Coming from a D80, should I go to D750 or go to D7200?

Just get the D7200. If your lenses suit the work you're doing now, they'll continue to suit on the D7200.

If you don't have a clear and sound reason to change to an FX system already in your head, then there is likely to be no good reason to do so. The jump to a D7200 will be a large one, sensor, AF, and overall capability will be significantly improved over the old D80.

That Sigma standard zoom is a 17-70mm f2.8, not 18-50 as you've written more than once.

Which FLs do you use most? If

• 35mm or less, go for FF, it makes sense, there are many more lenses as options.
• between 35mm and 85mm, then either is ok from a lens pov
• consistently above 85mm, stay dx

There are other aspects of course. For example, if you would like to have a body capable of shooting action, then the new D500 makes much more sense, and it will have sota AF, sensor, speed and tracking/metering. To get that in FF you need a D5, 3+x more expensive and large and heavy.

If you are more interested in portraits, landscape, then FF makes more sense.

Cheeres, good luck.

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bilion13 said:

Hi

I live in Europe andI would like everyones help and advice on what to buy. I currently have the Nikon D80 and these 3 lenses:

Sigma 18-50 2.8 EXD

Tokina 11-16 f.28

Nikon 70-300 4-5.6 D

Im still learning photography and I want to make an upgrade. I am between the Nikon D7200 (900 euros) and the Nikon D750 with 24-120 lens (1800 euros).

The above prices are through Grey imports.

I mainly will shoot the following: (in order)

1. Lots of family photos and school plays etc.

2. Landscape (especially low light)

3. Videography is important to me too

4. Timelapse

5. Second photographer at friends wedding

6. Street photography

7. Travel

Now with the above that I mentioned. Is it worth the turn to Fx, and from there slowly slowly build up my gear?

Is the Nikon 24-120 f4 lens much better than my Sigma 18-50 lens which is my daily lens?

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That is an old lens. It is "DC" lens, which means it is only for crop-sensor bodies, thus it will work on the D7200 but not on the D750.

bilion13 said:

Is the Sigma 18-50 lens a good lens, in which i will be able to get out quality pictures with the Nikon D7200?

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It's best characteristic is the constant f/2.8 setting. It's worse characteristic is the chromatic aberrations. Read this report:

bilion13 said:

I know most of you will say that I have to start learning to shoot better and that the more expensive camera wont make better photos.

But I do want to go the next step further. Like I said before, 900 euros for d7200 and 1800 for d750 with 24-120 f4 lens.

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If you get the D750, you will have to start over collecting lenses. All your lenses appear to be for crop-sensors only.

bilion13 said:

Is the double price worth it? its an extra 900 euros.

Will I benefit going to Fx with the above 7 things I mentioned?

Oh. Either I go to Fx or stay Dx, Im definetly going to get a prime later on, and im not selling my gear if I go to Fx.

Thanks.

Jim

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Unless you have at least couple of thousand USD to spend in the near future for new lenses, I'd stay with DX. I still have my D80 converted to IR. Believe me the step up to the D7200 will be HUGE in every way, nearly 3 stops better high iso performance, much better AF, better dynamic range, better camera features, more customization possible than with the D80. Better in every way by a few generations. You'll have plenty to learn that will satisfy for years. You won't be disappointed.

Stick with the DX size body if you have a lot of lenses just for that size. Otherwise the D750 would get you into full frame if you want great bokeh and use of wide angle lenses. OR better yet get the newly announced D500 if you stick with DX size sensor.

Thanks for the reply and the advice.

So far most of you say I should stay with Dx.

One thing tha makes me think about changing is that I believe I have weak and not so good lenses.

So maybe an upgrade to ff will be a better choice for me.

As lenses go. Im not thinking of buying alot at the moment. All i want is a primary zoom and then 1 or 2 prime lenses later on.

Also, no one has given me advice about the video capabilities in these to cameras. Any advice on that?

Oh i like the flip out screen the d750 has

Any other recommendations are welcome.

Final. I love the feal of a dslr in my hands and i dont have a problem with the size of a camera. Im saying this cause of the D750 is abit bigger than thd D7200.

