Quite a sad scene (Reality Image)

adkmedic · Aug 10, 2003

Yves, good job. Another good photograph. You obviously affected the audience. You brought out a lot of feelings.

RobArk... I COMPLETELY agree. I deal with the other end of the spectrum, every shift. I am a Firefighter/Paramedic with 11 years in the system. While Rob has to deal with the families, I get to scrape these people off the roadway. Often times, I end up working these people up, knowing that it is a futile effort. Or, (in my opinion, even worse), we end up saving their "lives" for them to be discharged from the hospital to a long-term care facility in a comatose-state and on a ventilator.

THIS IS REALITY. It shouldn't be sugarcoated. If this photograph makes people think, then it has done its job. Someone earlier stated stated it well... If you don't like it, then don't look, and move on. Even if you didn't like it, it hopefully made you stop and think, just for a moment, about the dangers of daily life.

This IS photojournalism. This IS a website dedicated to ALL types of photography. If it's not your thing, then don't look... If you only like nature photography, then visit one of the myriad website's dedicated to nature photography. If you don't like the picture, you certainly have the right to speak your mind on the technical merits of the photograph. To attack the photographer is utterly pointless. Yves did NOT invade anyone's privacy, or break any laws. This happened out in public.

As for the license plate... Again, this is reality. It shouldn't be sugar-coated. There's really no good reason for it. It's part of the picture.

Yves, please keep up the excellent work and keep posting examples from ALL the types of photography that you do.

PEACE

Andy

Ger Bee · Aug 10, 2003

................ a few years ago one paper I worked for would phone me to pursue RTAs, one of the biggest pics used was a discarded bloody blanket in the foreground with the wreckage in the distance and the glaring faces of the response crews throwing daggers back.

But it ultimately backfired as another photographer had a shot of a young child on the ground and they put the pic on the cover the next day. It went out of business soon thereafter.

I am not asked to cover RTA’s anymore.

I liked your comments.

greg n · Aug 10, 2003

Neil I think part of the problem is people feel the need to come to Yves aid, he is probably one of the biggest and most popular posters here. I think if people re-read your comments; you have been fair and polite. I think Yves was a little deffensive in is first reply to you, and then many others have jumped on the bandwagen. Yves helps a lot of people, posts a lot of pictures, a lot of animals, often no point or reason, just for fun. He can do that cause of his status.

We all know if everyone here started to post all the pictures like Yves does, then there would be calls to limit us all, and remember this is a Nikon SLR equipment forum. So I think you are right, most people do not want to see a bunch of accident scenes in this forum, there are other places for that. We just need to relax and let this go.

Neil Crick said:
What's your opposition to linking? Surely that's why Phil has the
option for both posting methods to be used.

Cheers

Noodle

James Riley said:

Neil Crick said:

Fair enough James, but as it was an embedded image....

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He did state in the subject line that it was "Quite a sad scene"
followed by "Reality Image", I believe that is quite enough warning.

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f dinaro · Aug 10, 2003

Eric you are way out of line,Yves is a very gifted Photographer,he has spent a lot of time helping everyone on the forum.His photo's are amazing and he is a great guy.There is no need to kick him down or try to discredit him at all. I am sorry the photo hit home, but life is not just about fun and games. Yves we still love ya...........frank d

eric said:
got over yourself, i did.

e

Yves P. said:

Sorry you feel that way.

You must feel pretty bad when you watch the news ...

GDF2003 said:

Morbid for me......

I guess it brings back memories of an accident I saw on my street
years ago. One of our neighbors lost their 19 year old son.

.

