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Today my wife and I and another couple went for a trip to Columbus, Ohio. We first stopped at the Polaris mall complex. I decieded to take my D60 and shoot entirely with my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens all day. Wrong!

I get busted by mall security for taking pictures! Why? Security reasons?? "We do not allow pictures in the mall due to the architectual one of a kind designs" said the security cop. "No pictures!" He said.

We then traveled to the Easton shopping area on the West side. I was in the Apple store taking a shot of my friend looking at a new Powerbook g4. A store clerk approached and said "Apple corporate does not allow picture of any kind to be taken in the store." "Please stop or you will have to leave." What?????????

We left had some lunch and I thought "What a day." This all seems so silly.

I was taking several pictures of out group outside in a fountain area not realizing that a policelady pulled up in her truck and called to me to step over to the vehical. (I later found out her vehical ariving at the scene is in one of my pictures!) She informed me that "You are not allowed to take picture anywhere on the ground without permission from management. Do you have permission?" I said " No" She responded with "Put the camera away and do not take any more pictures."

I give up - busted 3 times in six hours!

I did go see Easton management an office near the theater. They informed me I would have to get permission and that such permission is seldom approved. I did get the persons name and number to reach who has the authority to allow me to take picture.

No big deal - just a day out to try out my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens with a group of friend and my wife. Maybe a trip to the county next time . . . .

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Tom 'turk' Terleski
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... the owners can control your photography. But if you are NOT on their land (say, in the street) you can shoot them all you want!
It would be nice if they had a sign, however.
KP
Thomas Terleski said:
Today my wife and I and another couple went for a trip to Columbus,
Ohio. We first stopped at the Polaris mall complex. I decieded to
take my D60 and shoot entirely with my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens all
day. Wrong!

I get busted by mall security for taking pictures! Why? Security
reasons?? "We do not allow pictures in the mall due to the
architectual one of a kind designs" said the security cop. "No
pictures!" He said.

We then traveled to the Easton shopping area on the West side. I
was in the Apple store taking a shot of my friend looking at a new
Powerbook g4. A store clerk approached and said "Apple corporate
does not allow picture of any kind to be taken in the store."
"Please stop or you will have to leave." What?????????

We left had some lunch and I thought "What a day." This all seems
so silly.

I was taking several pictures of out group outside in a fountain
area not realizing that a policelady pulled up in her truck and
called to me to step over to the vehical. (I later found out her
vehical ariving at the scene is in one of my pictures!) She
informed me that "You are not allowed to take picture anywhere on
the ground without permission from management. Do you have
permission?" I said " No" She responded with "Put the camera
away and do not take any more pictures."

I give up - busted 3 times in six hours!

I did go see Easton management an office near the theater. They
informed me I would have to get permission and that such permission
is seldom approved. I did get the persons name and number to reach
who has the authority to allow me to take picture.

No big deal - just a day out to try out my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens
with a group of friend and my wife. Maybe a trip to the county
next time . . . .

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Tom 'turk' Terleski
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29 lbs. of Canon stuff in a backpack that I carry everywhere. A closet full of things that are banned in Britain. A minivan and a Fender Stratocaster. A three bedroom ranch with three owls on an acre. An aversion to rumours. Also, absolutely no Canon 1200mm f/5.6. Yet.
 
Blame the lawyers instead...

There is a lot of suits going on around "intellectual property" rights - if you don't enforce yours - you can lose them. Or at least so say the lawyers.

I know one mall cop who was fired because he was tested by the management - he didn't care about the photographer, and he certainly didn't think he was a terrorist. He also didn't think that he was a plant aimed at proving that the mall was taking steps to test their policies.

Bummer.

He has a better job now anyway.
Thomas Terleski said:
Today my wife and I and another couple went for a trip to Columbus,
Ohio. We first stopped at the Polaris mall complex. I decieded to
take my D60 and shoot entirely with my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens all
day. Wrong!

I get busted by mall security for taking pictures! Why? Security
reasons?? "We do not allow pictures in the mall due to the
architectual one of a kind designs" said the security cop. "No
pictures!" He said.

