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Canon 5D3 Shooter Considering the Sony A7RII
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$3899 if he plans to use his Canon lenses on a new 5DSR. so $3600 is actually cheaper.
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Thoughts R Us
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Obviously the OP can spend his/her money the way he wants and ultimately it's the OP's decision.
However, what sometimes people don't consider up front with these shiny new things is the quality of service.
And here Canon rules over Sony.
Canon is not perfect; I'm sure there are anecdotal stories of Canon service failure. But overall Canon enjoys a great reputation in the camera industry for service. I recently attended a Canon presentation at my local camera store, someone mentioned a problem with their Canon camera, and the Canon rep gave him a name to contact at Canon service to make sure it got attended to. That's service.
However in the US Sony has to employ a third party service provider and there are numerous horror stories around. Consider this article by Lloyd Chambers:
or by Jorge Torralba:
These people love the Sony sensors, and in the case of Mr. Torralba, he loves the Sony system.
To quote Lloyd Chambers:
"The way I see it, Sony is a gadget company that understands next to nothing about photography or what a pro or serious photographer needs (hardware and software and service/support); they do a fantastic job on sensors and putting cool parts together, but it ends there."
As Lloyd mentions, if I were taking a camera to do an important job, or to a demanding location, I'd be very nervous about relying on Sony. For me personally, I would not be nervous at all relying on Canon or Nikon.
So before I'd spend over $3000 on a camera body I would want to be sure that the brand would back me up in case of trouble. If I buy a camera body costing over $3000, with Sony I have to rely on a 3rd party service provider. I expect more from such a large purchase.
However, what sometimes people don't consider up front with these shiny new things is the quality of service.
And here Canon rules over Sony.
Canon is not perfect; I'm sure there are anecdotal stories of Canon service failure. But overall Canon enjoys a great reputation in the camera industry for service. I recently attended a Canon presentation at my local camera store, someone mentioned a problem with their Canon camera, and the Canon rep gave him a name to contact at Canon service to make sure it got attended to. That's service.
However in the US Sony has to employ a third party service provider and there are numerous horror stories around. Consider this article by Lloyd Chambers:
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or by Jorge Torralba:
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These people love the Sony sensors, and in the case of Mr. Torralba, he loves the Sony system.
To quote Lloyd Chambers:
"The way I see it, Sony is a gadget company that understands next to nothing about photography or what a pro or serious photographer needs (hardware and software and service/support); they do a fantastic job on sensors and putting cool parts together, but it ends there."
As Lloyd mentions, if I were taking a camera to do an important job, or to a demanding location, I'd be very nervous about relying on Sony. For me personally, I would not be nervous at all relying on Canon or Nikon.
So before I'd spend over $3000 on a camera body I would want to be sure that the brand would back me up in case of trouble. If I buy a camera body costing over $3000, with Sony I have to rely on a 3rd party service provider. I expect more from such a large purchase.
RyanBoston
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This is why I stay with both Canon and Nikon. I trust both companies if something were ever to go wrong whether it's recalls or something needs to be fixed fast. Plus both companies have been proven in the work force for decades.
CaNikon for life!
Lawn Lends
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Cant agree with you on the heated seats or remote start because I dont live in a cold area, but DR -- the more the merrier, wherever you live.
JaimitoFrog
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Not when you include the metabones adaptor.
Rob
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I'm one of the Canon shooters who's sitting on the fence wondering if I should switch, after seeing all the excitement with the A7R II. But now it's starting to look like there are some deal-breaker compromises.
First, using ANY kind of adapter (whether it's Sony's own adapter or third-party like Metabones) will result in penalties, such as not being able to use some AF modes (lock-on AF, eye-AF, and a few other AF modes), or losing the 399 PDAF points (if you use the LA-EA4), or the AF is hit or miss, or you can't have video continuous AF unless you keeping holding down the half-press shutter button.
