AF, 5d mark iv & 7d mark ii

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Does anyone own both the 5d mark iv and a 7d mark ii? I'm considering adding a 7d mark ii to my kit and I'm just wondering which camera has the edge when it comes to autofocus speed. I'm mainly considering the 7d because the crop can give me a bit more "reach" and the 10fps will come in handy shooting kids sports.
 
I own both and I think the 7dii is quicker and I find more keepers with fast moving action. I've only had the 5div for a couple months and haven't had much time using it. When I do nail focus, the result is noticeably better than the 7dii in color, contrast and DR. The "reach" gained by the crop sensor is easily negated by the 30mp in the 5div and the ability to crop zoom. I'm extremely pleased with the combination and the strengths of both cameras....an excellent combination. I like to carry 2 rigs to cover the 70 to 400mm focal lengths (or 640 if you consider the 1.6 factor). I've used the 7dii for a couple years and had the 7d for my 2nd body and the 5div is a huge step up.
 
Does anyone own both the 5d mark iv and a 7d mark ii? I'm considering adding a 7d mark ii to my kit and I'm just wondering which camera has the edge when it comes to autofocus speed. I'm mainly considering the 7d because the crop can give me a bit more "reach" and the 10fps will come in handy shooting kids sports.
I have both cameras and it is a tough choice for me when it comes to shooting kids sports. 5D4 certainly produces better pictures, even in good light, the AF is fantastic, pics look sharper, better colors, obviously 5D4 is amazing in low-light. in general I get more keepers with 5d4. However 7d2 got 10 FPS and 10 FPS offers a huge advantage over 7FPS of 5D4 when shooting real fast action . I think 7d2 is a better camera to capture fast-moving content that 5d4.

In fact, I sometimes even prefer 7d2 over 5d4 when shooting kids group photos as I get more chances of getting a nice shot of each child.

I just came back from a kid's party shooting a bunch of kids playing on a trampoline. I had both of my cameras but ended up using 7d2 because I was missing a lot of good shots with 5d4.
 
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Thanks folks, I have ordered a 7d ii and am looking forward to getting used to it.
 
hey scriv, i'm curious which cameras you had before you added the 7D2?

5D4 and 7D2 sound like a good combination, but for myself I'm debating between one or the other... coming from a 5D2.
 
I had a 5d mk iii, I upgraded that to a 5d mk iv, and have now added a 7d mk ii.
 
hey scriv, i'm curious which cameras you had before you added the 7D2?

5D4 and 7D2 sound like a good combination, but for myself I'm debating between one or the other... coming from a 5D2.
I came from the 5d2 and 7d. I also was considering the 7d2 but chose the 5d4. While you can't go wrong with the 7d2 I think you'll like the 5d4 much more. IMHO.





Taken a few days ago with the 5d4 and 100-400II. This is a 100% crop so the reach is equal and the speed and autofocus is all there.
 

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For someone who has not yet purchased either of these cameras yet but is planning on doing so, the 1DX Mark 2 with a 1.4 teleconverter should also be considered as a one body solution. Once you the math of the 7D Mark 2 with grip and the 5D Mark IV with grip, the combined price compared to the 1DX Mark 2 with 1.4 teleconverter is tolerable.
 
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For someone who has not yet purchased either of these cameras yet but is planning on doing so, the 1DX Mark 2 with a 1.4 teleconverter should also be considered as a one body solution. Once you the math of the 7D Mark 2 with grip and the 5D Mark IV with grip, the combined price compared to the 1DX Mark 2 with 1.4 teleconverter is tolerable.
Very good point. If I was to do it again, I'd go this route.
 
I own both and I think the 7dii is quicker and I find more keepers with fast moving action. I've only had the 5div for a couple months and haven't had much time using it. When I do nail focus, the result is noticeably better than the 7dii in color, contrast and DR. The "reach" gained by the crop sensor is easily negated by the 30mp in the 5div and the ability to crop zoom. I'm extremely pleased with the combination and the strengths of both cameras....an excellent combination. I like to carry 2 rigs to cover the 70 to 400mm focal lengths (or 640 if you consider the 1.6 factor). I've used the 7dii for a couple years and had the 7d for my 2nd body and the 5div is a huge step up.
Yeah I'll have to try without the 1.4 III and see how it crops. I have been using it with my C exclusively. I have noticed with the TC it AF is about a second slower than my 7D2 without.
 
For someone who has not yet purchased either of these cameras yet but is planning on doing so, the 1DX Mark 2 with a 1.4 teleconverter should also be considered as a one body solution. Once you the math of the 7D Mark 2 with grip and the 5D Mark IV with grip, the combined price compared to the 1DX Mark 2 with 1.4 teleconverter is tolerable.
For most amateurs/hobbyists looking for a single body solution, the 1dxii is seriously expensive. For those who like multiple bodies/lenses having a single body doesn't make sense.
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
That's my experience as well. Only the 1Dx2 AF is better and by the smallest of margins until you add a 2x tele.
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
That's my experience as well. Only the 1Dx2 AF is better and by the smallest of margins until you add a 2x tele.
Thanks to both of you for the info. I have yet to try it without the TC. There is another forum that has members saying the opposite.

