Olympus EM 5 Mark 2

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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That raises the question, why do you need so high a resolution?

Regards.... Guy

I'm curious, why would you even want to shoot 40MP for street pictures? In my youth when I did shoot some street stuff, I was moving as much as the people I was aiming at and I didn't have any stabilization.

I think with the MkII when you shift into HiRez mode, you are shifting into View Camera+Tripod style and that is always better in the studio.

Ross said:

I'm curious, why would you even want to shoot 40MP for street pictures?

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I am wandering exactly the same thing.

The EM5II is as limited as any other 16mp camera for resolution... That would be the Fuji system, the D4/D4s system from Nikon, every 18mp Canon body... in fact the differences between 16mp and 24mp APSC for resolution are still somewhat marginal (maybe 10% lens, aperture and technique permitting).

What this does give you is an option for very high resolution photography within a number of applications. High resolution and in the right areas, artifact free.

Even the Nikon D800 produces moire in all the expected places, and it is a superb camera. This would not.

Abraham

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Dream on, dude. Every online overview of the new toy has clearly stated that it is niche feature, to be used only in very limited circumstances. And while gearheads and pixel-peepers are happy to lose their heads over it, Olympus seems to be trying very hard not to put the feature quite so front and center. IIRC, it is only accessible through various layers of menu navigation (in classic Oly fashion).

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Not what it is for so it isn't really what I would term a short coming. If it is to you then canon has a lovely 50mp monster coming out in a few months that should work quite well for you. Assuming you don't already have the 36mp D810.

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pocketpygmy said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Dream on, dude. Every online overview of the new toy has clearly stated that it is niche feature, to be used only in very limited circumstances. And while gearheads and pixel-peepers are happy to lose their heads over it, Olympus seems to be trying very hard not to put the feature quite so front and center. IIRC, it is only accessible through various layers of menu navigation (in classic Oly fashion).

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That's because Oly hates thumbs and would like them to snap off peoples bodies while twiddling through menus.

Hi Ross, I understand the idea and attempting to compare it to a field camera is a good idea. But I have a field camera and I will say, to shoot one is to discover the meaning of photo-zen.

Street and journalistic work is what I love. I'm sure there is a value for the camera in the high resolution mode. I simply want that them to improve this so with just one snap all is done as a full frame camera can.

I did hear rumors that Olympus is aware of this request. I'm not alone on this request. The EM 1 might have a Mark 2 with just that ability. High resolution without a tripod able to track and free people on the go.

Thanks for reading my initial statement. Cheers.

get a Nikon D810 or the Canon 5dS twins. And don't expect a company that introduces a new technology to be the biggest and brightest right off the bat - none of them have. There are always improvements. It will take several iterations before this gets down from a minimum 2 seconds to less than 1/2 second for the 8 exposures.

Capturing an image, handheld, north of an effective, delivered, resolution of 10 megapixels or so is challenging with any system. The best way to do it is with very fast shutter speeds (> 1/500) and the best optics at optimal aperture.

The Nikon boards are full of threads about the difficulties with the 24meg APSC sensor or the d800's 36meg getting pixel-level sharpness. It is hard to do, frankly. With Canon's new 50 meg sensor, they will have the same. Time and again the point is made that these high res sensors all but mandate a "medium format"-style manner of working; tripods, primes at optimal aperture, etc.

Thus the Oly Mkii's high res restrictions bother me not a bit. Of course i won't buy; i will wait for 2nd gen . . . but if you want a no-fooling 40meg image out of any system, you will have to work for it. It will not be a grab-n-go snapshot.

-- gary ray
Semi-professional in early 1970s; just a putzer since then. interests: historical sites, virginia, motorcycle racing. A nikon user more by habit than choice; still, nikon seems to work well for me.

glenn capers said:

Hi Ross, I understand the idea and attempting to compare it to a field camera is a good idea. But I have a field camera and I will say, to shoot one is to discover the meaning of photo-zen.

Street and journalistic work is what I love. I'm sure there is a value for the camera in the high resolution mode. I simply want that them to improve this so with just one snap all is done as a full frame camera can.

I did hear rumors that Olympus is aware of this request. I'm not alone on this request. The EM 1 might have a Mark 2 with just that ability. High resolution without a tripod able to track and free people on the go.

Thanks for reading my initial statement. Cheers.

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even then with an updated 40mp mode in em1 mk 2, it will still be limited. perhaps you misunderstand how the actual 40mp is made because even with better algorythms to shoot without tripod, you still won't be able to shoit and freeze moving subject matter. the updated version may at best allow you to shoot hand held at 40mp.

as stated in pretty much every revuew, the 40mp mode is superb with a few caveats and only for niche applications . i dont see that changing.

16mp is more than enough to shoot the majority of subject matters. as good as modern cameras are they still arent one-size fits all. i shot street at 24mp and tbh i see absolutely no reason to even be shooting at that resolution. it's unnecessary unless you plan on printing murals with it without losing fidelity.

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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This is as much a shortcoming as having moving objects in a HDR mode or any bracketed shot. The effect of moving objects may look slight different, but thats just how the technology works.

Olympus has already stated the "limitation" of this, not sure why you would go out delibrately and try to use it against the recommended operating procedures.

