I vaguely remember that post, but it didn't seem like you tried to process the 7D file for optimal results, but I'm certainly willing to try myself. Where is the RAW?
Yea ! What the heck Alastair !?!? Lifting shadows ! Ha !
LOL
LOLThat post was some time ago but to my recollection NR at LR default for both images.
The intent was to simply show an example where the high read and pattern noise of the 7D at ISO 100 presents a problem with processing a 7D RAW file compared to a camera with lower read noise and no pattern noise.
Thanks. I don't think of it as a shot. I'm certainly not trying to kill anything. But I will see what can be done with Lightroom, which is what I use for pretty much all my processing. Oh, and which forum?
Default is not sufficient. You have to play with the NR sliders. Sometimes I think people are scared of those things. You've got plenty of room before you destroy detail, especially on color NR.
In ACR that kind of thing cleans up nicely with more NR. At +2 to +3 you might end up with a hint of it remaining at 100% view, but not in print.
Not at all. But when you process for maximum IQ possible (as opposed to 'equal' to see how the hardware compares) I don't think the difference is all that great or relevant in general real world use, especially when looking at realistic sizes and not pixels.
I do not like the effects of LR NR so I use the Denoise plug-in which IMO is much better. I may be able to clean up some of the noise but also some detail in doing so. I use Denoise extensively with my 7D files and know what it can and can't do.
Not my experience and the Denoise debanding tool doesn't do an effective job either.
Maybe there's one better than Denoise.
I shoot only RAW and only Canon up until recently when I added a Fuji XT1. With my 10D I used ACR/PS exclusively and then moved to DPP for my XTi, 40D and 50D for most of the conversions except for those beyond DPP's capabilities. More recently I've moved back to LR and PS so I think I know something about working with Canon CR2's. I also own 3 Canon A3+ printers and have done a lot of printing so I know how a processed file looks as a medium sized print.
The problem is real and unfortunately Canon is lagging. Canon is currently the only manufacturer of imaging sensors for DSLR's using off-chip ADC. Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Aptina, Samsung and others all have some design of on-chip ADC with the resultant lower read noise. People talk about Sony but Panasonic with their recent MFT's sensor has surpassed Sony and it appears Samsung may have the new APS C sensor to beat but time and the reviews will tell.
Don't know what to tell you. Aren't ACR and LR noise reduction routines the same? Maybe not.
So post RAWs and see what other people produce. Maybe there are some RAWs which clean up and some which do not. The example I posted to this thread cleaned up pretty darn well with no detail loss.
What effort? I move the NR sliders in my RAW converter.
Nobody wants your resume. Do you have RAW files that you want other people to try their hand at? Post them. Do you have a a set of comparison RAW files that you believe illustrate some fantastic advantage of another camera? Post them.
The "problem" is that Canon DSLRs get "only" 12.5 - 13 stops of total DR (5D3 and 70D; 7D was about 11.5) with "only" 2.5 - 3 stops of shadow latitude.
Because the D800 and Sony A7's I've shot with didn't have this. Oh wait
That's really cool. How big was the cave?
Pretty big.aftab said:
It was under the Mendenhall Glacier near Juneau, Alaska. Sadly, it recently collapsed.Thanks. Looks like an awesome place. Where is it?
He must be trying the same shot you did.
I think another analogy is called for. To me it seems that all those that argue in favor of the extended dynamic range are the ones that bought the car with launch control and advocate it's use at every red light just because it guarantees a 0.1 seconds faster 0-100 mph time. To them it doesn't matter if the competition does better on the normal road, for them only that insane and in every day life irrelevant single feature outweighs all rational argument.