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Larry Gleason · Aug 10, 2003

Well Andy, you have made a good case for yourself as a professional firefighter/paramedic (as did the others in law enforcement and related fields). Certainly not as a photojournalism photographers. You might find that the majority of photojournal photographers will skip the license plates to avoid any potential problems/hassles down the road. Other than that small detail the photo is without merit that any amateur could have taken and posted. I don't even see why reality or sugarcoated is a part of the discussion. For Yves, yes such events routinely make the news with full ID. But I bet that no IDs were published until after next of kin notification. Just another one of those little journalism details. A great photojournalism shot? - the firefighter holding the small child after the OK City bombing. Someone post a photojournalism shot that comes close to that level and I'll say wow. I wish I had gotten that shot.

Guess I should admit that I am retired from law enforcement. That will save the I don't understand what its like to work the grief or scene.

adkmedic said:
Yves, good job. Another good photograph. You obviously affected
the audience. You brought out a lot of feelings.

RobArk... I COMPLETELY agree. I deal with the other end of the
spectrum, every shift. I am a Firefighter/Paramedic with 11 years
in the system. While Rob has to deal with the families, I get to
scrape these people off the roadway. Often times, I end up working
these people up, knowing that it is a futile effort. Or, (in my
opinion, even worse), we end up saving their "lives" for them to be
discharged from the hospital to a long-term care facility in a
comatose-state and on a ventilator.

THIS IS REALITY. It shouldn't be sugarcoated. If this photograph
makes people think, then it has done its job. Someone earlier
stated stated it well... If you don't like it, then don't look,
and move on. Even if you didn't like it, it hopefully made you
stop and think, just for a moment, about the dangers of daily life.

This IS photojournalism. This IS a website dedicated to ALL types
of photography. If it's not your thing, then don't look... If you
only like nature photography, then visit one of the myriad
website's dedicated to nature photography. If you don't like the
picture, you certainly have the right to speak your mind on the
technical merits of the photograph. To attack the photographer is
utterly pointless. Yves did NOT invade anyone's privacy, or break
any laws. This happened out in public.

As for the license plate... Again, this is reality. It shouldn't
be sugar-coated. There's really no good reason for it. It's part
of the picture.

Yves, please keep up the excellent work and keep posting examples
from ALL the types of photography that you do.

PEACE

Andy

--
Larry Gleason

David Barkin · Aug 10, 2003

Hi Yves

Well, I'll critique you also - My critique being what did you expect and why are you picking up your marbles and going home?

In our society we expect to live forever. We hide death and everyday danger. We turn to movies for our reality. There are a number of type of photojpurnalism

The, sensational, which we see in the news or tv and the quiet kind that just makes us say, that could be me. The person who just lost a desperatlely needed job, the recipient of tragic news - Things that we can all say - "This could happen to me."

Well bad news here - Life and death are two sides of the same coin.

Your little photo is in that class - It's not a "great" photo - It's a food for thought photo.

I'm neither suggesting you post more or post less - But post!

Dave

Yves P. said:
This is the internet, Impersonnal, cold, sensless and hell, you can
say anything you want without risking the chance of getting kicked
in the butt by the person you are writing to ...

Mind you, in real life conversation (face to face), the temper of
some would have been quite different.

Admitably I have made a very small mistake (I will recognize it), I
could have blurred the license plate but it is in the news this
morning anyways ...
ID is all over the place so ...

It is a picture of a motorcycle on it's side with some pieces of
plastica dn metal around it.

I am feeling OK about having posted the picture but this was the
last picture I will be posting here. I thought people were tired of
seing Squirrels and birds, landscapes and portraits, I wanted to
show some reality, I did ...

It was fun for a while, I need to move on to something else.

Thank you too the ones who have supported the thread, my usual
friends I guess.

For the others, you have expressed your opinion and I realize I
have posted something that could have gone both ways ...

Some of you are trying to give me a lesson on life, please, spare
me with the lecture, nobody on this forum know me at all and you
have no idea what I have been thru and what I am going thru in my
own life cycle. The same goes for me, I have no Knowledge of any of
your lives as well so I am not going to start answering everybody
one by one although some of the replies I have gotten are very
tempting ... I would prefer the face to face approach, much more
effective than the loss of bandwith for the both of us.