We then traveled to the Easton shopping area on the West side. I
was in the Apple store taking a shot of my friend looking at a new
Powerbook g4. A store clerk approached and said "Apple corporate
does not allow picture of any kind to be taken in the store."
"Please stop or you will have to leave." What?????????

We left had some lunch and I thought "What a day." This all seems
so silly.

I was taking several pictures of out group outside in a fountain
area not realizing that a policelady pulled up in her truck and
called to me to step over to the vehical. (I later found out her
vehical ariving at the scene is in one of my pictures!) She
informed me that "You are not allowed to take picture anywhere on
the ground without permission from management. Do you have
permission?" I said " No" She responded with "Put the camera
away and do not take any more pictures."

I give up - busted 3 times in six hours!

I did go see Easton management an office near the theater. They
informed me I would have to get permission and that such permission
is seldom approved. I did get the persons name and number to reach
who has the authority to allow me to take picture.

No big deal - just a day out to try out my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens
with a group of friend and my wife. Maybe a trip to the county
next time . . . .

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Tom 'turk' Terleski
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The more things change, the more things change
 
Ken Phillips said:
... the owners can control your photography. But if you are NOT on
their land (say, in the street) you can shoot them all you want!
It would be nice if they had a sign, however.
KP
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I agree that they have the right to stop me from taking pictures - but why??

Not one location has any signs posted. I did receive a card from the first mall security guard with "rules and regs" that did say no photography. These cards are not available anywhere else in the mall and no signs are posted.

Seems to me this whole issue would be very difficult to inforce - but they do have the right - it is their property.
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Tom 'turk' Terleski
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This is where P&S cameras come into play. Sometimes
small is better. I'm sort of tweaked at Phil for not reviewing
the S230. A lot of us care about the advances at that end
of the market. The S400 looks real good and I can't wait
for that review.

Someone else posted today about getting busted at a sports
arena with a 1D and a white 70-200L. I mean, that's kind
of a "Duh" if you ask me. (no offense to the poster, I've been
there and I know how much it bites).

Complaining about clueless security people is pointless.
Either cooperate with them or try to outsmart them, or just
don't draw their attention in the first place...
 
Ken Phillips said:
... the owners can control your photography. But if you are NOT on
their land (say, in the street) you can shoot them all you want!
It would be nice if they had a sign, however.
KP
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Ken,

A couple of years ago I stopped on the shoulder of a state highway to get a better look at a strange looking craft being built in a local boatyard. It was in full view partially behind cyclone fencing. It looked like a cross between a stealth bomber and a PT boat. I learned later that this was exactly what it was. However on that day two MP's came running out from this civilian boatyard to tell us we could not even stop on the side of the highway, much less take pictures!

Seemed extreme when the craft was in plain view less than seventy-five feet from the highway however it also seemed like a damned bad idea to argue the point.

Hu
 
Big Yellow Taxi
by Joni Mitchell

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They took all the trees
Put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see 'em

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Hey farmer farmer
Put away that DDT now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
 
Exactly...this is nothing new!
Dave Deacon said:
Big Yellow Taxi
by Joni Mitchell

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They took all the trees
Put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see 'em

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Hey farmer farmer
Put away that DDT now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man

Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
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I've built more than one business copying other successful businesses by taking pictures. I've been surprised I was able to do so. Can't say I blame the business owners! Fact is though if someone is intent on ripping off your designs or ideas they will do so unless you are operating in a vacuum in which case you cannot run a successful business. Again, just another cost of doing business. At the end of the day the only protection one has of staying ahead of the crowd is doing a better job than those who'd rip you off. An idea is only ONE of the aspects of a successful business. Quite frankly a minor one.
Thomas Terleski said:
Today my wife and I and another couple went for a trip to Columbus,
Ohio. We first stopped at the Polaris mall complex. I decieded to
take my D60 and shoot entirely with my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens all
day. Wrong!

I get busted by mall security for taking pictures! Why? Security
reasons?? "We do not allow pictures in the mall due to the
architectual one of a kind designs" said the security cop. "No
pictures!" He said.

We then traveled to the Easton shopping area on the West side. I
was in the Apple store taking a shot of my friend looking at a new
Powerbook g4. A store clerk approached and said "Apple corporate
does not allow picture of any kind to be taken in the store."
"Please stop or you will have to leave." What?????????

