The Canon 24-85USM conundrum

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm) , not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a 24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about 10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course - it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also - hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a 24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on - the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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Just kidding--- more and more, it seems like Canon's QC on both Camera Bodies and Lenses are at issue. What can the consumers do??
Buy a lens and cross our fingers?

Great shot and purchase. Glad to see you back once again.

Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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Troponin said:

Buy a lens and cross our fingers?

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That is what it amounts to unfortunately, there is no excuse for the number of Duff Ls being reported, when you see 16-35s and 17-40s with a solid blur sown one side at F8 , ends falling off 24-70Ls and producing shots at infinity which could be equalled by the old crappy 35-135USM wide open, it's not User error and something needs to be done - as you say, we cross our fingers and hope for the best

Troponin said:

Great shot and purchase. Glad to see you back once again.

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I know I already have a 28-135IS mostly covering that area in a consumer lens but It's definately staying for now, maybe indefinately - it works great on the 1D and gives me that bit extra for when Rach has the "Plastic fantastic" - err like at the moment ;-) ..

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I also have a 24-85 (champagne-sounds better) that I bought with an IX just after they came out. I also consider it to be quite good on my 10D. Stop it down and it just gets better.

BTW - don't sell the IX. It is a very well made fun backup. The APS format also scans very well.

Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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Hey Adam,

Mine is in cosina gold as you put it and it is sharp. Well, at least I can get the same results you got at f/6.7. Wonder if Vince Fisher has a gold one too. Do you have a gold one Vince?

I don't know how old mine is as I got it used. Came in a box with japanese text and a price sticker in Japanese Yen in like new condition. I suspect the good ones are slightly older before Canon decided to double mass produce it.

Love the shot of the 80-200L on IX. Could make a great Terminator 3 prop!

Adam-T said:

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

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Very nice shot Adam. I think we should start calling you Adam Holmes or Super Sleuth. I don't know anyone who can sniff out so many lense bargains as you. Have you considered writing a book about good out of production lenses? > )

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hey adam,

thanks for the acknowledgement of this lens. so far, i've had mine for almost a year now and i've grown to acknowledge it's limitations as well as it's positive elements. it's black and i bought it brand new from a local camera store. CA is almost non-existent on my copy; even during challenging lighting situations. for my copy, contrast and color are its primary strength; i've also noticed that a circular polarizer really boosts those 2 areas even more.

i only wish canon would consider putting IS on this lens.... i know, it's wishful thinking!

warm regards,
breycap

I have one with IX body. The lens is quite sharp. But I would like to get a 24-70/2.8 for the photogaphy I like if I can sell my 24-85.

S.J.

Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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I love mine, I almost alwas shoot it wide open as I prefer to use available light. For what its worth, it is the gold/silver one..not sure what to call the color, but its NOT black)
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I bought it a month ago, and I really like it!

Great lenses for walkaround

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Sarbos

If only Canon made one I'd order it immediately!

breycap said:

hey adam,

thanks for the acknowledgement of this lens. so far, i've had mine
for almost a year now and i've grown to acknowledge it's
limitations as well as it's positive elements. it's black and i
bought it brand new from a local camera store. CA is almost
non-existent on my copy; even during challenging lighting
situations. for my copy, contrast and color are its primary
strength; i've also noticed that a circular polarizer really boosts
those 2 areas even more.

i only wish canon would consider putting IS on this lens.... i
know, it's wishful thinking!

warm regards,
breycap

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bimmerman said:

Love the shot of the 80-200L on IX. Could make a great Terminator 3
prop!

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LOL - A futuristic Minigun ! .. definately one for the "What the hell is that" league - it got some stares when I was testing it out with the "Small" 28-70L on ;-)

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many lense bargains as you. Have you considered writing a book
about good out of production lenses? > )

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I'm writing an article for DPhoto.US (Steve Mitchell's site) as it happens, should be fun ;-)

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phrog said:

BTW - don't sell the IX. It is a very well made fun backup. The APS
format also scans very well.

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Yeah, the photos aren't as Sharp as 35mm prints but they seem far less grainy, almost as if the processing uses an AA filter ;-) .. Even 35mm ASA100 print films (Superia) is terribly grainy, there was none with APS (Nexia) - weird, it HAS to be the processing as there is no way that ASA200 film is necessarily softer or less grainy than ASA100 despite the difference in format, and I'm talking Fuji for both.. Maybe it's to suit consumers better, I don't know..

