XF 80 2.8 OIS WR macro is on display at photokina !

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If this lens is any good and has 1:1 than it will be the signal for me to sell all my canon gear.

Where can i pre-order one ?!!
 
I'm using an old Canon FD macro lens until I can buy the XF 80.

Really looking forward to this one.
 
Don't get too excited yet. The 120mm macro was on display at the Photography Show at the NEC 2 years ago. It never materialised though.
 
Hi,

That 80/2.8 prototype is a humongous lens. It's significantly bigger than the 90/2 next to it. Which would make it as big as the 55-200 and possibly bigger.

The length suggests to me that it's an IF macro lens. I can't see an 80mm external focusing macro lens being that long at infinity/off. IF isn't ideal in a way because they tend to lose FL and working distance as you focus closer. I guess we won't know for sure until it gets here. And why a 62mm filter thread? There are plenty of 85/2 and 105/2.8 macro FF lenses with 52mm threads.

I'll have a look at the lens next year, but the sheer size is a personal downer for me. There also isn't a tripod collar as far as I can see. On a lens that big, I think I'd prefer to have it on a collar at high magnifications rather than the whole rig mounted on the XT's rather delicately anchored tripod socket. The alternative is to just keep my CV90 because it's so small and use tubes to get to 1:1. It's MF, but I'd be switching to MF for macro anyway.

Cheers, Rod
 
Hi,

That 80/2.8 prototype is a humongous lens. It's significantly bigger than the 90/2 next to it. Which would make it as big as the 55-200 and possibly bigger.
Yes it is a little surprising. Add to that the hood which seems necessary since the front element is not deeply recessed.
 
true. Fuji has been lacking a quality macro like 100L. this might be the one!
 
Hi,

That 80/2.8 prototype is a humongous lens. It's significantly bigger than the 90/2 next to it. Which would make it as big as the 55-200 and possibly bigger.

The length suggests to me that it's an IF macro lens. I can't see an 80mm external focusing macro lens being that long at infinity/off. IF isn't ideal in a way because they tend to lose FL and working distance as you focus closer. I guess we won't know for sure until it gets here. And why a 62mm filter thread? There are plenty of 85/2 and 105/2.8 macro FF lenses with 52mm threads.

I'll have a look at the lens next year, but the sheer size is a personal downer for me. There also isn't a tripod collar as far as I can see. On a lens that big, I think I'd prefer to have it on a collar at high magnifications rather than the whole rig mounted on the XT's rather delicately anchored tripod socket. The alternative is to just keep my CV90 because it's so small and use tubes to get to 1:1. It's MF, but I'd be switching to MF for macro anyway.

Cheers, Rod
Rod, your preference for smaller lenses is well known. I'm sure the threads & posts from you and folks that agree with you over the last year or so had an influence on Fuji's decision to make the F2 primes. And I applaud that.

However, one thing we should keep in mind is that the X-T2 is likely going to broaden the appeal of the Fuji X line. It seems logical that folks who have held back in the past due to performance concerns are now going to seriously look at moving from their DSLRs to Fuji. It also follow IMO that these users are more willing to use larger lenses to get the performance that they want. Time will tell if I am right, but I believe Fuji will have a new "persona" in their user base who will want a different set of trade offs in terms of the size/performance equation.

As for the "big lenses nullify the reason for mirrorless" I don't buy that. For one, coming from FF to Fuji X means the lenses get smaller, even if you buy the largest of Fuji's lenses. Two, even if one is coming from a crop DSLR, it's impossible to shrink a body, but you can transform a Fuji X from big & fast to small & tight by popping on one of the small lenses. You can't do that with a big body. And then there is the fact that Fuji has a lens lineup that is optimized for crop top to bottom, etc. So lots of reasons to switch even if the final total kit weight isn't that much lighter.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't devolve (not from you) into an argument about mirrored vs mirrorless. That's not my intent. But, it will be interesting to see if I a right. If so, I hope Fuji has budgeted for that from an engineering standpoint. Not that there are THAT many holes in Fuji's lineup, but there are a few.
 
