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Was helping a local pro out yesterday shoot sportbikes (see my thread "10D does Sportbikes!!!")

He let me take his 1D and 300 f/2.8 IS for a whirl. Amazing camera and amazing lens.

Some thoughts on the 1D....in my very limited handling of it:

The AF is unbelievable. You point, you half press, and that instant its in focus.

You CAN'T, I repeat CAN'T appreciate what 8fps is like until you actually squeeze the shutter for 2 seconds. It honestly reminds me of a machine gun...

It is definitely a rugged, professional machine. Very solidly built...and impressive to hold in the hand.

The viewfinder is leaps and bounds better than the 10D/D60/D30's is

With all that being said......

NO I'm not rushing out to buy one. While its very nice to use....I dont need that kind of speed (although I'd love to have the AF speed....hopefully the 3D has the same AF system) Like I said...a very impressive machine...but for what I need.....no thanks. Now that my 10D is working good....it will hold me until an EOS 3 type digital is available....

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Canon EOS 10D

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10D coma. LOL. Well, so far I'm one for one with AdamT becoming a member of the choir. Are you next? :-) I kept trying to tell you it's another league, but so many were quick to dis me. To use one is to love one..........
 
Lee Rothman said:
10D coma. LOL. Well, so far I'm one for one with AdamT becoming a
member of the choir. Are you next? :-) I kept trying to tell you
it's another league, but so many were quick to dis me. To use one
is to love one..........
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John and I are resolute about this--WAIT, wait, w-a-i-t (getting sleepy LOL).

Diane

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I have to laugh everytime I hear someone comment about how the 1D is old and "dated" technology. Yep... that ancient AF system... ancient viewfinder, etc. It's a shame more folks don't understand it's all about the "system".

-- John
(Long time happy 1D user)
John Mankos said:
Was helping a local pro out yesterday shoot sportbikes (see my
thread "10D does Sportbikes!!!")

He let me take his 1D and 300 f/2.8 IS for a whirl. Amazing camera
and amazing lens.

Some thoughts on the 1D....in my very limited handling of it:

The AF is unbelievable. You point, you half press, and that
instant its in focus.

You CAN'T, I repeat CAN'T appreciate what 8fps is like until you
actually squeeze the shutter for 2 seconds. It honestly reminds me
of a machine gun...

It is definitely a rugged, professional machine. Very solidly
built...and impressive to hold in the hand.

The viewfinder is leaps and bounds better than the 10D/D60/D30's is

With all that being said......

NO I'm not rushing out to buy one. While its very nice to use....I
dont need that kind of speed (although I'd love to have the AF
speed....hopefully the 3D has the same AF system) Like I said...a
very impressive machine...but for what I need.....no thanks. Now
that my 10D is working good....it will hold me until an EOS 3 type
digital is available....

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John
http://www.mankman.com
Canon EOS 10D

Equipment list in profile...subject to change on a daily basis ;^)

Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and
it holds the universe together

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John-G said:
I have to laugh everytime I hear someone comment about how the 1D
is old and "dated" technology. Yep... that ancient AF system...
ancient viewfinder, etc. It's a shame more folks don't understand
it's all about the "system".

-- John
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No John, it is not a shame. People need to think that it is old, it is outdated, it stinks. The prices need to drop to 2K or below, so I can get one. It is old, it is old, the next generation is just around the corner and you all need to wait for it. Chant this with me one more time.

Well, you get my point.

Rgsd
KR
 
I predict you'll get one. Or certainly will get the EOS-3D, if it turns out to be the great camera it has the potential to be.
John Mankos said:
NO I'm not rushing out to buy one. While its very nice to use....I
dont need that kind of speed (although I'd love to have the AF
speed....hopefully the 3D has the same AF system) Like I said...a
very impressive machine...but for what I need.....no thanks. Now
that my 10D is working good....it will hold me until an EOS 3 type
digital is available....
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Nah....think I'm gonna pass on the 1D. While its an imposing camera....I'm gonna wait to see what the rumored 3 type digital holds....until then my 10D will suit me fine (now that it focuses where I want it to ;^) )
DavidP said:
John Mankos said:
NO I'm not rushing out to buy one. While its very nice to use....I
dont need that kind of speed (although I'd love to have the AF
speed....hopefully the 3D has the same AF system) Like I said...a
very impressive machine...but for what I need.....no thanks. Now
that my 10D is working good....it will hold me until an EOS 3 type
digital is available....
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--
The Lowest Paid Concert Photographer Around
http://www.neonlightsimaging.com/artshow/final.htm
Photography -- just another word for compromise