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I absolutely love my gold 24-85!
Very sharp from wide to 50mm (L quality), above 50mm not bad too.

I think they optized the optical center of this lens, because it was going to be used on a aps slr. I wonder what the corners of the picture look like on a full frame camera. Can someone test this on a 1Ds?

The black ones are supposed to be used on full frame camera's, maybe they have better corners, but worse center.

Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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I don't know the age of Isaac Sibson's or the colour but he found it terrible on film for soft corners and distortion..

APS = 1D so even if it's no good on a 1DS, at least it works on the rest!.. you could have a point about optimization of the gold ones for the IX (and therefore All the cropped DSLRs , who knows what Canon get up to

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Hi Adam,

My first SLR was the EOS IX, and I still think it is one of the best handling cameras I have used. I still have it, though I haven't used it since I went digital. I would have loved to see Canon stuff the 10D's sensor into that body...

Adam-T said:

Here's a good one..

I've NEVER been a fan of this lens, Up til this week I've tried
four and they were all pretty bad below F5.6 (24m) - f6.7-8 (85mm)
, not too clever wide open at all.. I noticed that Danny of
Canonians.com fame was championing it's virtues and saw his
results which were excellent, then Vince Fisher kept shouting that
it should be labelled an "L" lens.. Now we all know that the
contrast an colour from the 24-85 will give any L a run for it's
money but sharpness was another matter entirely..

Anyway I came across a deal I couldn't resist - an EOS-IX with a
24-85 on for less money than a 24-85 on its own and the IX is the
high end model of the APS SLR Duo which is based on the Elan-II
rather than a Rebel and has stainless steel panels so I thought I
could always sell the IX and get to try the 24-85 long term and
sell it and MAKE money.

Anyway I took the 10D along and did some shooting at a seaside
resort on the way home and , Yep, like all 24-85s it's superb
stopped down BUT when I did the usual wide open tests, it was only
ONE step behind my excellent copy of the 28-135IS instead of about
10 like usual and it's even decent at 85mm wide open too AND
doesn't suffer soft corners on the 1D.. Weird - No L of course -
it's no 28-70L that's for sure, but way better than the others I've
tried..

Of course being part of an IX bundle , it's an old Champagne gold
one (Cosina gold if you were being unkind) , the four soft ones
were ALL Black ones and very recent (two were brand new).. As it
happens, Danny's sharp-wide-open one is an old gold one also -
hmmmmm

I very much doubt that Colour has anything to do with it UNLESS
canon gave them special QC treatment as they were to be bundled
with the top of the range and very expensive IX APS SLR - OR just
that they were made before Canon became Lax with QC, I don't know..

Rather Geeky i know but it WOULD be interesting to see WHO has a
24-85 which is NOT soft wide open and what colour it is - it may
turn out to be coincidence but if ALL the gold ones turn out to be
goodies, there could be bargains to be had as they tend to go for
slightly less money ..

So sharp 24-85 owners - what colour is it and how old ?? ..

Here's one of the shots I took with it on the way home followed by
a pic of the weird little APS based EOS-IX SLR with the 80-200L on

• the lens sits on the tripod mount (on the floor) and the camera

is off the ground - I'd love to see this thing on a BIG lens ;-)





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Eqiupment: Lots.

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Far nicer than the horrible 300V / Rebel-Ti body, better built and the AF is on a par with the EOS50 / Elan-II . to be honest, I don't think they could cram the electronics in, it would make a hell of a camera with the 28-135IS on or a pocket camera with the 50mm F1.8 on . if they stuck to 1.3X like APS is , the Tokina 19-35 gives great wide angle as it works excellently on the 1D as well as the IX itself..

That camera will no doubt be a collectors item, it's far nicer than the horrible IX-7 which was based on the 500N (Rebel-G)

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Chuck
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'Our actions are the demonstration of our character'

I have been shouting the praises of my champagne 24-85 for a year now. It is quite good. Even at 85 wide open. Stop down 1 stop and WOW

Here is an example that I put together. These may be a little oversharpened, but you get the idea.



oversharpened

Chuck A said:

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Chuck
http://www.pbase.com/candrask

'Our actions are the demonstration of our character'

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Thanks & God Bless,
Chuck
http://www.pbase.com/candrask

'Our actions are the demonstration of our character'