Hi,

That 80/2.8 prototype is a humongous lens. It's significantly bigger than the 90/2 next to it. Which would make it as big as the 55-200 and possibly bigger.

The length suggests to me that it's an IF macro lens. I can't see an 80mm external focusing macro lens being that long at infinity/off. IF isn't ideal in a way because they tend to lose FL and working distance as you focus closer. I guess we won't know for sure until it gets here. And why a 62mm filter thread? There are plenty of 85/2 and 105/2.8 macro FF lenses with 52mm threads.

I'll have a look at the lens next year, but the sheer size is a personal downer for me. There also isn't a tripod collar as far as I can see. On a lens that big, I think I'd prefer to have it on a collar at high magnifications rather than the whole rig mounted on the XT's rather delicately anchored tripod socket. The alternative is to just keep my CV90 because it's so small and use tubes to get to 1:1. It's MF, but I'd be switching to MF for macro anyway.

Cheers, Rod
Rod, your preference for smaller lenses is well known. I'm sure the threads & posts from you and folks that agree with you over the last year or so had an influence on Fuji's decision to make the F2 primes. And I applaud that.
However, one thing we should keep in mind is that the X-T2 is likely going to broaden the appeal of the Fuji X line. It seems logical that folks who have held back in the past due to performance concerns are now going to seriously look at moving from their DSLRs to Fuji. It also follow IMO that these users are more willing to use larger lenses to get the performance that they want. Time will tell if I am right, but I believe Fuji will have a new "persona" in their user base who will want a different set of trade offs in terms of the size/performance equation.

As for the "big lenses nullify the reason for mirrorless" I don't buy that. For one, coming from FF to Fuji X means the lenses get smaller, even if you buy the largest of Fuji's lenses. Two, even if one is coming from a crop DSLR, it's impossible to shrink a body, but you can transform a Fuji X from big & fast to small & tight by popping on one of the small lenses. You can't do that with a big body. And then there is the fact that Fuji has a lens lineup that is optimized for crop top to bottom, etc. So lots of reasons to switch even if the final total kit weight isn't that much lighter.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't devolve (not from you) into an argument about mirrored vs mirrorless. That's not my intent. But, it will be interesting to see if I a right. If so, I hope Fuji has budgeted for that from an engineering standpoint. Not that there are THAT many holes in Fuji's lineup, but there are a few.

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Hi George,

I agree generally with everything you've had to say here.

Ironically enough, despite my preference for smaller lenses, I've actually ended up not really warming to Fuji's latest f2 series of lenses. What I originally envisaged in arguing for smaller lenses was a one or two stop smaller version of the 16mm and 23mm lenses - complete with clutch, scales and sealing. Ie the same but smaller. What Fuji has given us is smaller lenses stripped of their high grade mechanical implementation in favor of continuously turning focus rings, zero markings and SW correction of optical characteristics...... Obviously they didn't design them for me! :-) C'est la vie, I suppose.

I haven't reached any firm conclusions about the different reasons mirror-less can attract DSLR users. I still think size is a big part of the equation. Not just for me - it comes up in thread after thread for many other members too. It's equally clear that size doesn't matter to some buyers too.

But back to the 80mm. People's macro uses can be quite different. For me it's out in the field chasing flowers, reptiles, fungi, bugs etc, and a physically smaller macro lens is handy in two respects. One is hiking it out there (just from the packing perspective), and the other is stuffing it into bushes and crevices after subject material. It's from that background that the prototype looks overly large to me. I don't doubt that it will be a very fine lens in the XF tradition. I might still consider it over my current adapted lens, because I expect the OIS would be a real asset precisely for hand-holders chasing bugs. I wouldn't bother for the AF - I expect that to be turned off.