Second, even if you are willing to sell off all your Canon gear and start over with Sony gear, there are NO constant f/2.8 standard zoom options available in the FE lens lineup. You are restricted to f/4 on all zoom lenses in the FE line. Sony hinted at f/2.8 versions coming in the future, but no one know how far in the future. Could be years.
So if you want to actually use all of the fancy tech advances and new features you paid thousands of dollars for, you'll HAVE to use Sony's native E-mount lenses, but there are only f/4 versions of the important standard zoom ranges right now.
Yes, you can buy prime lenses, but there are many situations where a single f/2.8 standard zoom (24-70mm-ish) is a far better choice, especially if you want to switch between shooting portraits, landscapes, street, and videos constantly and repeatedly.
Talk about disappointing. I was so ready to pull the trigger too. Now I don't know if I'm willing to live with the compromise.
First, using ANY kind of adapter (whether it's Sony's own adapter or third-party like Metabones) will result in penalties, such as not being able to use some AF modes (lock-on AF, eye-AF, and a few other AF modes), or losing the 399 PDAF points (if you use the LA-EA4), or the AF is hit or miss, or you can't have video continuous AF unless you keeping holding down the half-press shutter button.
Second, even if you are willing to sell off all your Canon gear and start over with Sony gear, there are NO constant f/2.8 standard zoom options available in the FE lens lineup. You are restricted to f/4 on all zoom lenses in the FE line. Sony hinted at f/2.8 versions coming in the future, but no one know how far in the future. Could be years.
So if you want to actually use all of the fancy tech advances and new features you paid thousands of dollars for, you'll HAVE to use Sony's native E-mount lenses, but there are only f/4 versions of the important standard zoom ranges right now.
Yes, you can buy prime lenses, but there are many situations where a single f/2.8 standard zoom (24-70mm-ish) is a far better choice, especially if you want to switch between shooting portraits, landscapes, street, and videos constantly and repeatedly.
Talk about disappointing. I was so ready to pull the trigger too. Now I don't know if I'm willing to live with the compromise.
Rick Knepper
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Thoughts R Us
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You bring up excellent points.
Also, if Sony ever did bring out constant f2.8 zoom lenses, they would be large and heavy...because regardless of camera body size, whether mirrorless or dslr, the size of the lens will be dictated by sensor size.
This is undoubtedly why Sony has yet to release any f2.8 zooms to the market, because they hope to sell their A7 series based on size/weight reductions.
So we're back to square one: the Sony system is not really that much of a weight/size saver compared to the dslr's. Even now many of their prime lenses are large and heavy.
And quite frankly, if I'm using a larger lens, it's probably better to have a bit larger body to put it on for better balance.
All in all, the Sony is a good camera but hardly this game changer some made it out to be. And one has to ask themselves if they want to gamble over $3000 with a Sony camera body, along with any associated lens and adapter costs.
I see more positive reviews than complains, but well, as far as I know you can't use your Canon lenses on a Nikon D810... So what's the problem? that some Canon lenses don't work as expected on the Sony? Well, on the Nikon none of them work.
The other things can be solved with a firmware update.
The support depends on the region. Here in Spain is pretty good. I got 5 years of pro support with my A900, and for free.
bhollis
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There are other, less expensive, alternatives to the Metabones, but it's true that I'd probably buy the Metabones. Less sure about a grip, but given the Sony's relatively short battery life, it's certainly a possibility.
And as I mentioned in another post, if I bought an A7RII, I'd probably also sell my Sigma 85 f/1.4 (might be able to get $650 if I'm lucky) and pickup a Batis 85 f/1.8.
So, buying into the A7RII would likely be quite an expense. At this point, I don't think it's worth it--to me at least.
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bhollis
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There is one other factor that gives me pause about the A7RII that I didn't mention before: It's a Sony. Sony doesn't have a very good reputation for customer service and support. This mirrors my own experience. Had such a bad time working with Sony to replace a defective TV that I didn't buy anything from them for over a decade. But I did eventually breakdown and buy an RX1R, and so far have no regrets. Just hoping that nothing goes wrong with it.