We left had some lunch and I thought "What a day." This all seems
so silly.

I was taking several pictures of out group outside in a fountain
area not realizing that a policelady pulled up in her truck and
called to me to step over to the vehical. (I later found out her
vehical ariving at the scene is in one of my pictures!) She
informed me that "You are not allowed to take picture anywhere on
the ground without permission from management. Do you have
permission?" I said " No" She responded with "Put the camera
away and do not take any more pictures."

I give up - busted 3 times in six hours!

I did go see Easton management an office near the theater. They
informed me I would have to get permission and that such permission
is seldom approved. I did get the persons name and number to reach
who has the authority to allow me to take picture.

No big deal - just a day out to try out my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens
with a group of friend and my wife. Maybe a trip to the county
next time . . . .

===============================
Tom 'turk' Terleski
===============================
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Burke Churchill
 
Thomas Terleski said:
Today my wife and I and another couple went for a trip to Columbus,
Ohio. We first stopped at the Polaris mall complex. I decieded to
take my D60 and shoot entirely with my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens all
day. Wrong!

I get busted by mall security for taking pictures! Why? Security
reasons?? "We do not allow pictures in the mall due to the
architectual one of a kind designs" said the security cop. "No
pictures!" He said.

We then traveled to the Easton shopping area on the West side. I
was in the Apple store taking a shot of my friend looking at a new
Powerbook g4. A store clerk approached and said "Apple corporate
does not allow picture of any kind to be taken in the store."
"Please stop or you will have to leave." What?????????

We left had some lunch and I thought "What a day." This all seems
so silly.

I was taking several pictures of out group outside in a fountain
area not realizing that a policelady pulled up in her truck and
called to me to step over to the vehical. (I later found out her
vehical ariving at the scene is in one of my pictures!) She
informed me that "You are not allowed to take picture anywhere on
the ground without permission from management. Do you have
permission?" I said " No" She responded with "Put the camera
away and do not take any more pictures."

I give up - busted 3 times in six hours!

I did go see Easton management an office near the theater. They
informed me I would have to get permission and that such permission
is seldom approved. I did get the persons name and number to reach
who has the authority to allow me to take picture.

No big deal - just a day out to try out my new 20 mm 2.8 Canon lens
with a group of friend and my wife. Maybe a trip to the county
next time . . . .

===============================
Tom 'turk' Terleski
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PC writes:

I don't understand that either... why can't I take picture of my children walking around the mall? I mean a two years old child 's picture in the mall will warrant a security guard coming up to me asking me to stop photographing in the mall or be kicked out? What security risk? I feel that my freedom is being taken away bit by bit... sooner or later the only place I take pictures will be in my own house.
Paul
 
...its all an illusion.

I believe (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong - I can't find the copyright FAQ I read it in a year ago to verify this) that in America you do not hold the copyright on a photograph of any building built since some time in the 70's - even if you take it from a public place. i.e: the photograph is not yours and you may not publish it without the permission of the owner of the building (or it could be the architect - I can't remember).

But there you go - a country where copyright law is controlled by Disney.

dd
 
The ability to shoot photos without attracting attention is a real art. Cartier-Bresson is a pretty good example of a man who can slide in, get the shot, and slide away unseen. My advice is go back to those three places where you got busted and try again...just to see if you can be more furtive and get away with it.

Zidar
Alaska
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It's not about stuff.
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The owner of the World Trade Center sure doesn't own the copyright to all those news photos that show the jets crashing into the towers. When you own a building you have certain rights, but copyright is not one of them.

Copyright law in America is quite a bit older than Mickey Mouse. Disney controlls Disneyland. The law protects Disney from those who would steal their intellectual property. Same as it protects me.

Zidar
Alaska

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We, here in Europe, always learned at school that America is the land of 1 mio possibillities and opportunities, the land of freedom, the land where anything is possible.

When I read posts like this, I'm happy I live in Europe. We can shoot (pics) where we want and no police or some strange rule is bothering you. I have the feeling that 9-11 still is a big influence in America, many things are restricted and under rules.

If you want real freedom, come to the Netherlands.