I started off my photography interest with a D80 as well, upgraded to a D300s, then a D4. With the low light requirement you have, Kids plays, weddings etc, I would strongly recommend getting the best camera you can afford. The D750 is much better than the d7200. I would also recommend looking at a used D3s as another option, or D4, once the D5 gets released, price will fall. Just my 2 cents

bilion13 said:

Thanks for the reply and the advice.

So far most of you say I should stay with Dx.

One thing tha makes me think about changing is that I believe I have weak and not so good lenses.

So maybe an upgrade to ff will be a better choice for me.

As lenses go. Im not thinking of buying alot at the moment. All i want is a primary zoom and then 1 or 2 prime lenses later on.

Also, no one has given me advice about the video capabilities in these to cameras. Any advice on that?

Oh i like the flip out screen the d750 has

Any other recommendations are welcome.

Final. I love the feal of a dslr in my hands and i dont have a problem with the size of a camera. Im saying this cause of the D750 is abit bigger than thd D7200.

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Sounds like you want to go full frame. If you've never shot it, don't underestimate the loss of DOF and the loss of reach the 1.5 crop factor affords. I'd experiment with your lenses as far as reach goes, try to simulate that and see if you can live with it. If you were into portraiture or styles of photography that may benefit from shallow DOF I would lean more toward FX. Remember with FX you'll have to stop down more to achieve the same DOF equivalent to DX, that can nearly negate the better high iso benefit of FX. I'm certainly not knocking FX, but it's important to know these things.

The Tokina 11-16mm is a very good wide angle DX lens.

Coming from the D80 the D7200 will be such a HUGE jump in high iso performance, I can't imagine you being unsatisfied. If you can try the two cameras out in a store or something before buying, that might help you make your decision.

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Jim--

i think that this is a tougher call than some of the commenters have claimed. i shot a d80 for five years, and know it well. i shoot a d600 now, after almost five years of a d7000. i am also someone that primarily focuses on lenses, not bodies, in my work. Oops, yah, and i am a baby boomer that -- truth be told --finds all bodies cheap compared to the dad-gum film i useta buy every month . . .

Oops, i should also say that i am an economist by profession . . .

So here's the deal: i probably wouldn't buy either of these bodies if i was economically constrained and had your portfolio of lens assets. If i wished to stay DX, i'd go d7100 (or maybe d5x00) and use my current lenses a few more years. Believe me, the sensor on the d7100 or d5100+ is a HUGE step up from the d80. So is AF, etc.

BUT if FX is in your sights -- and i well know the reasons for that -- i would not get a d750 if resource constrained. The bodies are consumables and you will want to upgrade in a few years. d600s or d610s can be had for cheap now and are -- and i say this with first-hand knowledge -- way WAY better DR, resolution, and higher ISO than your d80. A huge step up; easily a stop or more than going to a contemporary DX sensor.

But there is also the lens issue. Yah, it is a problem. I'd say in FX get a white box 24-120 as i did (about $600) and then hold off until further opportunities open up. Bottomline: you can get a d600 plus a quality FX mid-zoom for about $1500 if you shop carefully. A bargain if you ask me.

But using current glass with a d7100 at $900 is also a good deal, and a major improvement.

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Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.

Have you thought about renting both bodies, one at a time and then making your decision based upon real in your hands use, rather than other peoples opinions? It is a great way to see if a camera will work for you, and could save you from making a choice that you will regret later.

Something to consider is that a lens like the 24-120mm f4 is OK but not stellar and with f4 maximum aperture it will be slower to focus than lenses like the 24-70mm f2.8 in low light situations.

For landscape photography the better lenses are designed for the full frame cameras where you have the choices in zoom lenses of the 14-24mm, 18-35mm f3.5, and 16-35mm f2.8 from Nikon as well as from others such as Sigma.

For wedding photography a 24-70mm f2.8 and a 70-200mm f2.8 VR are all that is needed and you can rent the 70-200mm for your friend's wedding.

