Olympus OM-D E-M1 II problems and free ex-warranty repairs

The reality was that right up until the final count, those relying on the polls were calling the results wrong.
The reality was that the average of the last dozen polls predicted a result that was within the margin of error, so only folk with no understanding of polling foibles were surpised
The numbers meant nothing, especially as they varied greatly, depending on who was producing the numbers.
That is why averaging out many polls and thus increasing the sample size is a more reliable way to predict a result.
Polls also depend on the questions asked, when they are asked and who they ask.
Of course but presumably the various polling organisations take these various factors into account. It is only deriving a prediction based on the data not guaranteeing a result. The same media assault on the pollsters came about in the UK 2015 general election when again the 3 percent margin of error came into being with Labour being 3% behind there predicted vote and the Conservatives 3% ahead of their predicted vote , so the result was within the model .
 
Olympus learned from other corporations to just blame others when dealing with shortfalls of their products. So for us to have them fixed, it is important to know which problems the camera has by design or bad manufacture.

Olympus cameras have over decades used a lug mount design that is likely to fail. Over a third of the owners of the OM-D E-M1 I who reported back had problems with strap lugs falling out, the rear dial failing or buttons loosening. Only 64% had no such problems:
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4074573

Despite the well documented design errors, Olympus usually charges customers for repairs after the first two years of the warranty have passed. Same with lenses falling apart where screws fall out of their plastic mount without big pressure. Some customers had success having Olympus acknowledge their responsibility for products defective by design and got the repair for free. If enough keep reporting, even a big corporation like Olympus can be shamed into honouring their contractual obligations.

Unfortunately the great flagship OM-D E-M1 II has problems with UHS II SDcards, blocking the camera until the battery is removed.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4095513

All Olympus does is blame Lexar, when Sandisk cards can not be reliably used either. There is more than one problem with their cheap card reader.
Lexar cards are defective - Olympus
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4092472

That Olympus just tried to squeeze out a few pennies more by selecting cheap components is obvious by their choice of only one UHS II compatible slot. Their new camera is supposedly all about speed, yet they cripple it when it comes to saving the pictures and video.

The E-M1 Mk II also has a problem with the SD-card door not closing properly and being loose, thus allowing water to enter, failing the weather sealing.
https://www.mu-43.com/threads/em1-mark-ii-is-a-beast.88453/page-10#post-965397
In one case, Olympus had a user send the camera back for an exchange, not a repair.
https://www.mu-43.com/threads/em1-mark-ii-is-a-beast.88453/page-9#post-963761

It would be great if Olympus could own up and stand behind their products like a man.
They should fix any problems resulting from cheap low quality parts for free. Their evading behaviour is counterproductive and causes people to doubt the reliability and production quality standards and stop buying their products.

So please, report problems from bad design and sub-standard manufacturing here to help others.

Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm F2.8 PRO MFT lens mount broken off plastic base
Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm F2.8 PRO MFT lens mount broken off plastic base
Re: Stuff is falling apart
I just got back from a vacation to New Zealand. I of course took my Oly gear. During the trip the metal ring on the 12-40 lens hood fell off......no big deal I thought, just tape it back on. Then with a few days left on the trip I go to put the strap on the camera......hey.......no strap lug (very annoying but unfortunately a common problem).
To top it off I take the camera out of the bag and something doesn't feel right.......oh yeah, that would be the 12-40 lens mount that is broken and the screws are pulled out of the body.
Glad I have "PRO" gear.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4090363
The 12-40mm having issues as described by the OP is a well reported issue with the lens...in fact it's one of the main reasons I haven't picked up the lens.
Have never heard Olympus come forward with a statement of yes it's an issue and yes we've fixed it in later batches.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4090363?page=4#forum-post-58792639
The screws go into plastic, and the connection can snap off without much force.
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4090363?page=4#forum-post-58794971
Does Olympus Quietly Fix Potential Issues Under Ext Warranty Cleaning?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4071545
Workaround for em-1 rear dial issue
If one gets broken by the design then I demand the repair even outside of the warranty and in Finland that happens as I can show it is not just one unit but a common thing!
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4079056#forum-post-58651491
Strap Lug Failure - what's the warranty situation?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4093679

Re: Swivel Screen Plastic Housing Is Not Totally Horizontally Aligned?
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4092748?page=3#forum-post-58831021
Greg's Olympus E-M1 burnt viewfinder syndrome
Following up showed that this is a known defect in the camera design: if the viewfinder eyepiece adjustment is set to +2 dioptres, it only takes one second to burn a hole in the viewfinder fabric, as these photos by Daniel Bradley show:
I like the E-M1, but my goodwill towards Olympus is wearing thin.
http://lemis.com/grog/photography/E-M1-Viewfinder.php
What you need to know about warranty laws
You have more rights than you might think
http://consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2013/05/the-word-on-warranty-protection/
The Uniform Commercial Code, a set of laws adopted in much the same form by all states and the District of Columbia, provides an automatic “implied warranty of merchantability.” That unwritten protection guarantees that consumer products are free of substantial defects and will function properly for a reasonable period of time. What’s “reasonable” depends on the type of product and the amount you paid. States typically limit implied warranties to four years. They apply to products you buy from retailers that normally sell such items.