I'll be interested to see if it's IF. If it is, I'd expect the FL to reduce significantly as it's focused toward higher magnifications, and if it does that, it may not have much advantage over the current 60/2.4 (which is an external focusing lens) in terms of working distance. Clearly using tubes to get to 1:1 is less convenient, but the limited WD is the other common grumble that comes from the short FL of the 60mm.

No arguments from me about mirrored versus mirror-less. I'm a convert. I'm still appreciating my XT1.

Cheers, Rod
 
Hi,

That 80/2.8 prototype is a humongous lens. It's significantly bigger than the 90/2 next to it. Which would make it as big as the 55-200 and possibly bigger.

The length suggests to me that it's an IF macro lens. I can't see an 80mm external focusing macro lens being that long at infinity/off. IF isn't ideal in a way because they tend to lose FL and working distance as you focus closer. I guess we won't know for sure until it gets here. And why a 62mm filter thread? There are plenty of 85/2 and 105/2.8 macro FF lenses with 52mm threads.

I'll have a look at the lens next year, but the sheer size is a personal downer for me. There also isn't a tripod collar as far as I can see. On a lens that big, I think I'd prefer to have it on a collar at high magnifications rather than the whole rig mounted on the XT's rather delicately anchored tripod socket. The alternative is to just keep my CV90 because it's so small and use tubes to get to 1:1. It's MF, but I'd be switching to MF for macro anyway.

Cheers, Rod
Rod, your preference for smaller lenses is well known. I'm sure the threads & posts from you and folks that agree with you over the last year or so had an influence on Fuji's decision to make the F2 primes. And I applaud that.

However, one thing we should keep in mind is that the X-T2 is likely going to broaden the appeal of the Fuji X line. It seems logical that folks who have held back in the past due to performance concerns are now going to seriously look at moving from their DSLRs to Fuji. It also follow IMO that these users are more willing to use larger lenses to get the performance that they want. Time will tell if I am right, but I believe Fuji will have a new "persona" in their user base who will want a different set of trade offs in terms of the size/performance equation.

As for the "big lenses nullify the reason for mirrorless" I don't buy that. For one, coming from FF to Fuji X means the lenses get smaller, even if you buy the largest of Fuji's lenses. Two, even if one is coming from a crop DSLR, it's impossible to shrink a body, but you can transform a Fuji X from big & fast to small & tight by popping on one of the small lenses. You can't do that with a big body. And then there is the fact that Fuji has a lens lineup that is optimized for crop top to bottom, etc. So lots of reasons to switch even if the final total kit weight isn't that much lighter.

Anyway, I hope this doesn't devolve (not from you) into an argument about mirrored vs mirrorless. That's not my intent. But, it will be interesting to see if I a right. If so, I hope Fuji has budgeted for that from an engineering standpoint. Not that there are THAT many holes in Fuji's lineup, but there are a few.
 
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujinon-xf50mmf2-wr-xf80mmf2-ois-wr-real-life-images/

If this lens is any good and has 1:1 than it will be the signal for me to sell all my canon gear.

Where can i pre-order one ?!!
For sure I will get one when they become available but I would also like to have a 130mm f/2.8 macro. What I really want is a Fuji version of the MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro.

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Cliff
Today I just purchased the Fuji mount Samyang 100mm 2.8 macro which will be used on my brand spanking new X-T2. It's true 1:1 unlike the existing 60mm Fuji macro which I used to own and found it to be very ordinary as a macro lens...........not bad for portraits though.

The focal length of the Samyang on the Xmount is 150mm, perfect FL in my opinion. It's manual focus of course and with no OIS, but all of my macro work is manual focus any way and always on a tripod. If I want to use it for portraits, I'll just make sure I'm at a decent shutter speed. The build quality is fantastic on the Samyang, but this has been my personal experience with all their lenses. Smooth as silk focus ring and quite a weighty beast actually, but I like that in a lens.

