Difference between used vs. refurbished products

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I'm leaning toward purchasing the 18-140 Nikon lens for an upcoming weekend trip to Baltimore (want to keep camera packing to a minimum). Saw the lens on the Nikon website refurbished for $299 and around the same price range used at B&H and KEH. Photos welcomed.


Cindy
 
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I'm leaning toward purchasing the 18-140 Nikon lens for an upcoming weekend trip to Baltimore (want to keep camera packing to a minimum). Saw the lens on the Nikon website refurbished for $299 and around the same price range used at B&H and KEH. Photos welcomed.

Cindy
Refurb gets you a 90-day warranty. Used gets you no warranty unless it's from a big retailer. I think Adorama does a 30-day warranty on their used gear. The ones you mentioned might do the same.
I'm leaning toward purchasing the 18-140 Nikon lens for an upcoming weekend trip to Baltimore (want to keep camera packing to a minimum). Saw the lens on the Nikon website refurbished for $299 and around the same price range used at B&H and KEH. Photos welcomed.

Cindy
Refurb gets you a 90-day warranty. Used gets you no warranty unless it's from a big retailer. I think Adorama does a 30-day warranty on their used gear. The ones you mentioned might do the same.
 
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Thank you. Good to know. I think I saw a 180 day warranty (6 mos.) on the KEH website. So how do you like the 18-140 as a "walk around" lens ?

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I bought a refurbished 18-140 over a year ago and have been quite satisfied with it. A capable and versatile "walking around lens". Always with me when I travel along with my Nikon 35mm 1.8
 
Thank you. Good to know. I think I saw a 180 day warranty (6 mos.) on the KEH website. So how do you like the 18-140 as a "walk around" lens ?
 
Refurbished means the lens has been checked by the factory and confirmed to meet original specifications. Basically that it works like a new lens. A used lens has not been checked by the factory (though the store selling it might have checked it themselves).

If the prices are equal I would personally purchase the refurbished one over used.
 
Lukejc1 nailed it. I have the 18=140 (which I bought as a factory refurb) that I use for travel. I also carry the Nikon 35mm f/1.8 for indoor use. I don't normally use either of those lenses when I'm not on vacation. They are both decent and very light. The 18-140 has serious barrel distortion at the wide end and sometimes-noticeable pincushion distortion at the long end. Of course, it is not a very fast lens, which is why I pocket the 35mm to use with it. The lens is sharp and reasonably contrasty. For me, it is good enough for travel snaps and about as good a one-size-fits-all lens as you're likely to find. But, when I'm not travelling, it's just too much compromise to be an attractive choice. As always, YMMV
 
I'm leaning toward purchasing the 18-140 Nikon lens for an upcoming weekend trip to Baltimore (want to keep camera packing to a minimum). Saw the lens on the Nikon website refurbished for $299 and around the same price range used at B&H and KEH. Photos welcomed.

Cindy
I purchased my 18-140 refurbished through Cameta on E bay. 90 day factory warranty and one year through warranty through Cameta. lens came in mint condition and could pass for new.

I have my eye on a Refurbished 24-120 f/4 through another authorized Nikon dealer at about $500.00 for my D610.
 
Factory refurb is my choice. Adorama, BHPhoto, Cameta usually sell refurbs for less than NikonUSA. Cameta extends the warranty to one year. With some exceptions used lenses from Adorama, BHPhoto and K.E.H. are warranted for 6 months.
 
As a guide refurbished has had less used than secondhand. In addition refurbished has been checked and in good condition, usually by Nikon.
 
I've purchased 4 Nikon officially refurbished Nikkors in the past 2 years: 85 1.8; 28 1.8; 50 1.8 all directly from Nikon and a 24-120 f4 from Roberts. All were impecable and sharp. Most impressive was the 24-120, at $540 it is one of my sharpest lenses in spite of what you may read on these forums(great lens). In addition to the 90 day warranty, Roberts allows a time period for returns if the lens does not perform as it should, Nikon does not. All USA lenses- for future repair /resale sake. The 2 lenses I purchased used (70-200 2.8 VR1 and 300 f4 AFS) were both also very good but took a long time and much effort to find. Both on Ebay with no guarantees but priced much better than KEH, Adorama, BH etc... I'd go refurb from official Nikon sources.
 
I still wonder what a "refurbished" lens really is. Is it just a boxed lens that was returned, a used lens which has been checked out? Are any refurbished lenses just lenses that had problems (or were broken) and have been repaired?
 