Be good, take care ...

I am going to step in the viewer's side now and I will be writing
only.

No, my EGO is fine, I am not sad or anything, I am a peaceful
person and I don't want to create a lot of stirr at an impersonal
level, it is useless

CIAO ...

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Yves P.

Jason Busch · Aug 10, 2003

Yves,

First off, I don't have a problem with your post. The only thing is maybe blurring the license plate of the motorcycle. This is what I would do in any type of crash incident.

As to the other idiots on this forum, we have a lot of people who just can't face reality and of course, bring their sob stories to prove it. My cousin was killed in a vehicle crash, but I don't start a morality campaign to bring him back to life vicariously through your post like others have.

You touched a nerve, Yves, and many on this forum, as it appears, can't deal with their own feelings--or their own life.

What I think is ironic, is the name of the tow truck company--Top Speed. Now, I don't know what actually happened in this accident, but from my experience, most guys on motorcycles are little speedsters. I guess I could give the guy the benefit of a doubt, but I have a hard time doing it. 9 times out of 10, where I live, motorcycles disregard traffic laws and zoom in and out of traffic like it was as normal as a daily routine.

If anything, this is a good message to those who may like to speed.

Also, it's not like you took a photo of the corpse and proudly displayed it on DPR for everyone to see. That would be kinda out of line. You merely showed the motorcycle, and then several guys on this forum started crying like their candy and goodies got taken away from them. Jesus.

C'mon guys. Life isn't a bunch of Cats, Flowers, and Squirrels.

It's really too bad this is not a photography forum, and is instead, a morality forum. I remember when I posted photos of drug dealers, and I was called immature to a man who was racist. Amazing, isn't it?

The very fact you have raised controversy, is a good thing.

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Ken Plotkin · Aug 10, 2003

Yves P. said:
I have posted an image that carries a feeling and that was empty of
blood, and human parts splattered all over the place.

[snip]

That you did. And it carries the feeling of loss very well.

Your pictures of children and animals always bring feelings of joy. It's not your fault that your skill comes through in this photo as well. I suspect that a lot of the flak you're getting is because the photo is effective.

It was worth sharing with everyone.

Ken Plotkin

Yves P. · Aug 10, 2003

Hey Jason, thanks for the great words ...

Needless to say I am a little surprised about the reaction, but hey at the same time I realize how efficient is the picture, not bad for a very ordinary picture.

2 Things:

1- I would have never posted anything like blood or the face of someone per say ... I have a bit more class than to post this kind of image in a Forum ...

2- The angle I chose to post the picture was also to bring out the towing trucks in the back and the TOP SPEED mention ... I have nothing against motorcyclist, it is true that some are not very careful with the driving code but so are the brainless kids with Honda Civics fully modified who think they have a Formula one race car and they can stop on a dime ...

I have already stated that I make a small mistake by not blurring the license plate, I also agree with that point.

It is still amazing how total strangers can react and be this blunt about something that is in the local news.

As if some were waiting for me to post something controversial or something they really did not like to get on my case because I have posted a lot of images on the forum (different subjects of course) One thing for sure, they will not see an image from me for quite a while because I will not post another picture in this forum. This is a personal choice, I am not affraid dislike criticism, I am allergic to childishness.

I never said it was a great picture either, quite honnestly, it is more than ordinary so are many pictures I see in the newspapers, ... I was going to get a much better picture when I got interceped by 2 police officers who have asked me to cross to the other side of the line to avoid moving the debris on the ground in order for them to procede with the accident reproduction scene ...

Thx again for the support.

Jason Busch said:
Yves,

First off, I don't have a problem with your post. The only thing is
maybe blurring the license plate of the motorcycle. This is what I
would do in any type of crash incident.

As to the other idiots on this forum, we have a lot of people who
just can't face reality and of course, bring their sob stories to
prove it. My cousin was killed in a vehicle crash, but I don't
start a morality campaign to bring him back to life vicariously
through your post like others have.

