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Dave Knadler
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...isn't relevant until we see how the images compare to current DSLRs. Until then, I can't see much to criticize in this system.
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E-1 - most reviled camera in history
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photovoyager
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Ah... Works very nicely.
Now, how come we don't have more cameras with these things built-in?
Was there a problem with the E2/2N/3/3s image quality?
LOL
. The F4 was a magnificent camera, but its focus, AF, etc. were a little dated by the end of the 1990s...Besides, by the time the E3 came out, Kodak already had their DCS 5xx and 6xx cameras which had a very important feature lacking in early D-SLRs like the E-series (at least I THINK they didn't have it) - an LCD display for reviewing images!
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photovoyager
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Jon Ragnarsson
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If it said Canon instead of Olympus on the prism house, and 3D instead of E-1 on the body, it would have been flavor of the month in the Canon DSLR forum.
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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Three reasons.
First, it's really hard to build a "one size fits all" focal reducer. Performance is tied very tightly to the location of a lens's exit pupil (the point in the lens that light seems to radiate from) and the size and location of the rear element. If you design one to work well with wide angle lenses (exit pupils around 50-80mm) with small rear elements that enter the camera slightly, it won't work well with telephotos (exit pupils over 100mm) with large rear elements located far from the focal plane. A "compromise" design ends up not performing really well for any lens.
Second, it would add 25-50mm of depth to the camera, and change the handling markedly from a regular SLR.
Third, a lot of DSLR "early adopters" were sports shooters, and they tend to actually like the FOV crop factor, like a full time, high quality teleconverter.
Yes, for the above reasons.
Don't know. Maybe its components were easier to work with and modify than the F5.LOL
were a little dated by the end of the 1990s...
I can see how that would be useful.
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Lorne Miller
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I totally agree with you on this point, as I've said in several other threads, it mystifies me why so many who obviously aren't Oly fans, but diehard supporters of whatever they are using, see it neccessary to come to this forum and so vehemently trash a camera they haven't even physically seen or held. As you say, if it had a Canon or Nikon logo on it there, quite likely, would be no bickering whatsoever.
I will repeat what Jono has said, I think a lot of folks have invested a fairly large sum into other brands, and can't accept the fact that maybe their system won't make the cut when compared to the new 4/3 system, so they're doing the best they can now to debunk it before it even gets off the ground, it must obviously soothe their conscience and ease any guilt factor, or they wouldn't spend so much time over here attacking this camera and defending themselves.
Lorne Miller
photovoyager
Senior Member
Sure there would be... Between the Canon and Nikon zealots ;-)!
It's worse with film cameras, you've got the FIERCELY loyal Minolta and Pentax folk too
!Regards,
photovoyager - wondering WHY people are so devoted to their camera brands...
The last time I was in the US, I fell asleep watching the fireworks at Oakland, CA because I was totally exhausted from the flight. Pity.
Happy barbecueing!
Capital Man
Senior Member
The Canon and Nikon owners are AFRAID that the superior performance of the Oly will set a new standard, making their "investments" in Canon and Nikon obsolete.
[Here's a word to the wise: a digital camera is not an "investment" of any sort. It's an expense.]
Yes, have a happy Fourth, Joe. Qutie a good post, and appreciating a few things too.
Clive
Clive
Joe, this is interesting. I wonder if you would comment on the optical issues of using a prism. Although the optical location is different for this intriguing split design you and Eamon are tweaking between you, it's somewhat like what Minolta have done in the Dimage X line.
I have one of the early ones, and combine great pleasure in its subtlety and availability in grabbing the picture one sees, with considerable disappointment some of the time with the optical and related sensor performance.
Prisms aren't in the casuation of funny edges on color highlights or general blow-out phenomena, but there has been writing several times about whether they can lead to the decided edge softness of the X/Xi/Xt line.
I wonder what you would say about that, as it hasn't necessarily made sense to me that what is in effect a mirror could cause that problem - perhaps it is more related to truly tiny element diameter in that camera.
If answer is as I suspect, then this 'half-sideways' and 'prime swapping only of front objectives' idea sounds quite intriguing. Less cost besides weight and size for the swappable part. Also, and perhaps a factor in your intuition, the extra-collimating-for-digital-sensor elements on the back of the lense wouldn't be duplicated, nor contribute to the depth of the assembled camera.
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I have one of the early ones, and combine great pleasure in its subtlety and availability in grabbing the picture one sees, with considerable disappointment some of the time with the optical and related sensor performance.
Prisms aren't in the casuation of funny edges on color highlights or general blow-out phenomena, but there has been writing several times about whether they can lead to the decided edge softness of the X/Xi/Xt line.
I wonder what you would say about that, as it hasn't necessarily made sense to me that what is in effect a mirror could cause that problem - perhaps it is more related to truly tiny element diameter in that camera.