Yes, this is ON-TOPIC!
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John
http://www.mankman.com
Canon EOS 10D

Equipment list in profile...subject to change on a daily basis ;^)

Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together

 
Like I said....a very impressive camera to say the least. However the only thing I really would like to see in my next camera would be that AF system. Other than that...the 8fps, while nice, is no way a necessity for me. I can see how the 8fps puts people in a trance though ;^)

I'll wait to see what the fall brings.....my 10D satisfies my needs for the time being....
Lee Rothman said:
10D coma. LOL. Well, so far I'm one for one with AdamT becoming a
member of the choir. Are you next? :-) I kept trying to tell you
it's another league, but so many were quick to dis me. To use one
is to love one..........
Click to expand...
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John
http://www.mankman.com
Canon EOS 10D

Equipment list in profile...subject to change on a daily basis ;^)

Duct tape is like the Force. It has a light side, a dark side, and it holds the universe together

 
Yep have to agree with John. The 1D is very nice but being how old it is there will be something new around the corner and at the very least it will drive the prices down once again. So I am hoping I will get the 3D or a 1D at a real good price:)
Lee Rothman said:
10D coma. LOL. Well, so far I'm one for one with AdamT becoming a
member of the choir. Are you next? :-) I kept trying to tell you
it's another league, but so many were quick to dis me. To use one
is to love one..........
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10d
Sony 707
L fever high

 
Shall I write a review on it for your Site John ;-) ..

It was spending quality time with a 1DS which sold me on the 1-series body, but at £5500 it's out of my league price wise :( .. then a bunch of Refurb 1D turn up at a price too good to miss (£200 cheaper than I paid for my D60 last august) , I'd said not long before that i'd like to re-appraise the 1D but not at £3300 UK, £1800 was a different matter entirely..

As I hope my 1D thread may have shown, there is more to the camera than 8FPS, in fact that's the Least of it for me and it has useful benefits (to me) over the 1DS also, I hope they do release a 3D and it has the High ISOs at least, though it Won't have the high shutter and flash sync speeds, I can almost guarantee that!.

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Hi there...

I can't help but be shocked at the expectations about 3D :) Nikon's D100 is much older than 10D, yet we see no sign of a new model. For me, 10D is new , just hit the market. Why expecting a new model so soon?

Regards!

P.S. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see 3D soon. It's just that i'm in a final phase to collect enough money for the 10D and hopefully I will get a good price for it :)
 
blueMe said:
Why expecting a new model so soon?
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It would have been nice if were sooner. There are huge gaps in the product line between the cheap 10D, the 'machine gun' 1D and the expensive 1Ds. If you need better than the 10D, where do you go? There needs something in between. Preferably 2 cameras; firstly a 1D replacement for sports and photo journalists and secondly a digital EOS3 for enthusiasts who don't need or can't afford the 1Ds.

It would make financial sense to include a 3D, because people would buy that in favour of the 10D and Canon would make more money. Taking the sensor from the 3D and putting it in an upgraded 1D, would allow sports photographers to upgrade their 1D's and so Canon would make even more money! So, it doesn’t matter what Nikon do or have not done, Canon are in the position to make bucket loads of cash if they go that route and I hope they do.

enjoy,

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There is a Big gap ..

Forget the 1D in the equasion, it's really a dedicated PJ Minigun not a run of the mill "standard" camera like the 1DS and 10D and there is a BIG gap between £1300 and £5500 ready to be filled with a Digital EOS3 ..

