What is most essential everyday lens (10D)

...then added the 28-135IS (most used lens) and, after trying the 17-40, decided I wasn't enough of a WA kind of guy and got a Sigma 20/1.8 prime. I use the primes for indoors and both the 20/1.8 and the 28-135 for outdoors.

I'm very happy with this set. The 28-135 is a great lens at the long end... This is a fairly compressed JPEG, and there could be more background blur...

http://www.pbase.com/image/17514651

--Matt
 
I had to laugh reading that message Icypeak :) I was thinking the same thing on that earlier message, but since anyone on here probably knows more than I about photo... I just read everything and take it all in :)
Thanks again
Hey all :)

I am very new to photography and I am about to move up from my
consumer digital (Sony DCS-85) that I took some great pictures with
and go with a digital SLR of which I have narrowed down with all my
vast knowledge, lol ... to the Canon 10D :)

I need to know what the most essential lens is to start out with,
because I am on a limited budget and this is simply a hobie. I
love to take allot of outdoor photos of nature and I live in
Charleston, SC and make it up to Asheville for photos, etc. I also
like to take photos of friends and family and I am simply to new to
photography to make a solid buying decision on a $500-$1500 lens.
If you want to make your 10D an advanced point and shoot, by all
means get the 28-135IS like everyone surely suggests. But if you
want to dig right away deeper into what SLR photography really is,
choose

one from

35/2
50/1.8
50/1.4

and one from

100/2.8 macro
100/2
135/2 + 1.4 extender

Zooms are overrated. Use you feet to zoom.

--
Pekka
http://photography-on-the.net
 
Thanks Bill... yes I need to save some monies more than I probably need to buy this stuff, but hey... you only live once!
The 28-135 gives you great range, and is a perfect travel/"dont
know what im going to shoot" lens - plus you get IS.

The 50mm gives you an appreciation for sharpness and speed.

Likely you'll want something wider next, but use these 2 for a
while and you'll know much better where you want to go.

Save some of your money until you know!

-b
I'd recommend the Canon 28-135 IS and the Canon 50mm F1.8 for
indoors, low light. You can get both of these for around $500
total. You can build a lens collection from there but this will get
you going with some decent glass for non-pro uses.

--
Doug Walker
Check my profile for equipment list.
 
I'd recommend the Canon 28-135 IS and the Canon 50mm F1.8 for
indoors, low light.
That's exactly my own current lens combination. It's great, I learned a lot with both these lenses.

The 28-135 IS is on my camera most of the time, I use the 50mm for low light condition or when speed is really required. Look at my sites below to see some shots taken with these lenses.

-------------------------
http://www2.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=111479
http://cath.nicewebs.com/html/index.php
 
Mishkin,

Can you write that out in a word problem, lol... I feel like I am taking a logic course :) (J/K) It makes perfect sense, I just need allot of work on my P(x)s, F(x)s and ohh yeah F(x,f)s :) I will be sure to update you when I figure all this stuff out!
P(x)
F(x)

Thus, if you zoom with your feet and find perfect P(x), this x will
automatically determine F and most likely, it's not what you want!
Vice versa, if you find perfect F, P will most likely be not what
you wanted.

With zoom, you have 2 variables, x and focal length f, so you have

P(x)
F(x, f)

Two variables make achieving perfect P and F simultaneously: you
chose x to get perfect Perspective, then adjust f to get perfect
Framing.

Oftentimes, timing is everything and a split-second zoom action
from 28mm to 135mm gets you a shot you will otherwise miss while
zooming with your feet or changing 28mm prime to 135mm prime.
Hey all :)

I am very new to photography and I am about to move up from my
consumer digital (Sony DCS-85) that I took some great pictures with
and go with a digital SLR of which I have narrowed down with all my
vast knowledge, lol ... to the Canon 10D :)

I need to know what the most essential lens is to start out with,
because I am on a limited budget and this is simply a hobie. I
love to take allot of outdoor photos of nature and I live in
Charleston, SC and make it up to Asheville for photos, etc. I also
like to take photos of friends and family and I am simply to new to
photography to make a solid buying decision on a $500-$1500 lens.
If you want to make your 10D an advanced point and shoot, by all
means get the 28-135IS like everyone surely suggests. But if you
want to dig right away deeper into what SLR photography really is,
choose

one from

35/2
50/1.8
50/1.4

and one from

100/2.8 macro
100/2
135/2 + 1.4 extender

Zooms are overrated. Use you feet to zoom.

