How to Test for Shutter Shock?

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Whenever a new camera comes out there seems to be a firestorm around one technical problem or another. Canon shooters might recall the one around the 1DsMkII having focus problems. So, the E-M1 seems to have a number of people who say their cameras are experiencing "shutter shock"--which I never heard of before last week. I'm a bit skeptical but I'd still like to know if my new E-M1 has this problem. So, could someone please post what they think would be the ideal way to test for this malady? I'd be very grateful and will report back my results.

Thanks.
 
Take some hand held shots between 60th and 160th of a second and magnify the images at 400%. Check for vertical ghost images. This is best tested with very fine and contrasty horizontal lines in your test motive. Power lines against the sky work well and you should use a longer focal length like the 45/1.8
 
Only worry if you see unusual blurring at 100%. Never, ever look at a photo at 400%.

I don't recommend any kind of formal tests, as that can lead to killing any joy you have in photography.

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John Krumm
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Take some hand held shots between 60th and 160th of a second and magnify the images at 400%. Check for vertical ghost images. This is best tested with very fine and contrasty horizontal lines in your test motive. Power lines against the sky work well and you should use a longer focal length like the 45/1.8
 
I appreciate your suggestion but it would seem to add uncontrolled variables. Shooting phone lines against the sky? How is the camera supposed to reliably focus? And shooting handheld would introduce a variability to each shot. Finally, looking at anything at 400% is going to be so pixilated I'm not sure you could determine anything.

Is there some shutter speed at which shutter shock is supposed to be most prevalent?
 
print out a high-contrast target and include some vertical and horizontal lines (and 45o angles for good measure). or you can even just make one on your computer and shoot your computer monitor. try to take a sequence of shots, not just one.

try it a range of shutter speeds, all the way up to 1/500

try it with IBIS ON, and then OFF

Try shutter lag / anti-shock too.

tripod vs hand-held

multiple lens, if you have that luxury (especially light vs heavy)

for good measure turn the camera sideways!

and lastly, post back!!
 
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hand shake, with IBIS, At 14mm, 1/160? as much as I'd love to believe it.... eh

nor do I buy the "it's diffraction at f/8". either Oly suddenly makes sub-entry-kit quality lens or something else is going on
 
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The method I use is described here http://cameraergonomics.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/how-to-test-for-shutter-shock.html I am skeptical about several recent posts on this forum alleging shutter shock with the new EM1. Some of the attached photos are not convincing. Most unsharpness in photos is caused by someone not holding the camera still at the moment of exposure.
Have done now 24 tests and all show the shutter shock on my E M1, this has nothing to do with diffraction or by not holding the camera still. Why do i have consistently better results at 1/8 sec instead of in the range 1/260 till 1/50 ? IBIS should take care of blur through camera movement.
I hate to sent my camera back and have tried time after time to convince myself that it is me and not the camera. Followed up all the suggestions to run the test properly.
My supplier is stating that this an inherent problem of the shutter, so they know about it and suggest to work around it to avoid shutter speeds in the problem range or return the camera.
DP review reported a shutter shock problem with E P5 and fortunately the one i own does not have this problem. I tested the E M1 in the same way.
As i said before this might be case of sample variation and i am sure that many E M1's are fine.
 
especially since it seems your experience is in the minority. maybe the shutter mechanism was too 'loose' on your camera or some other sort of variation.
 
especially since it seems your experience is in the minority. maybe the shutter mechanism was too 'loose' on your camera or some other sort of variation.
If it is just an unfortunate manufacturing anomaly, i.e. a particular assembly worker not tightening something enough or too much, etc., it really needs to get back to Olympus so they can nip it in the bud for future batches.

But sounds like it may only affect a few people, so I'm not as worried as before. Still eying the EM1 for possible purchase in the Spring.
 
I tested yesterday with the 12-40 at 40 with release lag time short and normal and could not find anything repeatable.

I still suspect it's a problem of steadying the cam properly and/or sample variation.
 
Take some hand held shots between 60th and 160th of a second and magnify the images at 400%. Check for vertical ghost images. This is best tested with very fine and contrasty horizontal lines in your test motive. Power lines against the sky work well and you should use a longer focal length like the 45/1.8
 
Otherwise, why worry?
 
Whenever a new camera comes out there seems to be a firestorm around one technical problem or another. Canon shooters might recall the one around the 1DsMkII having focus problems. So, the E-M1 seems to have a number of people who say their cameras are experiencing "shutter shock"--which I never heard of before last week. I'm a bit skeptical but I'd still like to know if my new E-M1 has this problem. So, could someone please post what they think would be the ideal way to test for this malady? I'd be very grateful and will report back my results.

Thanks.
Here's how to do it: ;-)

http://www.falklumo.com/lumolabs/articles/k7shutter/index.html

For a somewhat simplified version, make sure you have a good test target such as this one (this is a 100 percent crop).

P2265994-1.jpg


The key is the print-screen structure, whose appearance and disappearance will tell you clearly and quickly how much blur there is. And you really need that since the results in hand-held shooting will vary quite a shot-to-shot basis so that you need pretty large samples in order to draw any clear conclusions.

For those who have a camera with an electronic shutter, like many recent Panasonics, the self-evident solution is to shoot at the same shutter speed with the mechanical versus the electronic shutter and see what difference that makes. A good place to start with regard to shutter speed is at 1/125 since the problem is known to be worst at roughly that point.

For the E-M1, which doesn't have an electronic shutter, it's a good idea to use a lens that you should normally be able to hand-hold at 1/125, e.g., with an FL of 40, 45 or 50. If you see significantly worse results at 1/125 (or thereabout) than you do if you go to faster speeds as well as if you go to lower (with IBIS or OIS on).

Note that the impact of shutter shock is lens-dependent on several grounds. Like with any other source of camera shake, the problem gets worse with longer FLs. But the length and weight of the lens barrel may have an impact on top of that since a long and heavy barrel moves the point of gravity away from the shutter, increasing the likelihood that the shutter forms part of a moment arm. Why that matters is explained in the post I link to below, which additionally provideds some ideas about proper holding-techniques to minimize the impact of the shock:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51554589

The grip I talk about in that post is just one version of the same theme. If the lens is short and light, try supporting the camera via the body only, not the lens, and avoid using much in the way of head support. If the lens is longer and heavier, try supporting it close to the mount and use only gentle head support.
 
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and you tried at all shutter speeds, all the way up to 1/500? (no i'm not trying to attack you, in fact more reports of not having the problem are good news)
I tested yesterday with the 12-40 at 40 with release lag time short and normal and could not find anything repeatable.

I still suspect it's a problem of steadying the cam properly and/or sample variation.
 

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