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Canon 1 D Mark IV or Canon 7D Mark II to shot volleyball

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Did you edit the photos to decrease the ISO, or not? Very good pictures , considering the ISO! Thanks a lot!!

Carlos Leão
 
Carlosleao said:
Hello.

I´m a indoor sport photographer . I have take professional volleyball pictures during 4 years with my Canon 6D that has now 119.000 shots. To save it, i´ve decided to buy another camera.

I´ve bought a 80D in June, however i ´ve sold it yesterday, because the camera has a very slow focus when is inside a pavillion to shot volleyball , basket or other indoor sports. The picture quality disappointed me a lot, especially the ISO noise above 4000… It´s a great camera to recording vídeos, but i don´t care about it…

I was told that to shot volleyball, i would go for a Canon 1 D Mark IV (in second hand), or a new Canon 7D Mark 2. So here is my question- I want a camera with fast autofocus, great iso performance above 4000, and specially GREAT IMAGE QUALITY as my Canon 6D that has no iso noise, even at ISO 6400 in indoor sports. The arena where i take the volleyball shots, has a poor light…

I send 3 links where you can see the pictures that i´ve taken with the 80D, that i really don´t like. I want better quality that these images.

If you can help me in my doubts, it would be great!

Thanks a lot.

Carlos Leão

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/s...9DCYaXk0WA91aZwBU4?ref_=cd_ph_share_link_copy

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/s...pJNdTATTiyLyx5Wzov?ref_=cd_ph_share_link_copy

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/s...zlhdUT4rjJLuTdGrgw?ref_=cd_ph_share_link_copy
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As mentioned by ffabricci, for low light indoor sports, the 1DX, (or ver II) or 5Div are your best choices. The 1DX is a sports camera and great for low light. I have the 1DIv and 7D2 and would not even think of using them at such high ISO's. If I'm going to shoot in low light, I grab the 1DX.

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https://www.flickr.com/photos/128728392@N05/
 
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Carlosleao said:
Did you edit the photos to decrease the ISO, or not? Very good pictures , considering the ISO! Thanks a lot!!

Carlos Leão
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Yes,

I just apply "60" sharpening and "30" noise reduction when importing them into light room because I shoot raw. I shoot raw just in case I get something really good and want to do some serious editing. But aside from that I do not do a great deal aside from apply a canon faithful colour profile.

I am not sure why it did not appear in my previous post, but I did a bit of a review that may or may not be helpful: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4049538

I have done the same sort of shooting with the 5D4 and it is definitely better. But I doubt that the improvement justifies the extra cost.

As long as you stick to 6400 and under I think it's more than fine.
 
I guess moving to D500 is out of the question? I know 4 years of familiarity is tough to break. You could always rent any of the Canon bodies you mention, or Nikon bodies + lenses instead of the buy/resell cycle.
 
Why try to fit a round peg in square hole? I'm thinking 1DX (ver 1) or the 5D mark IV (both are pretty equal in price right now). The 5D mark IV takes it's auto focus systems from the 1DX Mark II. And having both bodies, I can say they are pretty equal in AF speed.

There are always trade offs. However I wouldn't go for an ASP-C sensor for indoor sports if you are used to the full frame goodness IQ of the 6D. 5D Mark III can do it too, but with a slower frame rate. We are just talking varying degrees of cost....

A professional violinist can play the crap out of a student violin, but why would he/she want to when they can have a Stradivarius.
 
Actually, how much is the used 1DIV? If it's not that far from an open box 5DIV, I'd go for the new model with improved noise penalty and AWB-W. It's a nice step up from my 6D, especially focusing.
 
Thanks for your answer. I have wasted lots of money in great Canon lenses in all these years, so my interest is always Canon.

Thanks a lot!

Carlos Leão
 
I recently was thinking this as well. I wanted to improve my capabilities to shoot indoor sports. I have had 1D3 for 7 years and wanted faster body with more reliable AF. I no longer get any money from shooting, so I did not want to spend much money. I got 89K shot 1D4 for 990€ and I will spend another 700-900€ to aquire 135L. 1DX runs 2200€(very very used) to 3200€ and buying 135L and 1D4 was better and cheaper option for me. DXO mark rates 1DIV ISO performance higher than 7D2.
 