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I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
That's my experience as well. Only the 1Dx2 AF is better and by the smallest of margins until you add a 2x tele.
What I don't like about the 7dmkii is the issue of AF consistency. The 5dmkiii suffers from this as well in the way that my 1dmkIV and 1dx never did. This manifests itself in a variety of ways but is most evident in shooting either a series of a moving subject or successive single shots. In the series, some images will be tack sharp and others not so much. When shooting a static subject with successive single shots, a similar pattern will emerge with some being in focus, others slightly OOF. Purportedly the 5dmkIV AF upgrade puts its AF capabilities closer to the 1d series.
 
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I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
The only issue I find with this is that it doesn't fit my experience with my 7D2 which I have been shooting with since November 2014. The AF is not twitchy. Also, I have been shooting with the 5D4 this week (from Canon CPS) and I don't find the AF yield any higher. In fact, since all the AF squares are crammed into the center compared to those on the 7D2, the hit rate might be lower. The IQ on the 5D4 is great though and compared to my 6D, the 5D4 is certainly a big plus and worth adding to the kit. But I think there are those who have good 7D2 and there are those who don't, and thus it depends, when comparing to the 5D4. Certainly, if you don't have or want a 600mm f/4, the 7D2 (if it works) is a worthy option since you can get the 100-400 m2 or the 400 f/4 DO2 as to use with the 7D2.
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
The only issue I find with this is that it doesn't fit my experience with my 7D2 which I have been shooting with since November 2014. The AF is not twitchy. Also, I have been shooting with the 5D4 this week (from Canon CPS) and I don't find the AF yield any higher. In fact, since all the AF squares are crammed into the center compared to those on the 7D2, the hit rate might be lower. The IQ on the 5D4 is great though and compared to my 6D, the 5D4 is certainly a big plus and worth adding to the kit. But I think there are those who have good 7D2 and there are those who don't, and thus it depends, when comparing to the 5D4. Certainly, if you don't have or want a 600mm f/4, the 7D2 (if it works) is a worthy option since you can get the 100-400 m2 or the 400 f/4 DO2 as to use with the 7D2.
While I'll grant that there are some number of 7D2's that AF is an issue I have not read anywhere that the 7D2 AF is the equal of the 1Dx or 1Dx2. On the other side there are many who consider the 5D4 AF the equal of the 1Dx2 other than FPS and with a 2xtele attached.

If those two scenarios are correct the 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4. I think many are enamoured with the 10fps of the 7D2 and somehow equate that to better AF.

I have a 7d2, 5D4 and 1Dx2 and had a 1Dx. My 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4 in either accuracy or keeper rate. (BIF, aircraft and race vehicles.)
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
The only issue I find with this is that it doesn't fit my experience with my 7D2 which I have been shooting with since November 2014. The AF is not twitchy. Also, I have been shooting with the 5D4 this week (from Canon CPS) and I don't find the AF yield any higher. In fact, since all the AF squares are crammed into the center compared to those on the 7D2, the hit rate might be lower. The IQ on the 5D4 is great though and compared to my 6D, the 5D4 is certainly a big plus and worth adding to the kit. But I think there are those who have good 7D2 and there are those who don't, and thus it depends, when comparing to the 5D4. Certainly, if you don't have or want a 600mm f/4, the 7D2 (if it works) is a worthy option since you can get the 100-400 m2 or the 400 f/4 DO2 as to use with the 7D2.
While I'll grant that there are some number of 7D2's that AF is an issue I have not read anywhere that the 7D2 AF is the equal of the 1Dx or 1Dx2. On the other side there are many who consider the 5D4 AF the equal of the 1Dx2 other than FPS and with a 2xtele attached.
Who said anything about the 7D2 AF being the equal to the 1Dx? I am not responding here to the OP but to the poster saying there is some twitchy business with the 7D2s AF as though it is a known fact or something. It is not. In any case, I'm not making any statement about 7D2 being better than 1Dx 1 or 2.
If those two scenarios are correct the 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4. I think many are enamoured with the 10fps of the 7D2 and somehow equate that to better AF.
What? Please provide some data that shows without doubt that that 5D4's AF is better than that of the 7D2. The 7D2 provides wide coverage of its frame while the 5D4 does not. 4 and 8 point expansion and the other modes cover less of the frame. This equates to making it harder to get focus squares on moving subjects. In my mind that doesn't make them better at all... there certainly could be other factors like CPU speed and such, but on the surface, other than price, there isn't any convincing evidence to suggest that the more expensive bodies have better AF.
I have a 7d2, 5D4 and 1Dx2 and had a 1Dx. My 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4 in either accuracy or keeper rate. (BIF, aircraft and race vehicles.)
This is your opinion, but perhaps you have a flakey 7D2. I used the 1Dx2 earlier this year and I didn't find myself overly impressed with its focus tracking in comparison to the 7D2...it felt very much like the 7D2 but with faster FPS. In fact, the frames are so different in terms of coverage that I find it difficult to even make a realistic comparison. Also, after reading claims on these forums I'm finding it hard to trust people to just claim - without proof - that accuracy and hit rate are better, especially for large objects like aircraft and vehicles.

