Mordecai Papamichaels
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Isn't the D750 sensor pretty much the same than the D600?
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BirgerH
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Actually not really - but very close, I guess.
The sensor data are processed into RAW data by the ADC converter and the Expeed processor - and with them being somewhat different - so will the RAW datas. There's a reason for "updating" the Expeed - even Nikon does not document that reason.
I really doubt you will get two identical RAW-files of the "same shot" with the two cameras
Not that I think, differences will matter in no way - which I doubt will be the case, if shooting jpg neither.
BirgerH.
you are welcome to disagree.
Here is what you can actually expect out of the 180 on the D600. Note the P-Mp
http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Nikon/Nikon-AF-Nikkor-180mm-F28D-IF-ED-mounted-on-Nikon-D600__834
You caught that the 85 which the OP has is from the early AF film era; Not the AF-D or the G. Right?
If I were the OP, it'd take a close look at all the lens P-MP result with different combinations of camera bodies for dxomark..if you can even find them tested.
Also watch this video to understand this better:
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Mordecai Papamichaels
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As I see it, it says 13 MP (out of 24) vs 8 (out of 12). I would say is significant.
Didnt notice but it is my understanding that is not a bad lens. I have actually gone to the DXOmark site you mentioned and it says 17MP (D600) vs 10MP (D700). Not insignificant either.
Agreed. But it entails a danger... you will see all those lenses that perform so well (and are so expensive) ....
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If the OP feels happy buying a 24MP camera and only getting 13MP out of it that is really up to them. You have your opinion, I have mine. Which is fine. I'd rather get the better body with what he currently has. However, the OP should remember this point when they no doubt will go back to compare results between whatever camera and lens combination he ends up with and his friend's D750.
again, I need to disclose that I own a D600. What are you shooting?
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h5ch
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Forgot to also mention I do some aviation photography, which requires really long lenses, as I've found 300mm at DX crop not enough.. but I'm still on the fence between the various 150-600 and the 200-500.
h5ch
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Mainly ergonomics.
The tilting LCD, extra battery life, and I seem to like the placements of buttons on the D750 better.
I do like the Wi-Fi function as an extra.
However, I think I'll just get a D6x0 and a battery grip.. as I like battery grips and I'm inseparable from them...
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here is my list of things I would have liked as an improvement on the D6x0 and other things that you listed that the D750 has.
You can do the same thing on the D600 using an add in wifi adapter. However, I have found the app and feature set of Nikon wifi across the board to be quite bad. Regardless of which model body. In short, it been a disappointed I don't use it. I hope this changes with their upcoming switch to Snapbridge. Have a look at the reviews of the wifi.. especially if you will be using an app on your smart phone. take a close look before you value this too much.
I was not aware of any significant difference in battery life.
Most people find that the D6x0 mis-focuses in artificial lighting. i.e. typical indoor photography. I can confirm that it does. However, it can be fixed. Recently Nikon did some kind of magic on mine and now I can get accurate focus with different kinds of light. However, it did cost me $155 for them to fix plus shipping the camera to them. So budget for that if you intend to shot it anything other than mid time daylight. Oh.. yeah.. golden hour throws it off too with the warm light.
If you wear glasses, you really should handle the camera in landscape orientation ahead of time and check that all of the corners are clear to you with your glasses on. Same goes for the D750. Put the camera up to white wall or sky and see if it feels comfortable to you and you can see all the corners at once without read adjusting your position. Also make sure its comfortable as the viewfinder is actually recessed into the body, tilting my head at an awkward angle more than pro bodies. The net result, are two darker corners and uncomfortable to use compared to the pro bodies. If you have a store near you, go compare between D6x0, D750 and a pro body like D8x0, D4s and if they have used D700.
It has no way to do quick one button 100% review of the focus area to check focus. On the higher end bodies you can simply hit the "OK" button in the middle of my multi-selector and get a 100% view of where you focused.
The flash x-sync is limited to 1/200. If you want to overpower daylight with your flash, every little bit more helps.