I purchased it on the basis of some pretty good reviews regarding performance, build quality and value (Kw530,000 here in Korea or USD480.) Yet to put it through it's paces, but I hope to this weekend.

Edit: And if you're after a small lens with a shortish barrel, this is not for you. It's 170mm long and 215mm with the hood. It's the longest out of all the various mount options available with this lens.

I'll post some results asap.

Cheers
 
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Don't get too excited yet. The 120mm macro was on display at the Photography Show at the NEC 2 years ago. It never materialised though.
Well, it had re-incarnated since, lost some speed but got some mussels and longer name - GF 120mm F4 Macro R LM OIS WR
https://www.dpreview.com/news/0310515510/photokina-2016-hands-on-with-fujifilm-gfx-50s?slide=11
So that's where it went! Now I doubt I can afford it!
 
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujinon-xf50mmf2-wr-xf80mmf2-ois-wr-real-life-images/

If this lens is any good and has 1:1 than it will be the signal for me to sell all my canon gear.

Where can i pre-order one ?!!
For sure I will get one when they become available but I would also like to have a 130mm f/2.8 macro. What I really want is a Fuji version of the MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro.

--
Cliff
Today I just purchased the Fuji mount Samyang 100mm 2.8 macro which will be used on my brand spanking new X-T2. It's true 1:1 unlike the existing 60mm Fuji macro which I used to own and found it to be very ordinary as a macro lens...........not bad for portraits though.

The focal length of the Samyang on the Xmount is 150mm, perfect FL in my opinion. It's manual focus of course and with no OIS, but all of my macro work is manual focus any way and always on a tripod. If I want to use it for portraits, I'll just make sure I'm at a decent shutter speed. The build quality is fantastic on the Samyang, but this has been my personal experience with all their lenses. Smooth as silk focus ring and quite a weighty beast actually, but I like that in a lens.

I purchased it on the basis of some pretty good reviews regarding performance, build quality and value (Kw530,000 here in Korea or USD480.) Yet to put it through it's paces, but I hope to this weekend.

Edit: And if you're after a small lens with a shortish barrel, this is not for you. It's 170mm long and 215mm with the hood. It's the longest out of all the various mount options available with this lens.

I'll post some results asap.

Cheers
Following on. Here's the Samyang 100mm macro on the X-T2. It's a mother of a thing, but it all seems to balance well when cupped in your left hand.



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http://www.fujirumors.com/fujinon-xf50mmf2-wr-xf80mmf2-ois-wr-real-life-images/

If this lens is any good and has 1:1 than it will be the signal for me to sell all my canon gear.

Where can i pre-order one ?!!
For sure I will get one when they become available but I would also like to have a 130mm f/2.8 macro. What I really want is a Fuji version of the MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x Macro.

--
Cliff
Today I just purchased the Fuji mount Samyang 100mm 2.8 macro which will be used on my brand spanking new X-T2. It's true 1:1 unlike the existing 60mm Fuji macro which I used to own and found it to be very ordinary as a macro lens...........not bad for portraits though.

The focal length of the Samyang on the Xmount is 150mm, perfect FL in my opinion. It's manual focus of course and with no OIS, but all of my macro work is manual focus any way and always on a tripod. If I want to use it for portraits, I'll just make sure I'm at a decent shutter speed. The build quality is fantastic on the Samyang, but this has been my personal experience with all their lenses. Smooth as silk focus ring and quite a weighty beast actually, but I like that in a lens.

I purchased it on the basis of some pretty good reviews regarding performance, build quality and value (Kw530,000 here in Korea or USD480.) Yet to put it through it's paces, but I hope to this weekend.

Edit: And if you're after a small lens with a shortish barrel, this is not for you. It's 170mm long and 215mm with the hood. It's the longest out of all the various mount options available with this lens.

I'll post some results asap.

Cheers
Following on. Here's the Samyang 100mm macro on the X-T2. It's a mother of a thing, but it all seems to balance well when cupped in your left hand.