Since you own these more expensive bodies perhaps you have some need within yourself to believe they offer better AF. Frankly, I too "expect" the AF to be better in the more expensive bodies, but from my use so far, I'm certainly not at all convinced of it. I hope like heck it is true though as I'm thinking of buying my next FF body....and I want some benefit for the extra cash (beyond IQ, I mean).
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Blake in Vancouver
Canon and Zeiss Stuff. Mac Stuff & annoying PC & Windows stuff.
 
I have both, I shoot birds and wildlife, and I'm thinking about selling the 7DII. If you are interested, check out birdphotographers.net and look for Arash Hezeghi's thoughts on the 5DIV vs 7DII. In short, the AF is far more reliable in the 5DIV. The 7DII is known to have a "twitchy" AF and in my short experience, the 5DIV AF yield far higher yield rate of in focus images.
The only issue I find with this is that it doesn't fit my experience with my 7D2 which I have been shooting with since November 2014. The AF is not twitchy. Also, I have been shooting with the 5D4 this week (from Canon CPS) and I don't find the AF yield any higher. In fact, since all the AF squares are crammed into the center compared to those on the 7D2, the hit rate might be lower. The IQ on the 5D4 is great though and compared to my 6D, the 5D4 is certainly a big plus and worth adding to the kit. But I think there are those who have good 7D2 and there are those who don't, and thus it depends, when comparing to the 5D4. Certainly, if you don't have or want a 600mm f/4, the 7D2 (if it works) is a worthy option since you can get the 100-400 m2 or the 400 f/4 DO2 as to use with the 7D2.
While I'll grant that there are some number of 7D2's that AF is an issue I have not read anywhere that the 7D2 AF is the equal of the 1Dx or 1Dx2. On the other side there are many who consider the 5D4 AF the equal of the 1Dx2 other than FPS and with a 2xtele attached.
Who said anything about the 7D2 AF being the equal to the 1Dx? I am not responding here to the OP but to the poster saying there is some twitchy business with the 7D2s AF as though it is a known fact or something. It is not. In any case, I'm not making any statement about 7D2 being better than 1Dx 1 or 2.
If those two scenarios are correct the 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4. I think many are enamoured with the 10fps of the 7D2 and somehow equate that to better AF.
What? Please provide some data that shows without doubt that that 5D4's AF is better than that of the 7D2. The 7D2 provides wide coverage of its frame while the 5D4 does not. 4 and 8 point expansion and the other modes cover less of the frame. This equates to making it harder to get focus squares on moving subjects. In my mind that doesn't make them better at all... there certainly could be other factors like CPU speed and such, but on the surface, other than price, there isn't any convincing evidence to suggest that the more expensive bodies have better AF.
I have a 7d2, 5D4 and 1Dx2 and had a 1Dx. My 7D2 AF is not the equal of the 5D4 in either accuracy or keeper rate. (BIF, aircraft and race vehicles.)
This is your opinion, but perhaps you have a flakey 7D2. I used the 1Dx2 earlier this year and I didn't find myself overly impressed with its focus tracking in comparison to the 7D2...it felt very much like the 7D2 but with faster FPS. In fact, the frames are so different in terms of coverage that I find it difficult to even make a realistic comparison. Also, after reading claims on these forums I'm finding it hard to trust people to just claim - without proof - that accuracy and hit rate are better, especially for large objects like aircraft and vehicles.

Since you own these more expensive bodies perhaps you have some need within yourself to believe they offer better AF. Frankly, I too "expect" the AF to be better in the more expensive bodies, but from my use so far, I'm certainly not at all convinced of it. I hope like heck it is true though as I'm thinking of buying my next FF body....and I want some benefit for the extra cash (beyond IQ, I mean).
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Blake in Vancouver
Canon and Zeiss Stuff. Mac Stuff & annoying PC & Windows stuff.
I have both 7d2 and 5d4 and I can't tell for sure if 5d4's AF is better I assume it is better simply because it is apparently similar on 1DX. However, I am not seeing any obvious differences when I use the cameras. I always thought it is very difficult to compare AF modes in general because most action is not easily reproducible.

I certainly miss the faster FPS feature on my 5d4. However, I do get a higher keeper rate with 5d4. In another words, I take a bunch of shots of my kids running around with 7d2 and then a bunch of shots with 5d4, then 5d4 shots are always sharper, more focused and look better in general. It is possible it is a placebo effect. It is also possible it is a function of other factors.
 
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