For landscape photography the D610 is as good a camera as the D750 though better yet is to buy a used D800e which will cost less than either of the other two cameras if purchased new. Many people sold their D800e cameras to buy the D810 and this means a savings of more than 50% of the purchase price of the D800e.

Nikon seem to have roused from their torpor with DX and personally I'd remain a DX user with that selection of lenses. FX will be a very costly experience and you'll get better value from a DX body. I'd seriously look at the D500 accepting it is a more costly venture.

The D750 have a DX-mode that will be a HUGE step up compared to your D80 AND you will have access to FX with avery good 24-120 VR lens. VR does not do wonder but it helps alot to minimize camera shake.

IF you are dedicated to develop your photography skill and have the money, I think the D750 will be much more versatile for your use than the D7200.

There is for some strange reason forbidden to use a FX-camera in DX-mode but for taking the step from DX to FX without throwing away your DX-lenses it make sense.

I also think that the 24-120 on the D750 in DX mode will deliver better than any of your old lens on the D7200. I belive this, I do not have any hard fact or experience.

I own the D750 with the 24-120.
I just moved from the D200 to the D750 an before that I have owned the F80 (N80?) and the D70.I came to the conclusion that FX was more versatile for me in everyday photagraph than the DX

Magnus A said:

The D750 have a DX-mode that will be a HUGE step up compared to your D80 AND you will have access to FX with avery good 24-120 VR lens. VR does not do wonder but it helps alot to minimize camera shake.

IF you are dedicated to develop your photography skill and have the money, I think the D750 will be much more versatile for your use than the D7200.
There is for some strange reason forbidden to use a FX-camera in DX-mode but for taking the step from DX to FX without throwing away your DX-lenses it make sense.
I also think that the 24-120 on the D750 in DX mode will deliver better than any of your old lens on the D7200. I belive this, I do not have any hard fact or experience.

I own the D750 with the 24-120.
I just moved from the D200 to the D750 an before that I have owned the F80 (N80?) and the D70.I came to the conclusion that FX was more versatile for me in everyday photagraph than the DX

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A lot of people including me don't like using DX mode the way it's presented in the viewfinder. I'd rather just crop. I don't think it's viable to present FX as both DX and FX. Certainly DX lenses "can be" used in DX mode, but it's not the same as having a true DX camera. For the money the 24-120mm is not a great lens, not even very good just good. Hopefully the OP can try both bodies out, nothing like doing that for decision making.

lac111 said:

Magnus A said:

The D750 have a DX-mode that will be a HUGE step up compared to your D80 AND you will have access to FX with avery good 24-120 VR lens. VR does not do wonder but it helps alot to minimize camera shake.

IF you are dedicated to develop your photography skill and have the money, I think the D750 will be much more versatile for your use than the D7200.
There is for some strange reason forbidden to use a FX-camera in DX-mode but for taking the step from DX to FX without throwing away your DX-lenses it make sense.
I also think that the 24-120 on the D750 in DX mode will deliver better than any of your old lens on the D7200. I belive this, I do not have any hard fact or experience.

I own the D750 with the 24-120.
I just moved from the D200 to the D750 an before that I have owned the F80 (N80?) and the D70.I came to the conclusion that FX was more versatile for me in everyday photagraph than the DX

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A lot of people including me don't like using DX mode the way it's presented in the viewfinder. I'd rather just crop. I don't think it's viable to present FX as both DX and FX. Certainly DX lenses "can be" used in DX mode, but it's not the same as having a true DX camera. For the money the 24-120mm is not a great lens, not even very good just good. Hopefully the OP can try both bodies out, nothing like doing that for decision making.

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I understand the feeling for the viewfinder presentation.
For the 24-120 as a kit lens bundled with the D750, I would like to know of a significant better lens for the same price with an equally good support.

To be frank. IF you come from the D80 and choose between a D7200 and a D750, the 24-70 2.8 VR is not to consider due to the price.
For the money, the bundled D750 with the 24-120 VR is hard to beat, both in value and versatility. But please, give me a better offer in the price range than the D750 and 24-120VR that also can handle the DX lenses in question!