Is it the (DPR) site, or is it a browser?

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When I click on the image below:




C-130T Fat Albert

I end up in the 'viewing tool', where, when I click '1:1 one hundred percent' I really get the '2:1 two hundred percent' view.

The reason I know the tool is going to behave the way I describe, is because that is how it behaves when I click on the image in another thread.

The reason I know it is 200% and not 100% is because I can see how the 100% image looks like in say, Lightroom or Flickr, and also, because I know the image is 4000 pix-wide and I know how wide my screen is.

It is not only my browser/machine behaving that way. Other computers display 200% when they are supposed to display 100% as well.

Is this some browser setting, or is it the DPR site issue?
 
When I click on the image below:


C-130T Fat Albert

I end up in the 'viewing tool', where, when I click '1:1 one hundred percent' I really get the '2:1 two hundred percent' view.

The reason I know the tool is going to behave the way I describe, is because that is how it behaves when I click on the image in another thread.

The reason I know it is 200% and not 100% is because I can see how the 100% image looks like in say, Lightroom or Flickr, and also, because I know the image is 4000 pix-wide and I know how wide my screen is.

It is not only my browser/machine behaving that way. Other computers display 200% when they are supposed to display 100% as well.

Is this some browser setting, or is it the DPR site issue?
Can you screenshot the problem? Also, are you on OSX or Windows and which browser? Using Chrome on Windows 10, the 100% is working fine for me.
 
When I click on the image below:


C-130T Fat Albert

I end up in the 'viewing tool', where, when I click '1:1 one hundred percent' I really get the '2:1 two hundred percent' view.

The reason I know the tool is going to behave the way I describe, is because that is how it behaves when I click on the image in another thread.

The reason I know it is 200% and not 100% is because I can see how the 100% image looks like in say, Lightroom or Flickr, and also, because I know the image is 4000 pix-wide and I know how wide my screen is.

It is not only my browser/machine behaving that way. Other computers display 200% when they are supposed to display 100% as well.

Is this some browser setting, or is it the DPR site issue?
Can you screenshot the problem? Also, are you on OSX or Windows and which browser? Using Chrome on Windows 10, the 100% is working fine for me.
Thanks for your reply. Here is the problem in screenshots:

100%, Flickr screenshot:


At max size, a 4000 pix-wide image takes ~4/5 of the width of the screen



100%, DPR 'viewing tool'


same image in DPR viewer, at '1:1 one hundred percent'

Flickr is obviously right at 100%.

DPR seems even larger than 2:1.

Can it be fixed?
 
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I see what you mean. Are you using the 5k iMac? I noticed that my 100% on 1080p has the same scale as your 100% screenshot. At full size, because your display has more pixels than the photo, it outputs correctly. At 1:1, I think it is zoomed further in than it should be, as you say. At 100%, the image should be halved horizontally, so it indeed looks like only about 2000pixels are being stretched to cover nearly the 5000 width of your display! Perhaps DPR uses a different definition for 1:1 than other programs? It should display pixels 1 for 1, but for you it's not. Sorry I can't help further.
 
When I click on the image below:


C-130T Fat Albert

I end up in the 'viewing tool', where, when I click '1:1 one hundred percent' I really get the '2:1 two hundred percent' view.

The reason I know the tool is going to behave the way I describe, is because that is how it behaves when I click on the image in another thread.

The reason I know it is 200% and not 100% is because I can see how the 100% image looks like in say, Lightroom or Flickr, and also, because I know the image is 4000 pix-wide and I know how wide my screen is.

It is not only my browser/machine behaving that way. Other computers display 200% when they are supposed to display 100% as well.

Is this some browser setting, or is it the DPR site issue?
Can you screenshot the problem? Also, are you on OSX or Windows and which browser? Using Chrome on Windows 10, the 100% is working fine for me.
Thanks for your reply. Here is the problem in screenshots:

100%, Flickr screenshot:


At max size, a 4000 pix-wide image takes ~4/5 of the width of the screen

100%, DPR 'viewing tool'


same image in DPR viewer, at '1:1 one hundred percent'

Flickr is obviously right at 100%.

DPR seems even larger than 2:1.

Can it be fixed?
Are you using a 5K iMac? What scaling do you have set for the UI? Your screen shot (including menus, windows etc is 2x bigger. Take a look at the canon ad on the right. That is designed and delivered to your browser at 300x250 pixels, yet in your screenshot it is approx 860 pixels wide (coincidentally a 'more than 200% increase').



6b38171138e842bb907faec571e2eb3a.jpg

I'm not super familiar with 5K iMacs, but i know that our retina iMacs had problems with scaling in adobe applications for a few months before Adobe added fixes to LR and PS.

I do want to get to the bottom of this for you but just responding with 'you're wrong, fix it' when yours is the only complaint is not making it easy.