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3200 USD gets you this.. basically (and someone else mentioned this.. ) you almost need to purchase two sony A7RII's because the service is rated so poorly (not to mention you need to purchase at least two anyways if you want to use it for 4K video)
Not to mention that with keeping the bodies being replaced every year or so, Sony's ability and also desire to maintain them post sale is obviously alot less.
while for a 600 USD APS-C A6000, who the heck cares if it dies. however, when you're talking a 3200 USD camera body. people aren't looking at it being disposable electronics anymore.
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According to that Sony is about the same as Nikon and people love their Nikons.3200 USD gets you this.. basically (and someone else mentioned this.. ) you almost need to purchase two sony A7RII's because the service is rated so poorly (not to mention you need to purchase at least two anyways if you want to use it for 4K video)
Not to mention that with keeping the bodies being replaced every year or so, Sony's ability and also desire to maintain them post sale is obviously alot less.
while for a 600 USD APS-C A6000, who the heck cares if it dies. however, when you're talking a 3200 USD camera body. people aren't looking at it being disposable electronics anymore.
stratobill
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A lot of them don't love the Nikon service though.
Zero polycabonate
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All of the above is cause for concern, not to mention the light leak issue that has popped up. Lots of people have suggested it for weddings too as many into weddings have some of that fast Canon glass, but no dual card slots is a serious bummer.
According to that chart, most Nikon and Sony shooter should have been migrated to Canon by now and both of those company should be about to go bankrupt, LOL. I m no fan of Sony but a fan of the new Sony sensor, I am not a fan of Canon but a huge fan of TSE17 and 24 and 85L, I am no fan of Nikon but huge fan of D810.... come on, it's just a camera, not a life long commitment. just buy whatever you like or whatever that you think fits your need and no need to prove how stupid those buying into something you don't like.According to that Sony is about the same as Nikon and people love their Nikons.3200 USD gets you this.. basically (and someone else mentioned this.. ) you almost need to purchase two sony A7RII's because the service is rated so poorly (not to mention you need to purchase at least two anyways if you want to use it for 4K video)
Not to mention that with keeping the bodies being replaced every year or so, Sony's ability and also desire to maintain them post sale is obviously alot less.
while for a 600 USD APS-C A6000, who the heck cares if it dies. however, when you're talking a 3200 USD camera body. people aren't looking at it being disposable electronics anymore.
The most frustrated experience I can remember was the 1D3 fiesco, mine went back to the store twice before I gave up, two of my friends camera back and forth to Canon 2, 3, times.... and that didn't stop me from buying the 1DS3 from them again. While Nikon has "poor rating", my D3 shutter replacement went super smooth and come back few days earlier than I was promised, my 24-70G has the "light leaking " issue and when I call, it only take them 10 minutes to make the arrangement for me to send it in for warranty repair, While Sony has "1 star" reliability on that chart, all the friends I know who shooting Sony A7 and A7R still clicking happily and even my ancient NEX 7 still clicking ( use at work for documentation purpose not photography purpose, but it still works after dropping it many times by clumsy assemblers in the production line), and the "1 star" rating sure won't prevent me from the A7RII either.
Rick Knepper
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not really, some don't care about support,etc - but it does show what alot of people have been saying .. that nikon deals historically more poorly in support than canon and sony was even worse historically.
One key difference is that sony has poor support that got even worse; while nikon and canon both have tried to improve their support post camera disasters in both camps.
Now for sony, you have to deal with two companies to affect a remediation of a problem if you are escalating.
how many times does that really work?
with canon / nikon you can escalate a problem to a manager,etc pretty quickly if you need to.
Roger from lens rentals states they get lenses unrepaired back from precision stating "too expensive to fix" for a relatively easy repair. they simply can't be bothered. and these are Sony/Zeiss lenses, not cheap kit ones. They don't even stock parts even.
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