Quite a sad scene (Reality Image)

[pfginsr]

For myself, a former motorcycle rider who survived a couple of
accidents, it is a strong reminder. For those I rode with who did
not survive it makes me remember them.

The composition is classic and the mood of people around the scene
is very telling. Some are business-like, others are thinking about
what happened.

Thanks for your good taste and your good work, Yves. Now let's get
back to some serious Squirrels!

Regards,

Paul

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.

--
'It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference
of opinion
that makes horse-races.' -- Mark Twain (Pudd'nhead Wilson - 1894)

 

[pfginsr]

pfginsr wrote:

This is the first time I have ever posted something on this website...my earlier post failed as the server crashed...I will try this again.

Our we supposed to be impressed by your amateur "photojournalism"...are we supposed to be impressed by the workflow of the image...are we supposed to be impressed by the sharpness of the 70-200 and it's VR capability????

This is not photojournalism...

How about a touch of reality instead. Tomorrow I am going to a funeral of the daughter of a friend of mine who was killed last Tuesday morning by not 1 BUT 2 drunk drivers. She was hit by a drunk driver going the wrong way...she survived that hit to be hit seconds later by a second drunk driver who broadsided her and killed her instantly.

Should I bring my D-100 to the funeral to post some images and practice my amatuer photojournalism skills??? This girl was 18 years old and 3 days old...and her mother will never be the same.

There is a family and friends grieving tonight from this accident you callously photographed.

Quit pretending you are a photojournalist.

For myself, a former motorcycle rider who survived a couple of
accidents, it is a strong reminder. For those I rode with who did
not survive it makes me remember them.

The composition is classic and the mood of people around the scene
is very telling. Some are business-like, others are thinking about
what happened.

Thanks for your good taste and your good work, Yves. Now let's get
back to some serious Squirrels!

Regards,

Paul

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.

--
'It were not best that we should all think alike; it is difference
of opinion
that makes horse-races.' -- Mark Twain (Pudd'nhead Wilson - 1894)

 

[James Riley]

Hmm, interesting. As I was the first to ponder the appropriacy of
embedding the image rather than offering it as a linked image, I'm
fascinated by how I am now perceived as whining and trying to
impose my will.

As the old saying goes, if you don't like it, don't look at it, but don't limit the Intenet for the rest of us.

BTW, I used to ride a lot in my younger days, had a couple of big ones, and the bike looked a lot worse than the image. I still have scares on my back from going airbourne and landing on hard surface.

Personally, I wish Yves would post everything, including bloods and guts if he has them. Perhaps a warning in the subject line might be appropriate, but everything is legit here until Phil says no.

--
JR

 

[pfginsr]

This is the first time I have ever posted something on this website...my earlier post failed as the server crashed...I will try this again.

Our we supposed to be impressed by your amateur "photojournalism"...are we supposed to be impressed by the workflow of the image...are we supposed to be impressed by the sharpness of the 70-200 and it's VR capability????

This is not photojournalism...

How about a touch of reality instead. Tomorrow I am going to a funeral of the daughter of a friend of mine who was killed last Tuesday morning by not 1 BUT 2 drunk drivers. She was hit by a drunk driver going the wrong way...she survived that hit to be hit seconds later by a second drunk driver who broadsided her and killed her instantly.

Should I bring my D-100 to the funeral to post some images and practice my amatuer photojournalism skills??? This girl was 18 years old and 3 days old...and her mother will never be the same.

There is a family and friends grieving tonight from this accident you callously photographed.

Quit pretending you are a photojournalist.

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.

 

[Neil Crick]

Fair enough James, but as it was an embedded image....

I'm not seeking to limit anything, I neither have that power nor inclination; but as this is a public forum I was simply questioning appropriacy, and I don't see what's wrong with that. Personally, I don't think the blood and guts you speak of has any jornalistic merit worthy of this site either. Even real journalists and news agencies limit what goes into the public domain, partly to avoid unecessary offence and partly to afford dignity to the victims.

As a participant in these forums, surely I have as much right to question appropriacy as I do to praise pics that inspire me. As does everyone else of course. Either folks agree with me or not, I'm really bothered either way to be honest. In fact I quite enjoy reading the thoughts of the wide range if listers and lurkers on issues.

However, please don't accuse me of doing something I'm not.

Cheers

Noodle

As the old saying goes, if you don't like it, don't look at it, but
don't limit the Intenet for the rest of us.