Simon

--
Simon Joinson, Editor-in-chief
dpreview.com
connect.dpreview.com
 
When I click on the image below:


C-130T Fat Albert

I end up in the 'viewing tool', where, when I click '1:1 one hundred percent' I really get the '2:1 two hundred percent' view.

The reason I know the tool is going to behave the way I describe, is because that is how it behaves when I click on the image in another thread.

The reason I know it is 200% and not 100% is because I can see how the 100% image looks like in say, Lightroom or Flickr, and also, because I know the image is 4000 pix-wide and I know how wide my screen is.

It is not only my browser/machine behaving that way. Other computers display 200% when they are supposed to display 100% as well.

Is this some browser setting, or is it the DPR site issue?
Can you screenshot the problem? Also, are you on OSX or Windows and which browser? Using Chrome on Windows 10, the 100% is working fine for me.
Thanks for your reply. Here is the problem in screenshots:

100%, Flickr screenshot:


At max size, a 4000 pix-wide image takes ~4/5 of the width of the screen

100%, DPR 'viewing tool'


same image in DPR viewer, at '1:1 one hundred percent'

Flickr is obviously right at 100%.

DPR seems even larger than 2:1.

Can it be fixed?
Are you using a 5K iMac? What scaling do you have set for the UI? Your screen shot (including menus, windows etc is 2x bigger. Take a look at the canon ad on the right. That is designed and delivered to your browser at 300x250 pixels, yet in your screenshot it is approx 860 pixels wide (coincidentally a 'more than 200% increase').

6b38171138e842bb907faec571e2eb3a.jpg

I'm not super familiar with 5K iMacs, but i know that our retina iMacs had problems with scaling in adobe applications for a few months before Adobe added fixes to LR and PS.

I do want to get to the bottom of this for you but just responding with 'you're wrong, fix it' when yours is the only complaint is not making it easy.
Sorry if it comes across that way. Did not mean it that way at all.

I am not at all super familiar with 5k displays myslef. I am just a user :) From what I recall I read somewhere the new high dpi displays all have the same issue. When displaying the content designed for the 'old' (~100dpi) displays, the result is impossible to accept - it is just too small (obviously). And hence the user iface is being 'doubled' in size - all that icons/menus/whatnots.

But there seems no reason to force 'double' the other stuff - like for example when a photo is displayed.

I am likely off on technical details, but I believe OSX 'pretends' to be the old-style display (when it is actualy running a Retina display), so that the 'normal' content displays as expected. Then there is something (whatever that is) that needs to be queried/checked to see what the 'real' screen resolution/size actualy is. And some sites, like flickr, do query/check that something, and display photos in the right resolution/dimensions.

I believe DPR falls into that same category (as flickr), and so it should try and make an effort to accomodate the bigger/higher dpi displays as well.



I believe it is an important issue, because there are going to be more and more high dpi displays in use. Moreover, I suspect all Apple laptops/iPads with Retina displays suffer from the same issue. It is just likely, that for the screen, which is few inches wide, nobody cares enough to complain, or perhaps even wants the true 100% to be displayed - those screens are too small for that.

Anyway. I am happy you want to get to the bottom of it. I suspect we'd need some "graphics geeks" to find out what it is that flickr does to figure out the screen it is drawing on.

Thanks for your attention to this matter.

 
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Flickr is obviously right at 100%.

DPR seems even larger than 2:1.

Can it be fixed?
Are you using a 5K iMac? What scaling do you have set for the UI? Your screen shot (including menus, windows etc is 2x bigger. Take a look at the canon ad on the right. That is designed and delivered to your browser at 300x250 pixels, yet in your screenshot it is approx 860 pixels wide (coincidentally a 'more than 200% increase').

I'm not super familiar with 5K iMacs, but i know that our retina iMacs had problems with scaling in adobe applications for a few months before Adobe added fixes to LR and PS.

I do want to get to the bottom of this for you but just responding with 'you're wrong, fix it' when yours is the only complaint is not making it easy.
I'm having the same problem with my Lenovo Yoga 920 with 4K display. Some screen shots from this photo from the DPReview Pixel 2 review

Screenshot of DPReview 100% images as viewed in Firefox on my Yoga 920
Screenshot of DPReview 100% images as viewed in Firefox on my Yoga 920

Screenshot of 100% viewed in Photoshop. Other viewers show the same at 100%
Screenshot of 100% viewed in Photoshop. Other viewers show the same at 100%

My 920 is set to 250% scaling.

Just a reminder that this problem still exists and is an issue for those of us with high DPI monitors. It is time consuming to have to download any image and open it in Photoshop or in a local viewer program when I want to compare it at 100%.

My Surface Pro 3 also acts this way. (DPReview "100%" images are scaled up so they aren't 100% at all.)

This can't be helping the many "it looks horrible at 100%" type battles. Because DPReview hosted images do look horrible when ostensibly viewed at 100% in a browser. On a high DPI machine that uses scaling.

Wayne
 
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