You touched a nerve, Yves, and many on this forum, as it appears,
can't deal with their own feelings--or their own life.

What I think is ironic, is the name of the tow truck company--Top
Speed. Now, I don't know what actually happened in this accident,
but from my experience, most guys on motorcycles are little
speedsters. I guess I could give the guy the benefit of a doubt,
but I have a hard time doing it. 9 times out of 10, where I live,
motorcycles disregard traffic laws and zoom in and out of traffic
like it was as normal as a daily routine.

If anything, this is a good message to those who may like to speed.

Also, it's not like you took a photo of the corpse and proudly
displayed it on DPR for everyone to see. That would be kinda out of
line. You merely showed the motorcycle, and then several guys on
this forum started crying like their candy and goodies got taken
away from them. Jesus.

C'mon guys. Life isn't a bunch of Cats, Flowers, and Squirrels.

It's really too bad this is not a photography forum, and is
instead, a morality forum. I remember when I posted photos of drug
dealers, and I was called immature to a man who was racist.
Amazing, isn't it?

The very fact you have raised controversy, is a good thing.

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Yves P.

Ken Plotkin · Aug 10, 2003

Yves P. wrote:
[snip]

Yves P. said:
I am feeling OK about having posted the picture but this was the
last picture I will be posting here. I thought people were tired of
seing Squirrels and birds, landscapes and portraits, I wanted to
show some reality, I did ...

[snip]

You're pulling back because of the criticism of this one photo???

Yves P. said:
Some of you are trying to give me a lesson on life, please, spare
me with the lecture, nobody on this forum know me at all and you
have no idea what I have been thru and what I am going thru in my
own life cycle. The same goes for me, I have no Knowledge of any of
your lives as well so I am not going to start answering everybody

[snip]

That's one of the intriguing things about on-line discussion groups. They seem to be remote and impersonal. But they really are only compartmentalized by how much we choose to reveal about ourselves. (Much like our behavior at work and in public vs at home.) You post under your own name. You post photos of things you enjoy. That you did not enjoy this picture is also telling. For a bunch of photographic gearheads, how much more do we really need to know about each other?

If the negative comments in this thread got to you, try usenet some time.

I hope this does not come across as an attempted lesson in life. Only a short cram on on-line discussions. Participate here however you want for your own enjoyment - not because of what others think you should be doing. And you never owe anybody a reply.

Ken Plotkin

PS - In terms of unsettling and traumatic images, I am glad that my mother is not on line and does not see your usual fare of squirrels. She had a squirrel infestation in her house, which she ultimately solved by selling the place and moving to another state. So to worry about pleasing everyone is a losing proposition.

Yves P. · Aug 10, 2003

Thanks Ken ..

Ken Plotkin said:
Yves P. said:

I have posted an image that carries a feeling and that was empty of
blood, and human parts splattered all over the place.

Click to expand...

[snip]

That you did. And it carries the feeling of loss very well.

Your pictures of children and animals always bring feelings of joy.
It's not your fault that your skill comes through in this photo as
well. I suspect that a lot of the flak you're getting is because
the photo is effective.

It was worth sharing with everyone.

Ken Plotkin

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Yves P.

Jason Busch · Aug 10, 2003

Yves,

I just wanted to say that I wouldn't ever think you would post pics of the actual victim of an incident. You have much more courtesy than that. Too bad others don't understand.

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ib1yysguy · Aug 10, 2003

... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro. Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

Larry Gleason · Aug 10, 2003

Yves P. said:
... I was going to get a much better picture when I got
interceped by 2 police officers who have asked me to cross to the
other side of the line to avoid moving the debris on the ground in
order for them to procede with the accident reproduction scene ...

Yves,

Very pleased that you picked up on the license plate issue. I was using your post as a point for all, not to single you out.