--
--------------------------------------------------------
Noodles Galleries (early days yet)
http://www.pbase.com/noodle2003

 

[James Riley]

Fair enough James, but as it was an embedded image....

He did state in the subject line that it was "Quite a sad scene" followed by "Reality Image", I believe that is quite enough warning.

--
JR

 

[Neil Crick]

Agreed, but then Yves does have a habit of using misleading and ironic subject lines in a humourous manner. Moreover, I don't believe I have seen anything of his that wasn't of a 'Family Viewing' style. I have always found his work to be visually stimulating and inspiring, if a bit squirrel heavy , and will always open his work.

What's your opposition to linking? Surely that's why Phil has the option for both posting methods to be used.

Cheers

Noodle

Fair enough James, but as it was an embedded image....

He did state in the subject line that it was "Quite a sad scene"
followed by "Reality Image", I believe that is quite enough warning.

--
JR

--
--------------------------------------------------------
Noodles Galleries (early days yet)
http://www.pbase.com/noodle2003

 

[rfc151260]

A few days ago I started a thread about being humble. This thread is a perfect example of what I was trying to say.

The real issue as I see it, is the response of some, to go on the attack with insulting, insensitive, and condescending statements when faced with constructive criticism from people with different viewpoints.

........................................................................................................
Example:

"This is called photojournalism ...

Sorry you feel that way.

You must feel pretty bad when you watch the news ... "

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=5802884

........................................................................................................

I dont have a problem that this image was posted in this forum, but I do have personal issues with the level of civlity that I have seen from some of my fellow forum members. I too have lost a few friends in motorcycle and automobile accidents over the years.

RFC

 

[eric]

theres a huge difference between photojournalist and photosensationalist. local tv news and tacky papers are the latter. natnl. geographic and feature based media are journalistic. then there are opportunistic types that think $3000 of gear makes them pros. the composition is basic. it doesnt tell the story at all. you had to tell us. it just says "here is a broken motorcycle and some people and clutter". sure the picture is crisp. but otherwise a pretty lame attempt. a for all the whiners out there, get over it. there is no blood or body parts anywhere. if it werent for him telling you someone died you all would be saying how cool it is to see a bashed up bike and teasing the guy that crashed it. i lost a relative like this and i was not one bit disturbed by this. yves, im sorry im mean but you need to be kicked down to your level because you think alot more of yourself than you really are. pricey gear doesnt make the photographer but it sure can make the ego inflate.

got over yourself, i did.

e

Sorry you feel that way.

You must feel pretty bad when you watch the news ...

Morbid for me......

I guess it brings back memories of an accident I saw on my street
years ago. One of our neighbors lost their 19 year old son.

.

--
Yves P.

 

[mike55]

Mike wrote:

Yves I believe you did the correct thing taking the picture and posting it here on this forum. I think it took some courage to do so. Photos like other types of art should provoke an emotion to the viewer. Some photos portray happiness and others sadness. Sometimes photos are taken to show the unhappiness in life. There is more to photography than pictures of cute animals and birds.

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.

--
Mike55

 

[Arash Hazeghi]

Hey!
come down and be calm

this hot is intended to show a social reality, a bitter accident which can be prevented if people take more care when driving/cycling. No dead body is on the picture just the motorcycle

It is not a practice of photojurnalism what so ever, it's just a part of daily sceneries...but a bitter one and it hints people they should take more care

Our we supposed to be impressed by your amateur
"photojournalism"...are we supposed to be impressed by the workflow
of the image...are we supposed to be impressed by the sharpness of
the 70-200 and it's VR capability????

This is not photojournalism...

How about a touch of reality instead. Tomorrow I am going to a
funeral of the daughter of a friend of mine who was killed last
Tuesday morning by not 1 BUT 2 drunk drivers. She was hit by a
drunk driver going the wrong way...she survived that hit to be hit
seconds later by a second drunk driver who broadsided her and
killed her instantly.

Should I bring my D-100 to the funeral to post some images and
practice my amatuer photojournalism skills??? This girl was 18
years old and 3 days old...and her mother will never be the same.

There is a family and friends grieving tonight from this accident
you callously photographed.

Quit pretending you are a photojournalist.

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...



--
Yves P.

 

[Marx Opines]

I am puzzled why do you have to post this twice??

And..

How about a touch of reality instead. Tomorrow I am going to a
funeral of the daughter of a friend of mine who was killed last
Tuesday morning by not 1 BUT 2 drunk drivers. She was hit by a
drunk driver going the wrong way...she survived that hit to be hit
seconds later by a second drunk driver who broadsided her and
killed her instantly.

what are you trying to imply here??