I still wonder what a "refurbished" lens really is. Is it just a boxed lens that was returned, a used lens which has been checked out? Are any refurbished lenses just lenses that had problems (or were broken) and have been repaired?
Hmmmm. Well yer kinda rolling the dice i'm afraid.
  • The classic definition is repaired returned items that the first consumer found faulty. Frankly, those are the ones -- particularly with complex zoom lenses -- you do not wish to get. Either mis-manufactured tolerances or -- much worse -- first consumer impact damage problems latent in the lens can manifest themselves in later problems.
  • Some refurbs are returned items and exchanged that cannot be sold new and are, as mentioned, checked out before resale. Otherwise they are fine.
  • And some are (and i have been lucky enough to get a 24-120f4 of this group) "white box breakouts" with NikonUSA new warranty. As best i can tell the importer brought them in as kits but demand did not support the kit volumen imported.
i know of no way to ascertain which of these conditions a particular refurb item is from before the sale.

From a consumer point of view the big question is who -- exactly -- did the "refurb" function and warrants the item. Gray market refurbs means you are betting on the vendor/store.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.
 
Refurbished means repaired and then possibly recalibrated by Nikon. No reason to think that a used lens that has been repaired is better than a used lens that has not needed to be repaired. If a refurbished lens was truly that great a deal it would not come with a 90-day token warranty as compared to 5 years for a new Nikon lens.
 
Refurbished means repaired and then possibly recalibrated by Nikon. No reason to think that a used lens that has been repaired is better than a used lens that has not needed to be repaired. If a refurbished lens was truly that great a deal it would not come with a 90-day token warranty as compared to 5 years for a new Nikon lens.
 
I still wonder what a "refurbished" lens really is. Is it just a boxed lens that was returned, a used lens which has been checked out? Are any refurbished lenses just lenses that had problems (or were broken) and have been repaired?
Hmmmm. Well yer kinda rolling the dice i'm afraid.
  • The classic definition is repaired returned items that the first consumer found faulty. Frankly, those are the ones -- particularly with complex zoom lenses -- you do not wish to get. Either mis-manufactured tolerances or -- much worse -- first consumer impact damage problems latent in the lens can manifest themselves in later problems.
  • Some refurbs are returned items and exchanged that cannot be sold new and are, as mentioned, checked out before resale. Otherwise they are fine.
  • And some are (and i have been lucky enough to get a 24-120f4 of this group) "white box breakouts" with NikonUSA new warranty. As best i can tell the importer brought them in as kits but demand did not support the kit volumen imported.
i know of no way to ascertain which of these conditions a particular refurb item is from before the sale.

From a consumer point of view the big question is who -- exactly -- did the "refurb" function and warrants the item. Gray market refurbs means you are betting on the vendor/store.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.
Soooo, what is considered a "complex zoom lens" I'm now leaning toward the 24-120 F4.0 lens. Found a couple of reburbished ones running at $539-$579.
 
I still wonder what a "refurbished" lens really is. Is it just a boxed lens that was returned, a used lens which has been checked out? Are any refurbished lenses just lenses that had problems (or were broken) and have been repaired?
Hmmmm. Well yer kinda rolling the dice i'm afraid.
  • The classic definition is repaired returned items that the first consumer found faulty. Frankly, those are the ones -- particularly with complex zoom lenses -- you do not wish to get. Either mis-manufactured tolerances or -- much worse -- first consumer impact damage problems latent in the lens can manifest themselves in later problems.
  • Some refurbs are returned items and exchanged that cannot be sold new and are, as mentioned, checked out before resale. Otherwise they are fine.
  • And some are (and i have been lucky enough to get a 24-120f4 of this group) "white box breakouts" with NikonUSA new warranty. As best i can tell the importer brought them in as kits but demand did not support the kit volumen imported.
i know of no way to ascertain which of these conditions a particular refurb item is from before the sale.

From a consumer point of view the big question is who -- exactly -- did the "refurb" function and warrants the item. Gray market refurbs means you are betting on the vendor/store.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.
Soooo, what is considered a "complex zoom lens" I'm now leaning toward the 24-120 F4.0 lens. Found a couple of reburbished ones running at $539-$579.

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Cindy
Cindy --

That is precisely how mine was advertised. You might wish to call the vendor and, while on the phone, just ask if the item in question is a "white box"? If so, i would encourage you to buy. Essentially you are taking advantage of a mistaken business decision that nikon made to manufacture too many of these lenses. They do not wish to drop the MSRP price so Nikon vends the surplus through the refurb channel.

On the complex zoom point: compared to primes in general (although even they are getting more and more optically complex, if not mechanically) modern highly corrected and, particularly, high zoom ratio (like the 5x 24-120 being discussed) are an internal thicket of cams, electro-motors, precision mounting mechanisms, helicloids (several in many lenses), etc. Tolerances are often on the order of light's wavelengths. So it is more than a small miracle that they work as well as they do.

Lens Rental had an excellent summary of the manufacturing issues associated with them:

https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2016/02/optical-quality-assurance/

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.
 
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