You have reminded me of another point for all. If you are photographing accident or crime scenes, stay back to get your shots. Not so much that there may be unseen secondary dangers to yourself (should be self evident) but the protection of a crime or accident scene may be a must. You may have arrived before the barricades (static or tape) has been put up or even before those working the scene have arrived. Crime (or accident) scene processing is much easier to do when the area has not been trampled or contaminated. Just another thought for photographers to consider (bad enough when unskilled police officers don't get it).

--
Larry Gleason

Yves P. · Aug 10, 2003

Tanks Al, ...

Some people were getting tired of my posts and they now have a reason to bark I guess...

It is my own fault, I have posted different stuff, nothing really shocking (honnestly, this pic is not shocking either), just well balanced well exposed images ...

There is so much different pictures I don't post on the forum because it is not appropriate for many viewers and to the politics of this forum (which I respect) ...

Nobody will have a reason to complain about my pictures anymore ...

I will still participate to the forum, I will still read the posts and repliy to the ones that apply to me, I will still laugh when I see a "My Canon camera is so much better than your Nikon" posts

Take care ...

ib1yysguy said:
... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a
couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are
any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro.
Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't
heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the
victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw
something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you
had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't
subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and
ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that
were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I
feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

--
Yves P.

Yves P. · Aug 10, 2003

I did not have my Press Card with me either ...

I have been photographying accidents, Fires, crime scenes and a series of other delicate situations since 26 years, I was really careful to make sure I was walking at the right place, it was not dark out ... I See what you mean though ...

Larry Gleason said:
Larry Gleason said:

... I was going to get a much better picture when I got
interceped by 2 police officers who have asked me to cross to the
other side of the line to avoid moving the debris on the ground in
order for them to procede with the accident reproduction scene ...

Click to expand...

Yves,

Very pleased that you picked up on the license plate issue. I was
using your post as a point for all, not to single you out.

You have reminded me of another point for all. If you are
photographing accident or crime scenes, stay back to get your
shots. Not so much that there may be unseen secondary dangers to
yourself (should be self evident) but the protection of a crime or
accident scene may be a must. You may have arrived before the
barricades (static or tape) has been put up or even before those
working the scene have arrived. Crime (or accident) scene
processing is much easier to do when the area has not been trampled
or contaminated. Just another thought for photographers to consider
(bad enough when unskilled police officers don't get it).

--
Larry Gleason

--
Yves P.

Larry Gleason · Aug 10, 2003

Thanks. Yes this was not to pick on you. You just provided the forum where perhaps others new to this type of photography may benefit from the discussion. I guess I don't need to tell about the press person that ducked under my barricade tape at an aircraft crash investigation. Grrrrr.

Yves P. said:
I have been photographying accidents, Fires, crime scenes and a
series of other delicate situations since 26 years, I was really
careful to make sure I was walking at the right place, it was not
dark out ... I See what you mean though ...

Larry Gleason said:

Yves P. said:

... I was going to get a much better picture when I got
interceped by 2 police officers who have asked me to cross to the
other side of the line to avoid moving the debris on the ground in
order for them to procede with the accident reproduction scene ...

Click to expand...

Yves,

Very pleased that you picked up on the license plate issue. I was
using your post as a point for all, not to single you out.

You have reminded me of another point for all. If you are
photographing accident or crime scenes, stay back to get your
shots. Not so much that there may be unseen secondary dangers to
yourself (should be self evident) but the protection of a crime or
accident scene may be a must. You may have arrived before the
barricades (static or tape) has been put up or even before those
working the scene have arrived. Crime (or accident) scene
processing is much easier to do when the area has not been trampled
or contaminated. Just another thought for photographers to consider
(bad enough when unskilled police officers don't get it).

--
Larry Gleason

Click to expand...

--
Yves P.