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Jeez...that is a big lens. It reminds me of a Nikon AF FX Micro-NIKKOR 200mm f/4D IF-ED lens.

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Cliff
 
http://www.fujirumors.com/fujinon-xf50mmf2-wr-xf80mmf2-ois-wr-real-life-images/

If this lens is any good and has 1:1 than it will be the signal for me to sell all my canon gear.

Where can i pre-order one ?!!
Yes I have seen it on Photokina.

However I was suprised by the size. It looks big and heavy... Much bigger than the 56 1,2 as I remeber....

I was considering buying one.... but know I will take my time to see the first real world images (bokeh? prize? etc...)
 
Hi Cliff and Seoulsurvivor,

It is indeed a large lens, though apparently excellent. I guess the extra length comes from the short registration of the X mount and the need for tele lens barrels to cover that.

By comparison, here (images below) is what I would have to give up to go with the Fuji 80 or another larger lens. It's my CV 90/3.5 Apo Lanthar. It's a 1:3 lens, not 1:1, and so relies on tubes to get there. The advantage is its small size and low weight when used as a short tele lens or for close focusing within its capability. The disadvantage is having to switch to a tube. I actually don't mind - many of my images are less magnified than 1:1. And when I do use a tube, or a 250D, the images are excellent too.

My full review at https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54508940 At this stage, I don't know if I want to part with it for the 80mm. It's all about personal preference (as George observed), but to pay $1000 (+/-?) to carry a lens as big as the 55-200 just to get rid of the tube to get 1:1 isn't yet a clear winner to me. (OTOH, I can see a use for OIS.....)

Regards, Rod



The CV90/3.5, 2010 version - lens only. This one's in Nikon mount.  Solid metal, weight 320g, and uses a 39mm or 52mm filter.
The CV90/3.5, 2010 version - lens only. This one's in Nikon mount. Solid metal, weight 320g, and uses a 39mm or 52mm filter.

On Nikon adapter on XT1.  Together a few mm longer than the 18-55 zoom  - still diminutive as 90mm lenses go....
On Nikon adapter on XT1. Together a few mm longer than the 18-55 zoom - still diminutive as 90mm lenses go....
 
Hi Cliff and Seoulsurvivor,

It is indeed a large lens, though apparently excellent. I guess the extra length comes from the short registration of the X mount and the need for tele lens barrels to cover that.

By comparison, here (images below) is what I would have to give up to go with the Fuji 80 or another larger lens. It's my CV 90/3.5 Apo Lanthar. It's a 1:3 lens, not 1:1, and so relies on tubes to get there. The advantage is its small size and low weight when used as a short tele lens or for close focusing within its capability. The disadvantage is having to switch to a tube. I actually don't mind - many of my images are less magnified than 1:1. And when I do use a tube, or a 250D, the images are excellent too.

My full review at https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/54508940 At this stage, I don't know if I want to part with it for the 80mm. It's all about personal preference (as George observed), but to pay $1000 (+/-?) to carry a lens as big as the 55-200 just to get rid of the tube to get 1:1 isn't yet a clear winner to me. (OTOH, I can see a use for OIS.....)

Regards, Rod
I guess that would be similar to adding an extension tube to a normal lens. I have my tried and true macro rig that incorporates an El Nikkor lens and a Nikon PB-6/6e bellows. I guess I could just get a Fuji to Nikon adapter. I'll have to take a look at the Metabones adapter.
 
HI Cliff,

A Nikon to Fuji adapter should work fine on your bellows. It would also allow you to use Nikon extension tubes (which I imagine you already have) if you're in the field and bellows are unsuitable. The old Nikon PN11 (52.5mm of extension) is also a good option because it has its own rotating tripod collar and socket, and provides a far, far better balance than mounting any long macro outfit via the camera's tripod socket. You can also combine Nikon tubes with Fuji ones by mounting them either side of the adapter.

Cheers, Rod
 

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