy enough.
Stop yourself. Quit being a mindless apologist and a compulsive buyer - give em a lesson instead of another opportunity to screw you over again with the next model.
Because if you keep doing the same thing over and over again, and expect different result... well... it's not the camera!
Agreed. Canon has been taking advantage of the fact that there are a lot of people out there with expensive Canon glass who don't want to go thru the trouble to switch. i'm one of the aforementioned, but my patience is wearing thin.
 
And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time.
This is a $2K camera. For most they want that investment to last long time. I could care less about video myself as it just isn't what I am interested in. However I've had a $4K TV for over a year. I'm not an early adopter either. They've been out for a long while. You can buy $500 4K interchangeable camera right now. It is just software. Sorry but Canon just is just trying to upsell to even more expensive models. That's it plain and simple.
 
I did not buy a Canon after the 5D I, so obviously I cannot be made responsible for any issue in regards to Canons actual product policy. :-)

Just relax. The 6D II will sell. That is all that matters ...
 
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For a camera with 5-year long replacement cycle, using a 5-year old sensor technology is a joke. An entry-level APS-C SL2 has better dynamic range??
It's almost as if Canon could just not release 6dii at all but instead drop 5div price a bit to make it mass market because it is obvious they want to sell 5div not 6dii.
 
And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time.
This is a $2K camera. For most they want that investment to last long time. I could care less about video myself as it just isn't what I am interested in. However I've had a $4K TV for over a year. I'm not an early adopter either. They've been out for a long while. You can buy $500 4K interchangeable camera right now. It is just software. Sorry but Canon just is just trying to upsell to even more expensive models. That's it plain and simple.
I recently bought a 4k TV and seeing the difference it makes in clarity has bumped up the desire to shoot 4k video quite a bit for me. Having this feature in my next major camera purchase will be fairly important.
 
And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time.
This is a $2K camera. For most they want that investment to last long time. I could care less about video myself as it just isn't what I am interested in. However I've had a $4K TV for over a year. I'm not an early adopter either. They've been out for a long while. You can buy $500 4K interchangeable camera right now. It is just software. Sorry but Canon just is just trying to upsell to even more expensive models. That's it plain and simple.
I recently bought a 4k TV and seeing the difference it makes in clarity has bumped up the desire to shoot 4k video quite a bit for me. Having this feature in my next major camera purchase will be fairly important.
B&H has a deal on the C200:

 
And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time.
This is a $2K camera. For most they want that investment to last long time. I could care less about video myself as it just isn't what I am interested in. However I've had a $4K TV for over a year. I'm not an early adopter either. They've been out for a long while. You can buy $500 4K interchangeable camera right now. It is just software. Sorry but Canon just is just trying to upsell to even more expensive models. That's it plain and simple.
I recently bought a 4k TV and seeing the difference it makes in clarity has bumped up the desire to shoot 4k video quite a bit for me. Having this feature in my next major camera purchase will be fairly important.
B&H has a deal on the C200:
This would be like going back to the days of carrying around a VHS recorder. The competition is leaving Canon in the dust regarding ILC video capability.
 
And frankly, it has no business with 4K, either. The consumer market is simply not 4K-compatible yet. While growing in popularity with public content creators, 4K has very little home saturation at this time.
This is a $2K camera. For most they want that investment to last long time. I could care less about video myself as it just isn't what I am interested in. However I've had a $4K TV for over a year. I'm not an early adopter either. They've been out for a long while. You can buy $500 4K interchangeable camera right now. It is just software. Sorry but Canon just is just trying to upsell to even more expensive models. That's it plain and simple.
 

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