--
Pekka
http://photography-on-the.net
--
Mishkin
 
Thanks Bill... yes I need to save some monies more than I probably
need to buy this stuff, but hey... you only live once!
Oh, I'm not saying save your money - you gave that up when you bought a 10D.

I'm saying if you have $1500 to spend, spend $500 on the 28-135IS and 50mm, then spend the other $1000 in a couple weeks when you have a better idea what you want.

I disagree with the people suggesting the L glass, especially the 24-70L.

Certainly the 24-70L is a great lens, but at $1400, you'll spend your whole budget and many people (myself included) prefer primes in this range.

-b
 
I see this advice too often, usually from people doing mostly urban
and indoor photography. For those doing landscape and nature work,
zooms are a necessity of life. If I had to 'use my feet to zoom',
to get the compositions that I'm afer, I'd often end up over a
cliff, in the middle of impenatrable brush, in mid-air, or waist
deep in a river. You can't just walk where ever you please out in
the natural world to compose your shot, or carry half a dozen
lenses to cover all FL's. Animal encounters usually don't leave
you the luxury of suddenly changing lenses either. Everyone's
needs will differ, depending on what they're trying to capture.
I think it depends on your style and your way of seeing. Landscapes aren't a specialty, exactly, but I do dabble in them, and I mostly use primes. I don't find them restricting much at all. Here are a couple:







Petteri
--
Portfolio: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/ ]
Photo lessons: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/lessons/ ]
 
Petteri,
How do you attach those photos? What res do you use?
I have a couple I wouldn't mine sharing :)
I see this advice too often, usually from people doing mostly urban
and indoor photography. For those doing landscape and nature work,
zooms are a necessity of life. If I had to 'use my feet to zoom',
to get the compositions that I'm afer, I'd often end up over a
cliff, in the middle of impenatrable brush, in mid-air, or waist
deep in a river. You can't just walk where ever you please out in
the natural world to compose your shot, or carry half a dozen
lenses to cover all FL's. Animal encounters usually don't leave
you the luxury of suddenly changing lenses either. Everyone's
needs will differ, depending on what they're trying to capture.
I think it depends on your style and your way of seeing. Landscapes
aren't a specialty, exactly, but I do dabble in them, and I mostly
use primes. I don't find them restricting much at all. Here are a
couple:







Petteri
--
Portfolio: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/ ]
Photo lessons: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/lessons/ ]
 
Cute picture :) thanks for the feedback :)
...then added the 28-135IS (most used lens) and, after trying the
17-40, decided I wasn't enough of a WA kind of guy and got a Sigma
20/1.8 prime. I use the primes for indoors and both the 20/1.8 and
the 28-135 for outdoors.

I'm very happy with this set. The 28-135 is a great lens at the
long end... This is a fairly compressed JPEG, and there could be
more background blur...

http://www.pbase.com/image/17514651

--Matt
 
Mishkin wrote:
[snip]

I think there's one incorrect assumption in the discussion I snipped: that there is one perfect perspective and composition for any given scene. Even with a prime, there are many, many good ways of shooting it. This explains the possibility of individual styles of photography. Just a though...
Oftentimes, timing is everything and a split-second zoom action
from 28mm to 135mm gets you a shot you will otherwise miss while
zooming with your feet or changing 28mm prime to 135mm prime.
OTOH, and this is my experience, having a zoom introduces one more variable into the equation: this may complicate the picture-taking process so much that the extra time taken to deal with it may make you miss your timing. It works both ways.

My approach is to change lenses only as a last resort: instead, I try to make the scene work with the lens I have on the camera. It helps me focus on the composition and timing.

I'm pretty sure, though, that experience matters a lot. If you have rock-solid technique and highly developed photographic vision (you can visualize a scene effectively before shooting at a variety of different focal lengths), a zoom will work better. Speaking only for myself, I'm just not a good enough photographer to make zooms work for me. I need a few more years with my primes: switching between the 17, 35, and 50 may eventually teach me the skills I need to shoot effectively with a 17-40 or thereabouts.

Again, I'm not trying to argue some inherent superiority of primes over zooms: just that there are different techniques that adapt to different tools; superb results can be had either way.

One thing worth considering, though, is price. For amateurs, where missing a shot isn't critical (unlike for pros, who feel it immediately in their pocketbook), it may make more sense to get a small set of primes -- you get pro-level quality at a much lower price. If a few shots slip through the cracks, who cares?