I can't see the 1D getting 8Mp until Flash cards reach the speed of UDMA Hard disks, the files will choke the system at 8FPS and even with a 1Gb buffer, the files have to be written at some stage

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I'm not sure I understand why you think the 1D is a PJ Minigun. I'll bet a lot of 1D users are like me in that they only rarely use the 8fps. For me, it's just a terrific camera "system". Even the 4Mp is fine as I do not print larger than 8.5x11.

For me, the 1D was simply a digital replacement for my beloved and recently departed EOS-1V which I always felt was the PERFECT film camera.

I'll admit, it would be nice to have a new camera based somewhat on the EOS-3 (although I never liked the EOS-3). Then I could dump my D30 and have a more suitable 2nd camera. :-)
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Adam-T said:
There is a Big gap ..

Forget the 1D in the equasion, it's really a dedicated PJ Minigun
not a run of the mill "standard" camera like the 1DS and 10D and
there is a BIG gap between £1300 and £5500 ready to be filled with
a Digital EOS3 ..

I can't see the 1D getting 8Mp until Flash cards reach the speed of
UDMA Hard disks, the files will choke the system at 8FPS and even
with a 1Gb buffer, the files have to be written at some stage
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That's the problem with these stupid message boards, hard to convey things in type :(
Member said:
I'm not sure I understand why you think the 1D is a PJ Minigun.
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It's how most see the target market for the camera - Sheesh I've got a whole thread which has nearly Maxxed out which is dedicated to the Non-PJ, Non-Sports advantages of the camera !!!

What I'm getting at IS that the camera cannot easily be replaced because of it's fast firing small file nature AND that due to it's unique features, it doesn't really fit in the "standard" line of Higher-res Slow-runners like the 10D and 1DS .. A 3D would fit in the middle nicely. Despite how good the 1D is at landscapes, Macros, Portraits, Weddings and, yeah, even live theatre, it's FAR more of a specialist device with specialist features than the 10D or 1DS.

Obviously I didn't say that the camera wasn't any good for standard photography - Jeeez, I wouldn't have bought one myself if all it was good for was sports and shooting the Royal family in the pouring rain...

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Adam-T said:
I can't see the 1D getting 8Mp until Flash cards reach the speed of
UDMA Hard disks, the files will choke the system at 8FPS and even
with a 1Gb buffer, the files have to be written at some stage
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OK, it probably won't happen, but seeing as there have been cameras with 2 memory compartments (can't remember what they are now, fuji?). You could use 2 compact flash cards, writing alternave images to each. Then you'd get the same write time as the 1D and you would only lose every other image should a microdive crash ...

Just a thought from an IT perspective. Would be nice though; 8MPixel @ 8FPS ;-)

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MrX said:
images to each. Then you'd get the same write time as the 1D and
you would only lose every other image should a microdive crash ...
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Good idea, they should have done that with the 1DS anyway, there is enough room there for two card slots looking at the way they are laid out in the 1D / 1DS

the way to avoid a Microdrive crash is NOT to use the slow outdated horrible little things ;-)

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My sentiments exactly. For me it is a unrestricted "professional" tool and not a drummed down consumer version. It sure works for me and looks like it will continue to do so for some time. I'm not all caught up in the megapixel thing as I compose so as not to need to crop much in the first place. The 4mp is perfect for my workflow and for the client output. :-)
John-G said:
I'm not sure I understand why you think the 1D is a PJ Minigun.
I'll bet a lot of 1D users are like me in that they only rarely use
the 8fps. For me, it's just a terrific camera "system". Even the
4Mp is fine as I do not print larger than 8.5x11.

For me, the 1D was simply a digital replacement for my beloved and
recently departed EOS-1V which I always felt was the PERFECT film
camera.
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I am sorry if this sound silly, but... I've never heard of a Microdrive crash. Been using it on E20, no problems, a friend uses it on D100, no problem.

What crash? And also, ARE they slow? I might be missing something here, I always thought they were excellent :)

"the slow outdated horrible little things" ?
 
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