But here’s where it gets complicated: Most states allow companies to negate, or “disclaim,” the implied warranty by conspicuously disclosing that a product is being sold “as is” or “with all faults,” or by simply stating there’s no implied warranty. And manufacturer warranties typically do just that. “In my opinion, every warranty you see is taking away rights you would otherwise have,” says Richard Alderman, director of the University of Houston’s consumer law center.

Eleven states (Connecticut, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Mississippi, New Hampshire, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia) and the District of Columbia prohibit consumer products from being sold “as is.” In some of those states, stores can still sell items without implied warranties if they follow strict requirements, such as telling the customer exactly what’s wrong with the product or by selling the item as a factory second.

States take these laws seriously. Last year, Maine reached a settlement with a new-car dealer that it accused of disclaiming implied warranties by telling consumers that only the manufacturer, not the dealership, was responsible for serious vehicle defects. The implied warranty also applies to most used goods sold by merchants, including used cars in some states.

And last, the federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits companies from disclaiming implied warranties during any period that its written warranty or any service contract is in effect.

What you should do. If you discover that something you bought is defective—even after the written warranty has expired—contact the retailer and manufacturer to ask for a repair, replacement, or refund. It doesn’t matter what the retailer’s return policy is or that the manufacturer put a notice on the box telling you not to return the item to the store.

Don’t expect a salesperson or customer service representative to know about these extra rights. To get satisfaction, you might have to go up the corporate ladder or post your complaint online.
Troll thread

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Wow, your post really smells like a paid hatchet job against Olympus. You've been a member of this forum for only a little over two months, no photos in a gallery, no equipment list, and you've gone to extreme lengths to compile this rant against Olympus. Truly suspicious and ugly, IMO.

DISCLAIMER: I'm primarily a Panasonic user though I've owned Oly lenses, and I've also posted my own concerns about some Oly QC issues, like lugs falling off. Still, despite those problems, I respect Olympus for their micro four thirds contributions and products.

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Brent
So you are entitled to post issues about Olympus QC issues { all companies have them I am not pointing at Olympus } but no one else ? There is indeed a very ugly side of this forum where a group of Olympus users attack any and every possible slight of their beloved brand. Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread . Perhaps had you owned one of these cameras with an issue you would not be quite so keen to attack the messenger

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Jim I am Sam I am not
 
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Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread .
Why do you always attack Olympus DSLR users? Have you conducted a poll to verify that your assertions are correct?

And I might point out that your view of polls, margin of error etc, is irrelevant. Take Brexit as an example, many people (especially the young who were too busy virtue signalling) just didn't bother to vote because they believed the polls were in their favour ie Remain.

That's the reality of polls, they usually give a false impression, especially when biased pollsters (which they often are) give overly bright results.

"The polls really showed a close-in contest until the very end," Cohen clarified. "But I think we still need to dig in on what happened in those final days to show such a strong movement for Remain that ultimately dissipated on election day."

The inaccurate Brexit prediction is just one of multiple misses over recent years, including last year's U.K. general election, the Scottish referendum in 2014 and most recently during Bernie Sanders' upset over Hillary Clinton during the Michigan primary.
 
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Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread .
Why do you always attack Olympus DSLR users? Have you conducted a poll to verify that your assertions are correct?
One need only take a look at any thread where you and your fellow refugees from the Olympus DSLR forum appear in numbers for this to be made crystal clear. Obviously this does not apply to all former Olympus DSLR owners but there are unfortunately far too many of you to whom it does.

This forum was a far more civil plaice before you all parachuted in and have tried to wreak the kind of havoc that made the DSLR forum such a joke. Not so easy in a forum with users of other brands and this clearly upsets you all , hence why your group are always the ones looking for a separate forum.

Pity all those predictions and declarations made about the E-7 never came to pass
 
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Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread .
Why do you always attack Olympus DSLR users? Have you conducted a poll to verify that your assertions are correct?
One need only take a look at any thread where you and your fellow refugees from the Olympus DSLR forum appear in numbers for this to be made crystal clear. Obviously this does not apply to all former Olympus DSLR owners but there are unfortunately far too many of you to whom it does.

This forum was a far more civil plaice before you all parachuted in and have tried to wreak the kind of havoc that made the DSLR forum such a joke. Not so easy in a forum with users of other brands and this clearly upsets you all , hence why your group are always the ones looking for a separate forum.