If you want a true 40MP image in one shot you need a 40 MP camera. Sensor shift will never be able to capture this resolution as fast as a single shot camera could.

Hi, Bob, Sorry

I Im really slow these days. I've been around shooting street. blindmanshooting.com

You ask me why I would want a 40mp shot for street. I recall as a child At grand central station or Penn station, Leica once had a series of ads on Machu Picchu with a Lama in the foreground. I was impressed. A giant Billboard. This was the film days. Although it was a still life I was Impressed.

I feel that when Advertising see's the value in street photography, it will help many should they include amateur work instead of running to Magnum or to other sister photo agencies.

For the longest a medium format camera has ruled in the commercial ad world.

cheers friend.

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Why the hell would one need more than 16mpx for street photography? Your post doesn't make sense.

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pocketpygmy said:

smrlabs said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Dream on, dude. Every online overview of the new toy has clearly stated that it is niche feature, to be used only in very limited circumstances. And while gearheads and pixel-peepers are happy to lose their heads over it, Olympus seems to be trying very hard not to put the feature quite so front and center. IIRC, it is only accessible through various layers of menu navigation (in classic Oly fashion).

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That's because Oly hates thumbs and would like them to snap off peoples bodies while twiddling through menus.

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It's not difficult at all to access the high res shooting mode. I have shooting mode assigned to a function button and I just have to scroll to the left or right to find the high res shooting mode.

In order for the hi-rez mode to work the sensor is moved one pixel worth in a series of steps so that for each pixel in the photo you have information for each color channel.

The mode can't be done instantaneously because the sensor needs to capture the scene many times to get all of the data to work with. And handheld is also out (at least for now), because you are going to be moving around much more than the single pixel shift the sensor is working on doing. I don't even understand from an engineering point how either limitation can be overcome, but allegedly it will happen.

glenn capers said:

Hi, Bob, Sorry

I Im really slow these days. I've been around shooting street. blindmanshooting.com

You ask me why I would want a 40mp shot for street. I recall as a child At grand central station or Penn station, Leica once had a series of ads on Machu Picchu with a Lama in the foreground. I was impressed. A giant Billboard. This was the film days. Although it was a still life I was Impressed.

I feel that when Advertising see's the value in street photography, it will help many should they include amateur work instead of running to Magnum or to other sister photo agencies.

For the longest a medium format camera has ruled in the commercial ad world.

cheers friend.

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Apple is producing billboards shot with 8mp iPhones. No big deal really. If you are looking at it from 50+feet as most billboards are, you don't see the flaws. It can be done with any image with proper extrapolation and processing. You would never want to "pixel peep" any bill board images which are typically 30-50 dpi. At base ISO a great many camera's images could be converted for "billboard use" if wanted but would require extra effort to do it.

The limitations of the 40mp mode are well documented by most reviewers (all that I have seen) contrary to what you said. Olympus has said they expect to get the feature to a point where it can be "hand-held". Mind you that doesn't mean it will be suitable for action, only that a tripod will not be required.

As for selling street photography for "commercial purposes" that is a whole other issue with lots of international legalities involved. Don't plan on that. In fact in some countries it is already illegal. Rules for documentary/journalistic photography (street photography) are different from the rules for "commercial use photography" in almost every country.

For what you want, there are other options now, but at a much higher price and much higher body and lens size and weight class. Nikon 810, Sony A7R, Canon 5Dsr. Rather then focus on what a particular camera "can't do", try to learn what any camera "can do." That is the real photographers way.

glenn capers said:

Hi, Bob, Sorry

I Im really slow these days. I've been around shooting street. blindmanshooting.com

You ask me why I would want a 40mp shot for street. I recall as a child At grand central station or Penn station, Leica once had a series of ads on Machu Picchu with a Lama in the foreground. I was impressed. A giant Billboard. This was the film days. Although it was a still life I was Impressed.

I feel that when Advertising see's the value in street photography, it will help many should they include amateur work instead of running to Magnum or to other sister photo agencies.

For the longest a medium format camera has ruled in the commercial ad world.

cheers friend.

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Hi Glen,

I had to go back and see what I wrote In the olden days I wandered around with a Bronica 6X6 in order to put off the anxiety of not having enough file/negative to print big. I still get warm fuzzies when I pick it up....;-)

Today with digital files to print from, 20" X 30" add displays are a piece of cake with about every camera available. Adds are not the lasting meat of art. Today's add is tomorrow's trash. Pixel level quality is seldom significant in the trash...;-) Gallery prints are only viewed by gallery visitors and I haven't been in a gallery in 20 years....sigh

glenn capers said:

The Em 5 Mark 2.

It's a good camera if you want to shoot landscape and produce still life images that don't move in High Resolution. However I shoot street and people move. I would like my images in high-resolution to register perfectly as in one snap and that's it. No additional off shifting to make the image. Can you imagine running around with a tripod?. I only trust Olympus thinks about the other part of the market that shoots people in the streets and things that move. Not one review on "Youtube" will touch the short coming Of the new Olympus Em 5 Mark 2.

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Ridiculous expectations leads to ridiculous conclusions. The hyper-resolution feature isn't for street shooters, or those who can't imagine using it on a tripod. That may evolve into a hand-held feature, eventually.

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