Quit pretending you are a photojournalist.

The way his photo works for me, he is not pretending to be one.

Chill down, dude.

Death on 2 wheels ...

I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
...

The poor motorcyclist was already gone ...

--
Yves P.

--
Regards,
Marx
D1ÖÖ

 

[Tony B.11964]

This is called photojournalism ...
Sorry you feel that way.
You must feel pretty bad when you watch the news ...
Yves P.

There's nothing special about your picture. You have a motorcycle in the street on its' side. Nothing special.

Now if you had gotten there early enough to get the paramedics working on the motorcycle's owner AND the motorcycle on its' side then that would have been a much better image and might qualify as photojournalism.

I don't have any problems with your image generally just do you know.

Tony B.

 

[Tony B.11964]

Death on 2 wheels ...
I was going to meet my friend Michel LR and his familly when I saw
the scene, I grabbed my D-100 and 70-200 Combo and got a few shots
Yves P.

Here's an image I took that made the local rag.





The woman being extracted was only bruised up a bit. I sold her all of the images I took. She and her lawyer are using them in their case against the guy (and his company) who hit her.

Tony B.

 

[Larry Gleason]

Alas, another boring forum food fight. The right to post it, not a problem. The photo is of no interest to me. Just another look what I got photo that any amateur could have taken. There, I think that I have stepped on all nerves.

I agree with one poster as a good lesson. The first thing I noticed was the sharp image of the tag number. Tag numbers of vehicles directly involved in an adverse event should not be displayed in public photos. That places a personal identification to the event. Either shoot from a different location or mask the tag. My comment is not specific to this photo. It is just another detail to think about when shooting these types of scenes.

A real life forum discussion as a spin off this thread. Last October I got three frames of a horse and rider in a dramic tumble going over a jump that had tragic results for the horse. The event officals asked that I not show the photos to the media. You are the photographer.You were given a press pass for the event. What are you going to do? Honor their request or offer for sale? The food is on the table. Have at it.

Mike wrote:

Yves I believe you did the correct thing taking the picture and
posting it here on this forum. I think it took some courage to do
so. Photos like other types of art should provoke an emotion to
the viewer. Some photos portray happiness and others sadness.
Sometimes photos are taken to show the unhappiness in life. There
is more to photography than pictures of cute animals and birds.

--
Larry Gleason

 

[Yves P.]

This is the internet, Impersonnal, cold, sensless and hell, you can say anything you want without risking the chance of getting kicked in the butt by the person you are writing to ...

Mind you, in real life conversation (face to face), the temper of some would have been quite different.

Admitably I have made a very small mistake (I will recognize it), I could have blurred the license plate but it is in the news this morning anyways ...
ID is all over the place so ...

It is a picture of a motorcycle on it's side with some pieces of plastica dn metal around it.

I am feeling OK about having posted the picture but this was the last picture I will be posting here. I thought people were tired of seing Squirrels and birds, landscapes and portraits, I wanted to show some reality, I did ...

It was fun for a while, I need to move on to something else.

Thank you too the ones who have supported the thread, my usual friends I guess.

For the others, you have expressed your opinion and I realize I have posted something that could have gone both ways ...

Some of you are trying to give me a lesson on life, please, spare me with the lecture, nobody on this forum know me at all and you have no idea what I have been thru and what I am going thru in my own life cycle. The same goes for me, I have no Knowledge of any of your lives as well so I am not going to start answering everybody one by one although some of the replies I have gotten are very tempting ... I would prefer the face to face approach, much more effective than the loss of bandwith for the both of us.

Be good, take care ...

I am going to step in the viewer's side now and I will be writing only.

No, my EGO is fine, I am not sad or anything, I am a peaceful person and I don't want to create a lot of stirr at an impersonal level, it is useless

CIAO ...

--
Yves P.

 

[RH Francis]

Good job Yves.

Reinforces the idea to have your camera with you at all times. Sure stirred up alot of emotions here on the forum though, to some extent isn't that what photography is about. I appreciate this picture because it gave me a little jolt to wipe the dust off my helmet and start wearing it again.

Ducks are great, but I would rather get a dose of reality to stir some type of emotion in me. Something to make me ponder on the situation at hand, not on what aperature the photographer used.

Keep 'em coming.

