G1X On The Way :)

JBrian · Feb 22, 2013

After a brief and somewhat unsatisfying love affair with an Nikon V1, I decided to sell it and order an G1X. Something I should've done from the beginning but did not due to cost and initial complaints/quirks regarding the camera. The G1X images provided from several sites show the IQ that I've been wanting from a small form factor camera especially at high ISO. I'll live with the quirkiness like I did with the V1 but at the end of the day IQ is what I'm looking for.

So in short, I'm excited to jump back over to the Canon forum and hope to take and share some great photos soon with the new G1X. I've been a Canon guy for years until my hiatus with the V1, which is still a great camera just realizing it's not what I'm looking for.

Cheers!

Rod McD · Feb 22, 2013

Welcome back. The G1X has a steady group of users here, mostly down to the excellent IQ. We all know the camera's few, much-discussed foibles and have obviously decided to accept them for our style of photography.

Hope you enjoy it.

Cheers, Rod

Bassy · Feb 23, 2013

enjoy your new canon i have had mine for just one week still learning

Adam-T · Feb 23, 2013

The warranty is just about to expire on mine in a few days and in that whole year, it`s been a pivotal tool as a part of my job (as its Totally Silent) as well as a great cam for taking Leisure pics covering nearly 13,000 images (so it`s reliable) ..

It successfuly replaced the Fuji X100 and the only thing I`d replace it with would be a faster version of the same camera .....

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Rod McD · Feb 23, 2013

Hi Adam,

As you can see from my earlier post in this thread, I very much like my G1X, but I was interested to see that you replaced your Fuji X100 with yours. That's fair praise indeed - the X100 is a much revered camera. If I have a lust for any other camera, it's the XE1 plus zoom - it's not any dissatisfaction with the G1X IQ, just an interest in both the classic controls and the high grade 100% EVF. (At 2X the price!). May I ask what made you replace the X100 - was it just the versatility of the zoom on the G1X and at the time before the XE1 and zoom became available?

Any comments appreciated.

Thanks, Rod

Darren N · Feb 23, 2013

Excellent news you will love it & we all look forward to seeing some of your images.

The G1X got a lot of bad press at first, I don't know why because all the other G models got good press & i suspect some wanted it to fail.

But the camera is fantastic & is getting more followers so I hope canon take notice & continue this line with a mark ll.

Darren.

Adam-T · Feb 23, 2013

Rod McD said:
high grade 100% EVF. (At 2X the price!). May I ask what made you replace the X100 - was it just the versatility of the zoom on the G1X and at the time before the XE1 and zoom became available?

Backgound .... I got the X100 because it offered one major league feature I Need for work - the ability to shoot totally silently in Auditoriums / churches etc - having that means that I can just shoot for the best shot rather than least disturbance and it needs an APS-C sensor to achieve that in the light levels, I tried the old Sony R1 and small sensor compacts with varying degrees of failure .... Mirrorless cams clatter worse than some DSLRs ..

The Prob with the X100 is that it`s only 12Mp and no zoom which means little room for cropping , there`s no IS either and the Video is useless - also the lens which is OK at F2 front focusses the more you stop it down meaning the edges are rarely sharp on flat scenes ever (Fuji UK confirmed this) it`s down to a lens designed issue which causes Focus shift , quite a few DSLR lenses suffer too such as the canon 24mm F2.8 and 20-35 F3.5-4.5 usm..

The G1X lens is pin sharp end to end, edge to edge at all apertures, has an immensely effective IS, 2 more Mp and a ZOOM, also it takes the EOS flashes from my main work rig . like the X100 it`s totally Silent . Video is more than usable .

The Fuji X-Pro series aren`t on the map , they clatter just like the rest of the mirrorless brigade, the glass is overpriced and limited and the zoom whilst fast is horrible for CA and edge performance from the samples I`ve seen . I`ve yet to see a RAW converter which gets the most from X-Trans too , most make it softer for fine detail than the X100 or G1X making the lack of AA filter pointless, AF isn`t good (though the X100 and G1X aren`t marvellous either), M43, Samsung and NEX have far better AF in all light .

gdourado · Feb 23, 2013

JBrian said:
After a brief and somewhat unsatisfying love affair with an Nikon V1, I decided to sell it and order an G1X. Something I should've done from the beginning but did not due to cost and initial complaints/quirks regarding the camera. The G1X images provided from several sites show the IQ that I've been wanting from a small form factor camera especially at high ISO. I'll live with the quirkiness like I did with the V1 but at the end of the day IQ is what I'm looking for.

So in short, I'm excited to jump back over to the Canon forum and hope to take and share some great photos soon with the new G1X. I've been a Canon guy for years until my hiatus with the V1, which is still a great camera just realizing it's not what I'm looking for.

Cheers!

Hi.
As you may have seen on other forums, I am currently searching for a camera and the g1x and v1 are two of my choices.
I am very interested to learn what you did not like I the v1 and what the know issues are with the g1x.
I read somewhere you disliked the v1 mainly on the high ISO iq.
Anything else?
Also, is it true you cannot disable the image review on the evf?