Joep Leenen, the Netherlands
http://www.JoepLeenen.net
D60, Sigma 15-30, Canon 50 f1.8 I, Canon 28-105, 550EX, Image Tank 20 Gb
 
That's a gross oversimplification. Copyright law terms of protection vary depending on a number of factors including date published and whether an individual (s) published or an entity.

But anyway, I believe the poster's reference was regarding the Sonny Bono Copyright Term Extension Act. This act extended copyright from 75 years for corporations to 95 years. Individuals got an extra 20 years as well, going from 50 years after death to 70 years after death.

Disney dollars, lobbyists, and associated PAC's have been the driving force behind copyright term extension in the last few years. None of that has anything to do with protecting you or I. It's all about protecting the below mentioned mouse, his pals, and all the dough they bring to the party for Disney.

Here's an interesting article to digest:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20020305_sprigman.html

The question anyone ought to ask themselves is this (from the Constitution's copyright clause): Does extending copyright another 20 years increase or decrease the benefit to the public when it comes to "promoting the progress of science and the useful arts"?

IMO, it is detrimental to our society, and simply represents another case of deep pocket corporate interests getting their way irregardless of the public interest. You can lump it in with the DMCA and the CBDTPA as further assaults on basic consumer freedoms we have all taken for granted.

If we don't wake up, we are going to live in a world were every single outsider mediated experience will come with a mini-charge on a per use basis...Of course none of us will be able to afford nor manage the infrastructure to enforce this consistently when it comes to our works, but guess who will??
zidar said:
Copyright law in America is quite a bit older than Mickey Mouse.
Disney controlls Disneyland. The law protects Disney from those who
would steal their intellectual property. Same as it protects me.

Zidar
Alaska

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Well, no it's not entirely. Go an look it up like I just did.

As a matter of fact, while US copyright law does actually permit photographs of buildings from public places to be published (even though the buildings themselves are protected under law and you can't copy them without permission), it doesn't stop the owners or designers from coming after you. There have apparently been several cases where high-profile buildings have been photographed and published and the owners have subsequently launched legal action.

You are not in any way in clear waters. Copyright laws are very complicated.

And while copyright law may be older than Mickey Mouse, my original statement stands - no matter how much you may dislike it. Copyright period used to be a short period of time and it is a well known fact that it keeps getting extended - mainly thanks to the likes of Disney who don't want their precious mouse in the public domain.

Recently it got extended from 70 years to 90 years in the US due to lobbying. How ludicrous is that! I'm glad it's only 70 years here in the UK - and that is way too long. 25 years would seem fair and reasonable - and as an author I fully support any moves to reduce the time.

dd
zidar said:
The owner of the World Trade Center sure doesn't own the copyright
to all those news photos that show the jets crashing into the
towers. When you own a building you have certain rights, but
copyright is not one of them.

Copyright law in America is quite a bit older than Mickey Mouse.
Disney controlls Disneyland. The law protects Disney from those who
would steal their intellectual property. Same as it protects me.

Zidar
Alaska

--
It's not about stuff.
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OK, I have never been bothered by police or by anyone outdoors, but I have been asked not to photograph in many public and private indoor areas in Scandinavia. Not sure if it's related to 9/11 or not, but let's not pretend that Europe is a free-for-all where you can photograph whatever you like.
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Is this really related to 9/11, or is it more related to the incredible advances in digital imaging. Let's face it - given enough money, it is becoming easier and easier for even rank amateurs to take great high resolution photographs. Not saying that there's no skill involved, but the cameras are getting better and better all the time, and digital means you can just keep trying until you get the shot.

If you can take 3,000 high-res photographs of a mall, you can go and build another one just like it. Are US corporations using 9/11 as an excuse to crack down on something unrelated that they've been worried about?
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D60, 16-35/2.8L, 50/1.4, 28-135 IS, 420EX, 550EX
 
hyslopc said:
OK, I have never been bothered by police or by anyone outdoors, but
I have been asked not to photograph in many public and private
indoor areas in Scandinavia. Not sure if it's related to 9/11 or
not, but let's not pretend that Europe is a free-for-all where you
can photograph whatever you like.
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D60, 16-35/2.8L, 50/1.4, 28-135 IS, 420EX, 550EX
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