No way to lock the aperture dial and shutter dials. I often bump these and its kind of annoying to keep inspecting settings between shots to make sure they didn't move.
Tends to need cleaning of the sensor more than my other cameras. However, that said all camera need cleaning eventually. If you have a D600, the service is free for life but you need to pay for shipping to Nikon. Could be a pro or could be a con. Depends on your point of view.
Other than that its a great camera. Enjoy.
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Paul Do
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If I were to start from the beginning now.. I would look for a used D610 on Fred Miranda and get a Tamron 35mm F1.8 for $500, and Tokina 100mm Macro for $380. The Tokina would serve as a portrait and macro lense.. Buy it good once and you don't have to resell and buy something else later on..
I've been shooting with the D600 and D610 for 2 1/2 years and this has never been an issue for me. I've never heard anyone mentioning this as an issue, before. To suggest "most people" have experienced this problem is a gross exaggeration of reality.
I wear glasses and this is a total non-issue for me. Prior to your post, I've never heard or read of a D600/D610 owner experiencing this.
The D610 is an entry level, full frame body built around what is still one of the best sensors available on the market, today. A photographer can easily overcome minor issues like those you've identified. You can't use technique to overcome a lesser quality sensor. For the person who's clearly focused on sports and/or wildlife as their only interest(s) in photography, I could see the pro controls and build quality of the D700 being of interest. But for the generalist who's interested in a broad range of photography, The D610 is clearly the better choice.
T O Shooter
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Same exchange rate as on Ebay, eh. You can get a used D600 for $1000 to $1200 here in Toronto. Could you not do the same in Vancouver?
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3380290
a quick poll that I did recently:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57170825
and if want to hear it from the horse's mouth here is acknowledgement from Nikon they fixed it on later camera like the D810 (see Q31/A31).
http://nikonrumors.com/2016/01/08/n...ed-confidential-nikon-internal-document.aspx/
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/57310159
http://strobist.blogspot.com/2012/09/nikon-d600-think-twice-before-you-jump.html#more
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Mordecai Papamichaels
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I also use mainly a D600 and with some careful processing you get more than those 13-17MP out of those lenses. Still, I get your point of the diminishing returns with lenses that not take the best out of sensors. It is just that considering the 100-200 USD different in price I think the D600 is a better deal (again this is totally subjective).
BTW, the D600 is not my only camera but it is my workhorse and it suits my shooting.
With respect, neither the thread, nor poll nor Nikon "internal" memo offer any foundation for the blanket statement that the D600/D610 regularly misses focus in artificial lighting. The memo acknowledges the D5's AF algorithm is improved in comparison to the D4 and D810. One would hope a newly released flagship camera will deliver improved performance over its predecessors. The poll results are for a statistically insignificant 11 responses. No conclusions about D600/D610 performance can be drawn from it. The thread is inconclusive, at best, about the cause of the focusing issues the OP was experiencing.
On a personal note, other than hoping the OP of this thread is getting input that will aid in making a choice of equipment that will meet his interests and budget, I don't care which product he chooses. However, it would be a disservice to allow a person to be steered away from a viable option based on unsupported claims about performance. The IQ of the D610 sensor makes that camera a great value at its price. The features, controls and other specs make it an entry level body...which is to be expected, based on its price.
I wish the OP success on his decision.
The D600 body is around $800 on eBay, the D610 about $1200 and D750 about $1600. They're all incredibly similar in size, button layout and IQ. The D750 is a bit faster AF in low light. If I was on a tight budget I wouldn't hesitate going for the 600. Even if you have oil and dirt issues, Nikon will still replace the shutter or upgrade the camera for free.
j_photo
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Since your funds are limited, I think the choice is easy. All three models, D600, 610, and 750, are close in IQ. Spending less on the body and more on lenses will get you the best images. Also, good glass generally outlasts a good body.
Spending more on good lenses will give you better results now and in the future.
Spending more on good lenses will give you better results now and in the future.
Grig
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Short answer - D600 and spend rest on glass...
dmaclau
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I would think that the D750, D610 and D600 could give a similar experience and it would depend upon what good used models are available.
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