If answer is as I suspect, then this 'half-sideways' and 'prime swapping only of front objectives' idea sounds quite intriguing. Less cost besides weight and size for the swappable part. Also, and perhaps a factor in your intuition, the extra-collimating-for-digital-sensor elements on the back of the lense wouldn't be duplicated, nor contribute to the depth of the assembled camera.
Regards
J
John Mason
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Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
Definitely...
Happens to us all, at times...
Dang. "A nut on the side of good" just doesn't have the ring...
Thanks. It's mutual.
The phrase "designed from the ground up" occurs several places, like here:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/index.html
I hope it does...
Dang. Now I have to go looking through the old posts...
After the holiday.
Have fun.
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Joe
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Joseph S Wisniewski
Forum Pro
Bummer.
Yup. Veggie burgers on the grill.
Then, the most important part, fireworks...
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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Thank you. I try.
Do the Swiss have any "patriotic" holidays where they get as crazy as we do in the US? Do you blow up as much stuff?
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Absolutely - they do. I generally live in Basel (in Oregon though for some family matters these months), and there are quite a few instances of fireworks, actually - not to mention other celebrations.
National Day (independence) is 1 August - and you see quite extensive fireworks over and on the Rhine. Lots of robust celebration otherwise and 'independent' explosions all around this time....and it seems to me a few others also. Flags are every day, as you probably know.
Not with explosives but as locally patriotic as is essential, and full of other dominant sounds and celebration is the several days of Fasnacht near the end of winter - a variety of Carnival that goes back at least to medieval times and the guilds which also organised as protective armies for the city - hence the marching, drums, and other martial aspects.
People spend all year in clubs preparing costumes and music for this, and I've found it is a completely moving and mysterious, surely familial rite. As a note, families themselves have their separate evening march, for those not ready for costumed clubs. They try to think of everyone.
Should say, I'm not Swiss, just a resident generally with ever increasing appreciation - for what Swiss people make and become as always in their individuality, and what being in that corner of continental Europe lets me understand with the multiple cultures present that they are intent on at home and in their relationships - which for me seem towards things we all interest in. It's challenging every day - and worth it.
Regards
National Day (independence) is 1 August - and you see quite extensive fireworks over and on the Rhine. Lots of robust celebration otherwise and 'independent' explosions all around this time....and it seems to me a few others also. Flags are every day, as you probably know.
Not with explosives but as locally patriotic as is essential, and full of other dominant sounds and celebration is the several days of Fasnacht near the end of winter - a variety of Carnival that goes back at least to medieval times and the guilds which also organised as protective armies for the city - hence the marching, drums, and other martial aspects.
People spend all year in clubs preparing costumes and music for this, and I've found it is a completely moving and mysterious, surely familial rite. As a note, families themselves have their separate evening march, for those not ready for costumed clubs. They try to think of everyone.
Should say, I'm not Swiss, just a resident generally with ever increasing appreciation - for what Swiss people make and become as always in their individuality, and what being in that corner of continental Europe lets me understand with the multiple cultures present that they are intent on at home and in their relationships - which for me seem towards things we all interest in. It's challenging every day - and worth it.
Regards
found a pretty locally-orientated site with a nice intro in English -
http://www.fasnacht.ch/?pm_1=21&mid=21
If interested, look around for some photos, videos etc. - particularly in Multimedia and the Fasnacht im Rückblick menu, which means in retrospect - drill down for picture items for each year.
Grützi...
http://www.fasnacht.ch/?pm_1=21&mid=21
If interested, look around for some photos, videos etc. - particularly in Multimedia and the Fasnacht im Rückblick menu, which means in retrospect - drill down for picture items for each year.
Grützi...
photovoyager
Senior Member
And why shouldn't it be?
Regards,
photovoyager
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photovoyager
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John Mason
Guest
though the extremely light amount of traffic on their forum say the new firmware has improved things some
would be better if the base sensor wasn't so noisy in the first place
then they wouldn't have all the weird "I'm a painting not a picture" artifacts even at ISO 80.
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
would be better if the base sensor wasn't so noisy in the first place
then they wouldn't have all the weird "I'm a painting not a picture" artifacts even at ISO 80.
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Jono Slack
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Hi Joe
kind regards
jono
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No it doesn't - Tony is never wrong . . .oops I let the cat out of the bag.
Agreement isn't vital!
Well, I'm still not sure that this means quite the same thing - you can design a car from the ground up, but it doesn't necessarily mean that all the parts were designed from 'scratch'. Still, it's semantics, and, frankly, not very important (except the bit about the f2 limit maybe).
Don't worry - like all these things, it isn't that important (unless you have a bad back).http://www.olympusamerica.com/e1/index.html
I hope it does...
Dang. Now I have to go looking through the old posts...
After the holiday.
and you
kind regards
jono
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Joseph S Wisniewski
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Wow, that's a great link. I especially love the folks in strange costumes playing flutes. I play flutes, make flutes, and love photographing flutists.
I'll do it Monday when I'm on a machine with a faster internet connection.
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