Who only shoots MFT? Do you miss something?

john van rosendaal said:

To the people here who only use MFT, do you ever feel you're missing something?

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When I do need "something" w.r.t. low light capability, the extra 2 stops of 35mm isn't enough to make a big difference.

What I do miss, though:

• Good T&S lens selection
• Longer lenses & general purpose tele extenders
• PDAF

There are T&S options for m43, but nothing from Oly / Pany.

EM1 has PDAF, but it isn't Nikon.

Longer lenses coming. No idea on the tele-extenders.

Dan --

I have not found, using the FL36R and my EM5 the flash exposure output to be consistent, which is something that the Nikon CLS gets bang on every time.

I adjust the remote flash's output in the RC menu (clumsier than Nikon's too, thank-you-very-much) and sometimes it over exposes, sometimes it unders.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.

I don't shoot bird photography, and find iso 2000 more than adequate for anything I do and any more most cameras handle that with ease. I never rarely shoot at focal lengths greater than 50mm. The E-M10 has been great for landscapes and street shooting.

I NEVER carry a bunch of crap with me. I usually take one camera and one lens with me. the photos below are pretty typical of what I shoot. Could they be sharper? I guess, but I'm pretty happy with them.



















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I look good fat, I'm gonna look good old. . .

Sounds somewhat familiar, a little bright spot in the frame with the original 4/3rds would make it jump all over. I started with Olympus and I guess that's where I learned to pretty much put them in manual and fire away!

Thanks for your info...Dan

I came from FF to m43 and was very happy for over a year. Now, as I'm trying to do some environmental portraits with a lot of planning, rather than carrying, and I would love to have a MF camera. That said, $30k isn't something I spend for a hobby

The perspective distortion of MF is just so much better for that kind of work!

But FF doesn't really interest me at all. I started loving 4:3 and will crop FF when I borrow one.

I guess my perfect camera right now would be a MF (with no crop). As a backup or for work wich is not planned out perfectly, I would go to my E-M1

I doubt if Olympus know as they are probably dependent on whatever they can buy in. My hope is that Samsung develop a 4/3 sensor to take away a bit of a Sony monopoly developing in this area. I know there are others like Aptina and Panasonic themselves developing sensors but it seems to me rightly or wrongly that Sony are running the show at present.

This merging of images is a bit of a temporary bodge and demonstrates they have a bit of a problem in getting a competitive sensor. Whilst the leaders in the sensor field produce their own cameras that is going to be a problem.

Dan said:

Who knows what Oly will bring out and when...and how good will it be? Theoretically they could do the high rez in sensor alone but then how good would the dynamic range be and how noisy?

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Greynerd said:

I doubt if Olympus know as they are probably dependent on whatever they can buy in. My hope is that Samsung develop a 4/3 sensor to take away a bit of a Sony monopoly developing in this area.

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Really unlikely.

It's more the case that Olympus engineers can input design ideas to Sony in regard to the 4/3 sensors that they intend to use, though most likely they just pick off the shelf from this list http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/IS/sensor2/products/index.html with the IMX269 being probably the one to appear in the E-M1 Mk2.

Member said:

I know there are others like Aptina and Panasonic themselves developing sensors but it seems to me rightly or wrongly that Sony are running the show at present.

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Aptina and Sony have agreed on a patent exchange deal so may speed up developments from both. http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/aptina-and-sony-cross-license-each-others-camera-patents/

Regards..... Guy

But Sony sell cameras so they are always going to ensure their cameras are ahead of the opposition. So they will balance it so they sell the sensors when they are no longer state of the art.

If you buy sensors from another camera manufacturer you really are at their mercy and Sony will do whatever suits Sony as regards the balance of their camera and sensor revenues. The chip may exist on paper but when it is available and in what quantities is completely dictated by Olympus's rival Sony.

Olympus are now dependent on those happy with a lower mp as the chip you mention is only 20mp. I think it is inevitable that Olympus will be permanently behind in the mp race. To many people it does not matter but is does restrict the market.

Guy Parsons said:

Greynerd said:

I doubt if Olympus know as they are probably dependent on whatever they can buy in. My hope is that Samsung develop a 4/3 sensor to take away a bit of a Sony monopoly developing in this area.

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Really unlikely.

It's more the case that Olympus engineers can input design ideas to Sony in regard to the 4/3 sensors that they intend to use, though most likely they just pick off the shelf from this list http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/IS/sensor2/products/index.html with the IMX269 being probably the one to appear in the E-M1 Mk2.

Guy Parsons said:

I know there are others like Aptina and Panasonic themselves developing sensors but it seems to me rightly or wrongly that Sony are running the show at present.

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Aptina and Sony have agreed on a patent exchange deal so may speed up developments from both. http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/01/aptina-and-sony-cross-license-each-others-camera-patents/

Regards..... Guy

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john van rosendaal said:

To the people here who only use MFT, do you ever feel you're missing something?

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I moved from Canon SLRs to m43 two years ago. I do miss the nicely toned back muscles I got from toting around the SLR kit.

I'm always impressed by what I can do with my EM1 and a few lenses, and I enjoy trying to "fight above the weight class," so to speak. There are some specialty areas where I'd recommend a different camera system, like long-exposure high iso night photography, or pro sports photography, or photography where you want low depth of field at wide angles.

Every once in a while skin splotches have appeared in shadow, like the sensor can't get enough info to make a smooth gradient, but most of the time it's fine.

Alexsfo said:

- Great color response especially skin tone gradations with perceived depth to the images
- Noiseless images at base 100 ISO
- High ISO is in a different universe
- Significantly better AF for moving subjects and especially in low light
- Better flash system, IMO

At the end, the results worth the effort of using FF.

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Alexsfo said:

Alex --

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Each of these points i strongly resonate with but your first one is rarely commented on; indeed i neglected it too in my enumeration of differences earlier in this thread. All m4/3 cameras now use a 12 bit pipeline, and that has significant implications for color response and subtle tonal gradations.

There is a real opportunity for another jump in m4/3 sensor performance it seems to me: Sony's 42 Exmore has 4.5 micron pixels yielding stunning high ISO; moving from a that pixel pitch to 4/3's 16meg pitch of 3.7 microns would a reduction in area of only a third. Even if it yeilded a stop poorer performance (it shouldn't) it still would be almost a two stop improvement on what we have.

A two stop improvement at 16 megapixels, combined with a 14 bit pipeline, would really give a lot of us FF shooters pause i think; it certainly would hit your first three points. This is all for chip fabrication technologies that have already been demonstrated. And Sony has an answer to the AF issue too.

Exciting times.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.