Carlosleao said:
Hello.

I´m a indoor sport photographer . I have take professional volleyball pictures during 4 years with my Canon 6D that has now 119.000 shots. To save it, i´ve decided to buy another camera.

I was told that to shot volleyball, i would go for a Canon 1 D Mark IV (in second hand), or a new Canon 7D Mark 2. So here is my question- I want a camera with fast autofocus, great iso performance above 4000, and specially GREAT IMAGE QUALITY as my Canon 6D that has no iso noise, even at ISO 6400 in indoor sports. The arena where i take the volleyball shots, has a poor light…
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I don't shoot volleyball but mostly outdoor sports and airshow, a while back when i was looking for a camera to replace my 1D MK II, after shooting with both mentioned cameras I decided to go with the 1D IV, I like the overall control layout and ergonomics of the 1-series, also don't like the base ISO noise performance of the 7D2. So for me it was a really easy choice.

Another crazy idea, if you are not locked in with tens of thousands of dollars of those big Canon white lenses, give the Nikon D500 a look, call me crazy, I actually sold my 1DX after shooting with my new D500 for less than a month. I am dual system user so lens is never a issue I have tons of lens from both side after shooting both for over 25 years. that D500 is really really a serious sport camera, and did I mention the price? it's dirt cheap for what you are getting, I am saying that as a long time 1D user since film 1VHS to digital 1D2, 1D4, 1DX and D3 on the Nikon side, first time I consider a "none-Canon 1Series/Nikon D_ series a great sport camera.
 
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Another crazy idea, if you are not locked in with tens of thousands of dollars of those big Canon white lenses, give the Nikon D500 a look, call me crazy, I actually sold my 1DX after shooting with my new D500 for less than a month. I am dual system user so lens is never a issue I have tons of lens from both side after shooting both for over 25 years. that D500 is really really a serious sport camera, and did I mention the price? it's dirt cheap for what you are getting, I am saying that as a long time 1D user since film 1VHS to digital 1D2, 1D4, 1DX and D3 on the Nikon side, first time I consider a "none-Canon 1Series/Nikon D_ series a great sport camera.
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I was talking to a bird photographer in too darn windy 20 degree weather in the pacific northwest Tuesday. He is a long time Nikon user (started in '67), and he couldn't say enough about the focus system on his D500. He liked the D500 more than his previous Nikon bodies for bird photography, which does include flying birds. Small targets, high shutter speeds, sometimes high ISO. He said the focus tracking was stellar.

He did think that Canon's high ISO performance was better than Nikon contrary to all the hubbub going around. I have no first hand knowledge of the D500 noise quality, but he sure seemed to believe what he was saying. Since this thread is all about high ISO noise, could be the D500 isn't the right choice. I'm just passing along what another D500 user said.
 
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2 days ago, i used a D500 from a friend, and i really got amazed with this camera. I will keep with my Canon 6D for landscapes, but i really got crazy with the D500... I will see ... I already have 3 Canon Lenses, and it´s not easy to start with a different camera...

Thanks to everybody!


Carlos Carmo
 
My 5D IV works great for indoor volleyball. I am still figuring out the AF options as there are so many settings. 7 fps, high speed AF and anti-flicker works
 
gavin said:
My 5D IV works great for indoor volleyball. I am still figuring out the AF options as there are so many settings. 7 fps, high speed AF and anti-flicker works
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For volleyball you need a fast shutter speed (the ball goes fast) and a high frame rate (the ball goes fast). One good thing about a crop camera is that you could use a 135mm f2 wide open and double your shutter speed over an f2.8 lens. I miss that and I'm not going to buy a 200mm f2 just for volleyball.

Even with my 1DX blasting away it's hard to get a shock of someone spiking the ball so the faster you can shoot, the more good usable shots you'll get.

As for autofocus, for many shots I've given up on using it for volleyball. There's no way to shoot through the net without it eventually ignoring the human and focusing on the net so I prefocus on one end of the net and hope the ball goes there. I do use it for shooting from the side (well, really the corner).

You can see that shooting volleyball is a bunch of techniques and less about the camera.
 
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