Cheers!

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

Rod McD said:
Rod McD wrote:

Welcome back. The G1X has a steady group of users here, mostly down to the excellent IQ. We all know the camera's few, much-discussed foibles and have obviously decided to accept them for our style of photography.

Hope you enjoy it.

Cheers, Rod

Thanks Rod!

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

Very nice photos Bassy! Thanks for sharing!

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

I was also considering the Fuji, but price was an limiting factor, Sony RX100 was another contender but price is still too high and the IQ doesn't seen quite up to the G1X, it's close but not there. It's good to know that you've experienced both Fuji X100 and G1X and still found the G1X a winner in the end. Thanks for sharing!

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

Thanks Darren! Really looking forward to it!

Adam-T · Feb 23, 2013

JBrian said:
JBrian wrote:

I was also considering the Fuji, but price was an limiting factor, Sony RX100 was another contender but price is still too high and the IQ doesn't seen quite up to the G1X, it's close but not there. It's good to know that you've experienced both Fuji X100 and G1X and still found the G1X a winner in the end. Thanks for sharing!

The RX100 is very good for a pixel packed 1" sensor but it`s not even close to the G1X for Dynamic range or depth, the images still look like P&S images wheras the G1X is basically 14Mp`s worth of 7D quality (but with better high ISO performance due to developments) the RX100 lens isn`t in the same class as the G1X optic either . it DOES however make a great S90 replacement , better IMO than the later S cams though the price needs to drop

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

gdourado said:
gdourado wrote:

Hi.
As you may have seen on other forums, I am currently searching for a camera and the g1x and v1 are two of my choices.
I am very interested to learn what you did not like I the v1 and what the know issues are with the g1x.
I read somewhere you disliked the v1 mainly on the high ISO iq.
Anything else?
Also, is it true you cannot disable the image review on the evf?

Cheers!

Hi gdourado!

I think for me the end IQ is what i wasn't thrilled and the main reason I decided to sell the V1. The images are clean, colorful and sharp but the depth of field and that dSLR quality look are what I want. The V1 takes very good point and shoot style photos. The new 18.5/1.8 lens will help isolate the subject and give nicer bokeh but even then that image quality is not what I'm looking for. The V1 itself is well built, sturdy and reliable, and has a great little viewfinder for this price range. The lenses are small and sharp enough for great photos although I do wish the lenses had a manual focus ring. High ISO performance is okay for small snapshots but doesn't hold a candle to the larger sensor camera RX100, G1X etc.. Things like being unable to disable image review are somewhat of a nuisance, the only workaround is to immediately half press the shutter button after a shot to clear it. Simple mode adjustments are buried in the menu and are inconvenient. The lack of built in flash is another expense and inconvenient and really is a necessity. The new V2 addresses most of the shortcomings but is still too expensive for the IQ it produces which is non-dSLR quality. You could find an used entry level dSLR and immediately get better results in a slightly larger for factor.

If you want an really fast, somewhat smaller than standard size dSLR camera that will instantly lock focus and capture fast moving kids, sports, action etc.. with ease then the V1 should fit the bill for you. Images are clean in good light, sharp with good color, although WB may need some slight adjustment due to green cast in some cases. If Nikon were to put an APSC sensor in this think the Nikon 1 would most likely rock.

If you're shooting slower moving still subjects, taking your time to compose, shooting in low light, want significantly better IQ, physical manual controls, vari-angle LCD for awkward shooting positions, then the G1X will probably give you what your looking for. Of course I still haven't even received mine but from the hundreds of comments and reviews I've read about the G1X this is the reality of the camera. I will update you with any additional information as I start to use the camera.

Good luck!

JBrian · Feb 23, 2013

Adam-T said:
AdamT wrote:

Adam-T said:

JBrian wrote:

I was also considering the Fuji, but price was an limiting factor, Sony RX100 was another contender but price is still too high and the IQ doesn't seen quite up to the G1X, it's close but not there. It's good to know that you've experienced both Fuji X100 and G1X and still found the G1X a winner in the end. Thanks for sharing!

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The RX100 is very good for a pixel packed 1" sensor but it`s not even close to the G1X for Dynamic range or depth, the images still look like P&S images wheras the G1X is basically 14Mp`s worth of 7D quality (but with better high ISO performance due to developments) the RX100 lens isn`t in the same class as the G1X optic either . it DOES however make a great S90 replacement , better IMO than the later S cams though the price needs to drop

Adam-T · Feb 23, 2013

I shoot the G1X in RAW except for product work and the DR is the same as the 7D, 550D etc (which isn`t suprising as its basically the same sensor, they just used a 14Mp chunk of it, hence the smaller size) , the RX100 isn`t even close in shadow or highlight recovery .

YiannisPP · Feb 23, 2013

Adam-T said:
AdamT wrote:

I shoot the G1X in RAW except for product work and the DR is the same as the 7D, 550D etc (which isn`t suprising as its basically the same sensor, they just used a 14Mp chunk of it, hence the smaller size) , the RX100 isn`t even close in shadow or highlight recovery .

