What does the new 80D sensor suggest? Some thought this sensor would be a precursor.
RAW here:
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I've been wondering if perhaps Nikon made a licensing deal with Sony back in 2010 to get access to the column ADC technology. The D7000 (Sept 2010) was the first Nikon to have clean shadows, and no one other than Sony and Nikon had that for a few years, so maybe it was an exclusivity thing.
No, they just bought Sony sensors.
Is it just a coincidence that 5 years later, Nikon have released a camera that doesn't seem to benefit from Sony technology?
The D2H, D3, D3s, D4, D4s sensors didn't benefit from Sony technology. The D4 and D4s have on-chip ADCs, but not column parallel ones. I have a theory that the D5 also has on chip-ADCs, but that they are just the Analog Devices devices (as used on Canons and the D3 and D3s) integrated onto the chip. AD does sell their devices as IP blocks. Maybe they did that because the ADC IP for the D4 was from Aptina, who is under different ownership and might not have been willing to sell (or that the patent swap that Aptina and Sony did prevents it).
Was it a 5 year deal that specifically sought to stop Canon using such technology? Seems a bit odd that at the same time Nikon appears to have stopped using column ADCs, Canon appears to started.
Column ADCs are not exclusive to Sony. Panasonic, Toshiba and Samsung also use them. Now Canon does too.
Anyway, IF that's the case, I would expect Canon sensors to be much improved in terms of low ISO shadow noise, and since that looks like what has happened with the 80D and 1Dx II, yes, they (and the 5DIV) really have got new sensors.
The new Canon column ADCs are all their own work, I would wager. No Sony input.
they have not stooped to use column ADC, they don't use it D5, big difference
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Maybe you have an inside line at Nikon and you know far more than me (I hope so!), but it's a little odd that Nikon have released their most expensive DSLR ever with worse low ISO shadow noise than the model it replaces. I hope you're right, I really do, because no one wants to take a step backwards in image quality, no matter how small.
I guess the D500 will tell us whats going on one way or the other.
Why they don't use Sony in D5 ? high iso optimised camera , using their own IP (looks like a continuation of D3s) and this was made by another vendor than Sony, earlier D3s sensor was made together with Renesas. Today Renesas is own by Sony.
Renesas isn't owned by Sony. Sony just bough the fab line that Nikon used from Renesas. Renesas, as a company is still running. I would also say it's not quite accurate that the D3s was made 'together with Renesas'. Renesas was acting as a foundry, that is contract fabrication. All the design, so far as we know, was Nikon (though very possibly they bought in IP for the ADC on the D4)
Only Nikon knows , but that it is not the same as Nikon wouldn't use Sony in their D500 or or in the next generation of D800 series cameras
The top line Nikons have used a Nikon sensor since the D2H (though D2X was Sony, though very much made to Nikon specs just for Nikon). It's something they won't drop, just like Canon won't drop fabbing their own sensors, even if it makes no sense. It's corporate pride.
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