Pity all those predictions and declarations made about the E-7 never came to pass
Thank you for your civil response.

So you resent the 4/3 deplorables soiling your forum? It's people like you that promote and reinforce the idea that a separation is for the best. That would allow you and those who think like you to enjoy the pleasantries that you yearn.

It's likely why the Olympus DSLR forum discussions are almost fully about m4/3 cameras; it gives them respite from the usual bagging by the civil individuals that reside here.

But nothing will change unless someone keeps hammering home the point and there most certainly is no deficiency of nails being provided to keep the hammering in progress. :)
 
So you are entitled to post issues about Olympus QC issues { all companies have them I am not pointing at Olympus } but no one else ? There is indeed a very ugly side of this forum where a group of Olympus users attack any and every possible slight of their beloved brand. Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread . Perhaps had you owned one of these cameras with an issue you would not be quite so keen to attack the messenger
Anyone can post whatever they like, including me posting my reaction that this particular OP has gone to lengths that raise questions about his motivations, at least in my mind.

I think mine was a legitimate response. You seem to think that it is inappropriate for Oly fanboys to come to Oly's defense, and, equally, that it is inappropriate for someone who has never owned an OLY MFT body (me) to question the OP's motives. So I guess everyone must remain silent? Oh, wait, not you, right?
 
Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread .
Why do you always attack Olympus DSLR users? Have you conducted a poll to verify that your assertions are correct?
One need only take a look at any thread where you and your fellow refugees from the Olympus DSLR forum appear in numbers for this to be made crystal clear. Obviously this does not apply to all former Olympus DSLR owners but there are unfortunately far too many of you to whom it does.

This forum was a far more civil plaice before you all parachuted in and have tried to wreak the kind of havoc that made the DSLR forum such a joke. Not so easy in a forum with users of other brands and this clearly upsets you all , hence why your group are always the ones looking for a separate forum.
You're kidding, right? Maybe it was "far more civil" around here in the first year or two, but there's nothing going on now that wasn't happening six years ago. If anything, it's a kinder, gentler place today. Don't believe me? Gaze upon the works of Tedolf, King of Trolls if you want to see how 1041 rolled in the Before Times.

I've strongly disagreed with Ray about splitting the forum, but I have no ill will towards him. We discussed it, came out on opposite sides, and called it a day; not a single insult hurled. When I see someone mention using 4/3 lenses here, it's usually a post from an experienced photographer with more to offer than the typical member, myself included. If Ray is the measure of an Olympus DSLR "refugee", we're in luck.
Pity all those predictions and declarations made about the E-7 never came to pass
Goodness me, that wasn't very civil!
 
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So you are entitled to post issues about Olympus QC issues { all companies have them I am not pointing at Olympus } but no one else ? There is indeed a very ugly side of this forum where a group of Olympus users attack any and every possible slight of their beloved brand. Most of them hailing from the Olympus DSLR days and as usual they are out in force in this thread . Perhaps had you owned one of these cameras with an issue you would not be quite so keen to attack the messenger
Anyone can post whatever they like, including me posting my reaction that this particular OP has gone to lengths that raise questions about his motivations, at least in my mind.

I think mine was a legitimate response. You seem to think that it is inappropriate for Oly fanboys to come to Oly's defense, and, equally, that it is inappropriate for someone who has never owned an OLY MFT body (me) to question the OP's motives. So I guess everyone must remain silent? Oh, wait, not you, right?
 
That response almost made me put my hammer away; but I think I'll keep it on hand, because I know it will be called into use. ;)
 
Jim, as you repeat this very tired old stuff for the thousandth (?) time ...

You really need to get your stuck record fixed, or you will place yourself in the laughing stocks next to the sanctimonious fool who has also posted in this thread ...

Talking of 'refugees from the Olympus dSLR forum', I seem to recall you spending a very large amount of time there ...

Have a happy new year, Jim.
It's got to be better for you (and everyone else) than having another unhappy one ... ;-) :-D .
 
That response almost made me put my hammer away; but I think I'll keep it on hand, because I know it will be called into use. ;)
SInce this astroturfed trainwreck started with the first post, I'm not concerned about wandering OT any more than the Oly DSLR Death Squad.

Maybe it's time for a provocative thread discussing the place of 4/3 users in a MFT world. That seems much more interesting than the yellow slamfest kicked off in the OP. Maybe you're really all a horde of deplorables, cast adrift by an uncaring company that has never made a decent strap lug, destined to wander the photo world, dragging excessively large camera bags filled with exceedingly sharp lenses that lack AF speed.
 
Jim, as you repeat this very tired old stuff for the thousandth (?) time ...

You really need to get your stuck record fixed, or you will place yourself in the laughing stocks next to the sanctimonious fool who has also posted in this thread ...

