5DSr JPG picture styles

I initially noticed the usual extra detail in RAW images compared to JPG's using the default camera settings (as with my old 5DIII). The review of the 5DSr also mentioned detail/sharpness issues with the JPG's from this camera (a usual Canon trait). Another poster mentioned liking the 'fine detail' picture style in another thread so I thought I'd have a go...the result surprised me...





Look at the reflection top right of the left hand paperweight. Now your'e talking !. The wood below shows more detail too that was clearly smudged out of the 'neutral' shot. Looking at the original JPG's on my monitor I struggle to see any sharpening halo's, there is clearly more detail. If the 5DSr JPG's excite you then I'd recommend you try this picture style and prepare to weep.

Pixel peepers please note this was an unaltered BMP screen shot saved as JPG so will have additional JPG artifacts not present on my monitor. 200% crops. Images shot with 24-70 F2.8 L II at 70mm, on a short tripod, live view (focused at 16x magnification) and IR (RC-1) release. The neutral shot was around 12Mb in size, the fine picture shot around 14Mb so not a problematic increase.

I tried applying unsharp mask to the 'neutral' image but could not bring out the detail of the 'fine detail' shot. Landscape style has sharpening turned up to max, I'll redo the whole test with my Sigma 50 'ART' yet expect to be disappointed with the 'Landscape' style.

Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Sigma 50/1.4 DG A, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

CaptureIT said:

I initially noticed the usual extra detail in RAW images compared to JPG's using the default camera settings (as with my old 5DIII). The review of the 5DSr also mentioned detail/sharpness issues with the JPG's from this camera (a usual Canon trait). Another poster mentioned liking the 'fine detail' picture style in another thread so I thought I'd have a go...the result surprised me...



Look at the reflection top right of the left hand paperweight. Now your'e talking !. The wood below shows more detail too that was clearly smudged out of the 'neutral' shot. Looking at the original JPG's on my monitor I struggle to see any sharpening halo's, there is clearly more detail. If the 5DSr JPG's excite you then I'd recommend you try this picture style and prepare to weep.

Pixel peepers please note this was an unaltered BMP screen shot saved as JPG so will have additional JPG artifacts not present on my monitor. 200% crops. Images shot with 24-70 F2.8 L II at 70mm, on a short tripod, live view (focused at 16x magnification) and IR (RC-1) release. The neutral shot was around 12Mb in size, the fine picture shot around 14Mb so not a problematic increase.

I tried applying unsharp mask to the 'neutral' image but could not bring out the detail of the 'fine detail' shot. Landscape style has sharpening turned up to max, I'll redo the whole test with my Sigma 50 'ART' yet expect to be disappointed with the 'Landscape' style.

Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Sigma 50/1.4 DG A, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

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Can you post the full jpegs, i.e no crop?

I started using "Neutral" with my 5DS, but quickly settled on the Landscape/Detail settings. I never noticed that large of a difference, but its possible it was similar and I just never gave it a real assessment after trying the other two.

But to be fully upfront, for me... with this camera... the JPEGs are mostly for quick viewing and assessment of a RAW file to be processed.

I'd rather not display my front room to the world . I'll be doing a more rigorous test soon and will post original jpg's if possible (are there limits on file size here ??).

I did a further test using the landscape picture style. As suspected, sharpening is too strong and halo's are clearly visible at pixel level. I also tested the 'fine detail' style with a Hoya pro1 circular polarizer on my Sigma 50 ART. Yes detail was reduced but still not as bad as the 'neutral' picture style without polarizer! .

Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Sigma 50/1.4 DG A, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

I'm a big fan of Fine Detail for JPEGs (and Neutral for video) and I think FD is one of the 5Dsr's really nice extras over earlier Canon cameras. (I shoot a Raw too though, the often the FD JPEGs are fine to use as-is.)

Dr_Jon said:

I'm a big fan of Fine Detail for JPEGs (and Neutral for video) and I think FD is one of the 5Dsr's really nice extras over earlier Canon cameras. (I shoot a Raw too though, the often the FD JPEGs are fine to use as-is.)

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But it is just a picture style, isn't it?

So basically it can be used with other cameras as well?

Fog Maker said:

Dr_Jon said:

I'm a big fan of Fine Detail for JPEGs (and Neutral for video) and I think FD is one of the 5Dsr's really nice extras over earlier Canon cameras. (I shoot a Raw too though, the often the FD JPEGs are fine to use as-is.)

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But it is just a picture style, isn't it?

So basically it can be used with other cameras as well?

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You can do it in post-processing if you use DPP, however it replies on the camera supporting a particular type of (USM-like) sharpening which Canon cameras pre-5Ds/sr don't have. As far as I know you can't do this in-camera with any other camera, well probably until next week when the 1DxII appears anyway... (Edit - the picture style editor's history says you can't add this to cameras without FD built-in.)

Why not just shoot Raw? If you don't have time to edit all the photos, you can set up a preset with a picture style that you like and you can put that preset on a thousand pictures in less than a minute.

I can't trust any of the presets.

Presets are fine as a starting point but the problem with them and picture styles, is that they don't work for every picture every time.