--
RH Francis

 

[RobArk]

I am a police officer in Florida. I work on the D.U.I. Enforcement Unit so I go to crashes like this all night long. My D100 rides with me every night and I bring photos like this home all the time. I show my photos when I speak to high school student or anyone who will listen. My photos, just like this one, are meant to do just what Yves had done here - Make people angry - make people sad - make people PAY ATTENTION. This motorcycle rider most likely did not go down by his own mistake but by the carelessness of someone else.

If the viewers of this photograph remember it when they see a motorcycle on the road and think, Yves has done a good thing here. If the viewers of this photograph remember it when they start paying too much attention to their cell phone, Yves has done a good thing here. If the viewers of this photograph remember it when they see a police officer and wonder if he or she has ever had to tell the family of a victim such as this that their loved one will never be coming home, or has held the hand of a crash victim as they died, Yves has done a good thing here.

Every time I knock on a door in the middle of the night, I watch as the face of reality takes hold and I become so mad at myself because I know these people's lives will be forever changed by the words that I am telling them. If the viewers of this photo think of the victim's family and can even begin to digest how their lives will never be the same, Yves has done a good thing here.

I have refrained from posting my crash photos on the forum for the very reason I am seeing on this thread. Yves is braver than I am and he has done a good thing if it will make people more conscious when they drive. And judging by the responses here, I don't think any of you will pass a motorcycle without thinking of this photo, thus paying more attention.

Take this photo in the spirit it was meant and try to learn something from what it means.

Now I am going to bed and will try to forget about almost being struck head on in my cruiser four hours ago by a woman who's blood alcohol level was .151, almost twice the legal limit. I wish someone had shown her such a photograph.

Robbie
--
http://www.pbase.com/arkovich

 

[Yves P.]

the type of things you must see everyday ...

That has to be one of the toughest job emetionnaly, having to call or to tell someone their close friend/relative is passed away ...

I have a lot of respect for your line of work and same goes to the firefighters and doctors ...

NOW, this doesn't mean I donn't have any respects for computer programmers/developpers and all of the other types of works ...

Thank you making a very different POV here ...

I am a police officer in Florida. I work on the D.U.I. Enforcement
Unit so I go to crashes like this all night long. My D100 rides
with me every night and I bring photos like this home all the time.
I show my photos when I speak to high school student or anyone who
will listen. My photos, just like this one, are meant to do just
what Yves had done here - Make people angry - make people sad -
make people PAY ATTENTION. This motorcycle rider most likely did
not go down by his own mistake but by the carelessness of someone
else.

If the viewers of this photograph remember it when they see a
motorcycle on the road and think, Yves has done a good thing here.
If the viewers of this photograph remember it when they start
paying too much attention to their cell phone, Yves has done a good
thing here. If the viewers of this photograph remember it when
they see a police officer and wonder if he or she has ever had to
tell the family of a victim such as this that their loved one will
never be coming home, or has held the hand of a crash victim as
they died, Yves has done a good thing here.

Every time I knock on a door in the middle of the night, I watch as
the face of reality takes hold and I become so mad at myself
because I know these people's lives will be forever changed by the
words that I am telling them. If the viewers of this photo think
of the victim's family and can even begin to digest how their lives
will never be the same, Yves has done a good thing here.

I have refrained from posting my crash photos on the forum for the
very reason I am seeing on this thread. Yves is braver than I am
and he has done a good thing if it will make people more conscious
when they drive. And judging by the responses here, I don't think
any of you will pass a motorcycle without thinking of this photo,
thus paying more attention.

Take this photo in the spirit it was meant and try to learn
something from what it means.

Now I am going to bed and will try to forget about almost being
struck head on in my cruiser four hours ago by a woman who's blood
alcohol level was .151, almost twice the legal limit. I wish
someone had shown her such a photograph.

Robbie
--
http://www.pbase.com/arkovich

--
Yves P.

 

[Marcus Valdes]

To me photography is to capture the things that happen in life. This photograph had a photojournalistic sense to me, nothing morbid. Morbid would have been a picture with the victim's guts all over the road. You ride a motorcycle you take a chance. This photo just reminds you of what can ultimately happen. The same is true of driving a car, but you do have a little more protection, no make that a lot more protection. As an EMT, and having seen what can happen on a motorcyle, you will NEVER catch me on one!

By the way, I used to hang glide in my younger days. When I first got into it I read an article on the dangers of it. I remember the article said hang gliding was safer than "riding a motorcycle in Arkansas". Doesn't say much for riding a bike in Arkansas.