Talking of 'refugees from the Olympus dSLR forum', I seem to recall you spending a very large amount of time there ...

Have a happy new year, Jim.
It's got to be better for you (and everyone else) than having another unhappy one ... ;-) :-D .
savage
 
Jim, as you repeat this very tired old stuff for the thousandth (?) time ...

You really need to get your stuck record fixed, or you will place yourself in the laughing stocks next to the sanctimonious fool who has also posted in this thread ...

Talking of 'refugees from the Olympus dSLR forum', I seem to recall you spending a very large amount of time there ...

Have a happy new year, Jim.
It's got to be better for you (and everyone else) than having another unhappy one ... ;-) :-D .
savage
I'm trying ...

I'm still trying ...

Some say I'm very trying ... ;-) :-D
 
That response almost made me put my hammer away; but I think I'll keep it on hand, because I know it will be called into use. ;)
SInce this astroturfed trainwreck started with the first post, I'm not concerned about wandering OT any more than the Oly DSLR Death Squad.

Maybe it's time for a provocative thread discussing the place of 4/3 users in a MFT world. That seems much more interesting than the yellow slamfest kicked off in the OP. Maybe you're really all a horde of deplorables, cast adrift by an uncaring company that has never made a decent strap lug, destined to wander the photo world, dragging excessively large camera bags filled with exceedingly sharp lenses that lack AF speed.
I'm a deplorable and proud of it!

I've owned five different models of Olympus 4/3 cameras (still have two of them) and four different models of Olympus m4/3 cameras (still have all of them). I still own a Panasonic camera, but the dial is a bit flaky.

I'm gear agnostic, but when I find a brand that simply works for what I need, I stick to it. The same applies to my vehicles, PC, mobile phones etc. Nothing is perfect, but when you become totally familiar and confident with your equipment, the imperfections don't matter.
 
Funny, I have been using Olympus products for more years than I care to count with nary a problem. I have no doubt there are problems out there, but this thread is just another manufacturer thrashing, as others have already pointed out.

One can only imagine the quality of images the OP would produce if the OP spent as much time shooting as in attacking. The OP needs a dousing of flame retardant.
 
Umm, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with the weathersealing in the E-M1ii whatsoever. I've tested that aspect a lot actually and my camera is perfectly fine.
 
Funny, I have been using Olympus products for more years than I care to count with nary a problem. I have no doubt there are problems out there, but this thread is just another manufacturer thrashing, as others have already pointed out.
Manufacturer thrashing? Poor, poor Olympus! Why is it that when Olympus gets thrashed, people such as yourself are the first ones to feel it? There are a good number of you who simply cannot abide the sacred name of Olympus being disparaged in any way. In fact even in the absence of manufacturer abuse you can be found saying things like "we think the price of the EM1ii is far too LOW", "the 510 with kit lenses far surpasses the quality of Full Frame ", "Olympus mft has diplomatic immunity and as such is NOT governed by those laws of physics described by Equivalence..."
One can only imagine the quality of images the OP would produce if the OP spent as much time shooting as in attacking.
What if you were to invest the same time in shooting as in attacking the OP? Mind you, I'm not referring solely to you, but to all whom the shoe fits.

That does seem to be the standard advice given when anyone dares make a comment deemed negative towards poor poor Olympus
The OP needs a dousing of flame retardant.
He ain't the only one.

Robert
 
my observations . . .

1. My card door has loosened considerably with camera use. I can feel a slight movement in the door every time I grab the camera grip, or shift my grip slightly to operate the control wheels or buttons.

2. IMO the card door is poorly designed. Given that it contains only SD cards it's a large door. The GH5 is better designed with the SD slots overlapping rather than in tandem.

The downside of this is that the door extends up into the raised section of the grip - the portion under your thumb where a lot of your hand grip pressure is applied. Because the card door forms a part of this raised section of the grip the door is subject to constant pressure by your hand when gripping the camera, which is greater the heavier the attached lens. The tiny plastic latches that keep the door shut are therefore more likely to be stressed and subject to abbrasion and deform/wear slightly over time.

I have had the ZD300mm f/2.8 on the camera for a few weeks. it's a heavy lens requiring a good firm grip on the camera, so the problem for me is pronounced.

3. The weather seal for the SD ports is not around the edges of the door. A slight movement in the door should therefore not affect the weather sealing. The seal is actually close-in around the SD ports, and the width of the rubber seal insert is larger than the play in the card door, so while there will be movement in the closed door the plastic ridge on the door should remain in contact with the recessed rubber around the SD ports.

4. At this time I find the slight door movement annoying as it gives the impression of a flimsy cheap plastic component not comensurate with a quality product. My concern is that it will get worse and eventually the door latch will fail.

Peter
 

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