Adam-T · Feb 23, 2013

YiannisPP said:
Hmm, so what is the scientific explanation for DxO Mark giving the RX100 a 1.5 stop DR advantage then?

DXO is full of crap and always has been - it also stated that the pinhead sensor in the SX50 is better than the G15 and other 1:1.6" sensors - No way , I own the SX50 , it`s excellent for a pinhead but even the old S90`s CCD beats it by a margin for High ISOs and by quite a bit for DR & colour depth .

YiannisPP said:
Second question: I know you don't own the RX100 Adam, so how in the world can you justify a claim such as "the RX100 isn`t even close in shadow or highlight recovery"?

I`ve developed enough RAWs and seen the mess in the shadows which is a lot cleaner from the G1X and the RX suffers wiped out highlghts too which I`ve not been able to recover.. the RX100 is good for a pixel packer and I`d replace my S90 with one in a heartbeat if I had a RAW converter I was happy using which was compatible (I Hate Silkypix etc) but it`s no APS-C and no G1X .

YiannisPP · Feb 24, 2013

Adam-T said:
AdamT wrote:

Adam-T said:

Hmm, so what is the scientific explanation for DxO Mark giving the RX100 a 1.5 stop DR advantage then?

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DXO is full of crap and always has been - it also stated that the pinhead sensor in the SX50 is better than the G15 and other 1:1.6" sensors - No way , I own the SX50 , it`s excellent for a pinhead but even the old S90`s CCD beats it by a margin for High ISOs and by quite a bit for DR & colour depth .

Adam-T said:

Second question: I know you don't own the RX100 Adam, so how in the world can you justify a claim such as "the RX100 isn`t even close in shadow or highlight recovery"?

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I`ve developed enough RAWs and seen the mess in the shadows which is a lot cleaner from the G1X and the RX suffers wiped out highlghts too which I`ve not been able to recover..

You are an experienced shooter, surely you know that this depends on the actual DR of the scene and the tone curve used by the jpeg engines. You've told me you've had a hard time finding RX100 RAWs actually, but let's suppose you found enough which had blown highlights. How do you know the G1X would've registered more DR? Answer: You don't. You can't say if you haven't shot them side by side. Maybe the G1X leaves more room for highlight recovery in RAW because its jpeg clips them more, but that doesn't translate in it having more DR overall.

Adam-T said:
the RX100 is good for a pixel packer...

Overall I see some bias I'm afraid, so I think we can leave this here. One last thing though, Imaging Resources also says the RX100 has about 1 stop extra DR in RAW compared to the G1X. I know what you're going to say though, they're full of crap too. But the fact is these are professional people who have tested both cameras extensively. You on the other hand have never touched an RX100.

JBrian · Feb 24, 2013

YiannisPP said:
YiannisPP wrote:

YiannisPP said:

AdamT wrote:

YiannisPP said:

Hmm, so what is the scientific explanation for DxO Mark giving the RX100 a 1.5 stop DR advantage then?

Click to expand...

DXO is full of crap and always has been - it also stated that the pinhead sensor in the SX50 is better than the G15 and other 1:1.6" sensors - No way , I own the SX50 , it`s excellent for a pinhead but even the old S90`s CCD beats it by a margin for High ISOs and by quite a bit for DR & colour depth .

YiannisPP said:

Second question: I know you don't own the RX100 Adam, so how in the world can you justify a claim such as "the RX100 isn`t even close in shadow or highlight recovery"?

Click to expand...

I`ve developed enough RAWs and seen the mess in the shadows which is a lot cleaner from the G1X and the RX suffers wiped out highlghts too which I`ve not been able to recover..

Click to expand...

You are an experienced shooter, surely you know that this depends on the actual DR of the scene and the tone curve used by the jpeg engines. You've told me you've had a hard time finding RX100 RAWs actually, but let's suppose you found enough which had blown highlights. How do you know the G1X would've registered more DR? Answer: You don't. You can't say if you haven't shot them side by side. Maybe the G1X leaves more room for highlight recovery in RAW because its jpeg clips them more, but that doesn't translate in it having more DR overall.

YiannisPP said:

the RX100 is good for a pixel packer...

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Overall I see some bias I'm afraid, so I think we can leave this here. One last thing though, Imaging Resources also says the RX100 has about 1 stop extra DR in RAW compared to the G1X. I know what you're going to say though, they're full of crap too. But the fact is these are professional people who have tested both cameras extensively. You on the other hand have never touched an RX100.

It's quite alright guys and gals... We don't need to start any arguments over anything. I ordered the G1X, and nothing is going to sway my opinion other than my own thoughts and experience with the camera at this point. I don't care if one is better over the other at this point, the G1X ticks the check boxes I'm looking for and the overall images I've seen produced with the G1X lead me to believe I'll be happy with the IQ produced by this camera even if it has a few shortcoming or slightly less dynamic range vs the RX100 as mentioned by some 3rd party sites. I think the G1X has a great balance of form factor, lens and sensor/processor.

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