--
Larry Gleason

greg n · Aug 10, 2003

I think you have two guys making comments about your post in a negetive light, one guy, in a very polite manner, the other a little rude. I think the rest of the 50 replies are in support of you. It is a fact that you and the group idiot are two of the most helpful people on this forum. You guys post a lot of stuff, and pictures, there are going to be comments. Some good some bad.

Point is the vast, vast majority want to read and see posts from you guys, we want to know what you think on stuff and we want to see examples. The lesser, much lesser, skilled photographers like myself, like to see what the pictures can look like when used by a skilled photographer. I think Neil had a point and he was polite about it, many other posters have different points, but then that is what this forum is for. So Yves, bring on the Quirrels.

Yves P. said:
Some people were getting tired of my posts and they now have a
reason to bark I guess...

It is my own fault, I have posted different stuff, nothing really
shocking (honnestly, this pic is not shocking either), just well
balanced well exposed images ...

There is so much different pictures I don't post on the forum
because it is not appropriate for many viewers and to the politics
of this forum (which I respect) ...

Nobody will have a reason to complain about my pictures anymore ...

I will still participate to the forum, I will still read the posts
and repliy to the ones that apply to me, I will still laugh when I
see a "My Canon camera is so much better than your Nikon" posts

Take care ...

ib1yysguy said:

... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a
couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are
any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro.
Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't
heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the
victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw
something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you
had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't
subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and
ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that
were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I
feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

Click to expand...

--
Yves P.

NeilCam · Aug 10, 2003

Actually, have a look at eric's posts throughout DPR and you'll find he does not play well with others.

Neil

f dinaro said:
Eric you are way out of line,Yves is a very gifted Photographer,he
has spent a lot of time helping everyone on the forum.His photo's
are amazing and he is a great guy.There is no need to kick him down
or try to discredit him at all. I am sorry the photo hit home, but
life is not just about fun and games. Yves we still love
ya...........frank d

f dinaro · Aug 10, 2003

Yves don't let the negativty get you down,YOU DID NOTHING WRONG ! You posted a photo, there was nothing in that photo that could have shocked anyone.No blood,no body parts nothing to offend anyone.Some people are jealous of you and all you have accomplished in photography.This was blown way out proportion and there was no reason for the negativity concerning your post.I think I can speak for 99% of the people on the forum.We all love your work and look foward to your posts.Please dont stop posting your photo's.Heck my work gets bashed all the time, I just keep posting.Eventually some will like one of them (lol) I hope.................frank d

Yves P. said:
Some people were getting tired of my posts and they now have a
reason to bark I guess...

It is my own fault, I have posted different stuff, nothing really
shocking (honnestly, this pic is not shocking either), just well
balanced well exposed images ...

There is so much different pictures I don't post on the forum
because it is not appropriate for many viewers and to the politics
of this forum (which I respect) ...

Nobody will have a reason to complain about my pictures anymore ...

I will still participate to the forum, I will still read the posts
and repliy to the ones that apply to me, I will still laugh when I
see a "My Canon camera is so much better than your Nikon" posts

Take care ...

ib1yysguy said:

... and I was involved in a near-fatal motorcycle accident myself a
couple of years ago.

Yves is not a photojournalist, but that doesn't mean his images are
any less valad than if they had been taken by a seasoned pro.
Posting a picture of a piece of machinery next to some trucks isn't
heart wrenching nor is it distasteful to the family of the
victim(s).

The fact is that Yves wasn't intruding on anyones life. He saw
something that was in a public place and captured it. If any of you
had driven by, you would have seen the same thing. He wasn't
subjecting you to anything but the reality of the situation (and
ultimately that's what photo journalism does in part).

I've been sent to cover much worse and I've published photos that
were much more invasive and much more distasteful than this. Do I
feel bad about it? Nope. It's my job and it's part of life.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

Click to expand...

--
Yves P.

--
frank d
just have fun with it ! http://www.pbase.com/frangee/photos_by_frangee

Quite a sad scene (Reality Image)

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