Petteri
--
Portfolio: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/ ]
Photo lessons: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/lessons/ ]
 
So many opinions, what to do with all of them, lol

Can everyone send me their resumes? hehe.... I had not looked at the wad I would be spending on the 24-70L at $1400.00, my god what else does that thing do? Do naked women spontaneously jump in my lens view? If so I will flip the bill :)

Thanks again Bill
Thanks Bill... yes I need to save some monies more than I probably
need to buy this stuff, but hey... you only live once!
Oh, I'm not saying save your money - you gave that up when you
bought a 10D.
I'm saying if you have $1500 to spend, spend $500 on the 28-135IS
and 50mm, then spend the other $1000 in a couple weeks when you
have a better idea what you want.

I disagree with the people suggesting the L glass, especially the
24-70L.
Certainly the 24-70L is a great lens, but at $1400, you'll spend
your whole budget and many people (myself included) prefer primes
in this range.

-b
 
Wismie that is an excellent website! Did you do the authoring? Those are some great pics, the dog is very cute and the butterfly shot is great too :)

Thanks for the feedback
I'd recommend the Canon 28-135 IS and the Canon 50mm F1.8 for
indoors, low light.
That's exactly my own current lens combination. It's great, I
learned a lot with both these lenses.

The 28-135 IS is on my camera most of the time, I use the 50mm for
low light condition or when speed is really required. Look at my
sites below to see some shots taken with these lenses.

-------------------------
http://www2.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=111479
http://cath.nicewebs.com/html/index.php
 
Good point... and I certainly don't care considering out of about 100 photos I only get 10 or so that I really like... If I am lucky!!!
I think there's one incorrect assumption in the discussion I
snipped: that there is one perfect perspective and composition for
any given scene. Even with a prime, there are many, many good ways
of shooting it. This explains the possibility of individual styles
of photography. Just a though...
Oftentimes, timing is everything and a split-second zoom action
from 28mm to 135mm gets you a shot you will otherwise miss while
zooming with your feet or changing 28mm prime to 135mm prime.
OTOH, and this is my experience, having a zoom introduces one more
variable into the equation: this may complicate the picture-taking
process so much that the extra time taken to deal with it may make
you miss your timing. It works both ways.

My approach is to change lenses only as a last resort: instead, I
try to make the scene work with the lens I have on the camera. It
helps me focus on the composition and timing.

I'm pretty sure, though, that experience matters a lot. If you have
rock-solid technique and highly developed photographic vision (you
can visualize a scene effectively before shooting at a variety of
different focal lengths), a zoom will work better. Speaking only
for myself, I'm just not a good enough photographer to make zooms
work for me. I need a few more years with my primes: switching
between the 17, 35, and 50 may eventually teach me the skills I
need to shoot effectively with a 17-40 or thereabouts.

Again, I'm not trying to argue some inherent superiority of primes
over zooms: just that there are different techniques that adapt to
different tools; superb results can be had either way.

One thing worth considering, though, is price. For amateurs, where
missing a shot isn't critical (unlike for pros, who feel it
immediately in their pocketbook), it may make more sense to get a
small set of primes -- you get pro-level quality at a much lower
price. If a few shots slip through the cracks, who cares?

Petteri
--
Portfolio: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/index/ ]
Photo lessons: [ http://www.seittipaja.fi/lessons/ ]
 
According to the price you can put in it, I think the 24-70 is a very good lens. The problem come from the 1.6 crop factor :(

I bougth the following Lens :

70-200 F4 L
50 F1.8
28-105 F3.5-4.5

I love the 70-200 F4L for outside shots, portrait, sport, ... I am using the 28-105 when I need a smaller and lighter Lens.

And I think I will buy 24-70 F when I can afford it because the 28mm is a bit two big with the 1.6 factor.
Hey all :)

I am very new to photography and I am about to move up from my
consumer digital (Sony DCS-85) that I took some great pictures with
and go with a digital SLR of which I have narrowed down with all my
vast knowledge, lol ... to the Canon 10D :)

I need to know what the most essential lens is to start out with,
because I am on a limited budget and this is simply a hobie. I
love to take allot of outdoor photos of nature and I live in
Charleston, SC and make it up to Asheville for photos, etc. I also
like to take photos of friends and family and I am simply to new to
photography to make a solid buying decision on a $500-$1500 lens.

Thanks in advance for helping a "newbie."

Regards,
Brian
--
Stéphan (from France)
http://www.pbase.com/stef_fr
 

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