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It's the stupidest reason I've ever seen for switching systems ever. He must have money to burn. He didn't even know how to use AF Fine Tune - I very much question the 'pro' status on display here...
schmegg said:
So it would seem that the real story is somewhere in-between the two views expressed below. ;-)

(always makes me laugh when one fanboy accuses another fanboy of being a fanboy! LOL!)
russbarnes said:
lol. LMAO :) Could there be any more BS crammed into 2 and a half lines on this forum? The 1DX has already been shown to have some very questionable AF results indeed, and especially where compared to the D4. Focussing down to -2EV, the D4 still nails every shot where the 1DX falls apart. You absolutely need to get your facts straight, you're even worse than Chronic in terms of fanboy BS.
VivaLasVegas said:
Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless.
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Lea5 said:
Where? I guess you never owned your own photobusiness.
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I've know more than one photobusiness owner who didn't have a clue.

Not saying your one of them - just saying.
Lea5 said:
My gear cost around 50 K including lenses.
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Also know plenty of people who've spent stupid amounts of money on gear but are shocking photographers. The value of your gear means nothing really. ;-)

I totally agree with you though that it is a bit pointless switching brands - these level cameras are all capable of delivering a competent shooter with everything they need.

Just gotta laugh though that it seems whenever a thread starts in this forum that is in anyway unflattering toward Nikon, a bunch of Nikon shooters turn up to defend their chosen brand.

Do you guys ever read anything in your own forums? I'm surprised you have the time to monitor this forum with such diligence!
 
russbarnes said:
It's the stupidest reason I've ever seen for switching systems ever. He must have money to burn. He didn't even know how to use AF Fine Tune - I very much question the 'pro' status on display here...
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I agree that switching brands is usually not a sensible thing to do. I personally wouldn't like that rear LCD on my camera, but I also wouldn't want to change over all my lenses and other accessories because of it. Nor would any perceived difference in AF or IQ tempt me. They are both great cameras!

In any case - what suits me may not suit you, and what suits him may not suit either of us. And he certainly has the right to make his own decisions.
 
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
 
russbarnes said:
It's the stupidest reason I've ever seen for switching systems ever. He must have money to burn. He didn't even know how to use AF Fine Tune - I very much question the 'pro' status on display here...
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I'm sure he could figure out how to fine tune his lenses, but maybe he just dosent think he should have to fine tune in order to get the focus he's looking for. ;)
 
VivaLasVegas said:
Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless.
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What an idiot - could you try to actually post something useful one of these days, instead of you ridiculous fanboy drivel?
 
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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schmegg said:
Just gotta laugh though that it seems whenever a thread starts in this forum that is in anyway unflattering toward Nikon, a bunch of Nikon shooters turn up to defend their chosen brand.
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I think they have an auto-alert function that we don't have :D
schmegg said:
Do you guys ever read anything in your own forums? I'm surprised you have the time to monitor this forum with such diligence!
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I sometimes wonder the same. I occasionally read the Nikon D4 forum but rarely post there and if I do I never diss a Nikon camera as it would be looking for an argument. From the time I spend on that forum I don't see the issues that exist on the Canon forums. This forum can be a strange place.

Bob

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russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational.
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In your opinion. But, not in his opinion - and he's got enough shooting experience to be credited with at least the assumption the he knows what's most important to him , and what he can and can't work with.

Frankly - I agree with him - but I still wouldn't change systems in his position (then again, maybe I would if it wasn't going to affect me financially, after all, the camera is just a means to an end - not the ends itself!)
 
Well, to them the image files looked better overall from the 1DX and they felt the AF was significantly faster. They did not like the softer files from the D4 regardless of their methodology. It's their test, their decision as to what works best for them so why does it bother you so much?

Bob
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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Its called providing balance to the BS and flat out lies created from the fantasies of Messrs Las Vegas, Chronic and co.
schmegg said:
Just gotta laugh though that it seems whenever a thread starts in this forum that is in anyway unflattering toward Nikon, a bunch of Nikon shooters turn up to defend their chosen brand.

Do you guys ever read anything in your own forums? I'm surprised you have the time to monitor this forum with such diligence!
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I don't care whether he's stupid enough to buy something he can't find a real reason to use, I merely responded to the usual round of garbage from Vegas...

"Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless."
rwbaron said:
Well, to them the image files looked better overall from the 1DX and they felt the AF was significantly faster. They did not like the softer files from the D4 regardless of their methodology. It's their test, their decision as to what works best for them so why does it bother you so much?

Bob
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
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russbarnes said:
Its called providing balance to the BS and flat out lies created from the fantasies of Messrs Las Vegas, Chronic and co.
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OK. But you do realise they are just winding you up, don't you?

And boy! Don't you take the bait! ;-)

Anyway, there really is no need - most of us have enough knowledge to spot the facts amongst the hyperbole! Though I do understand how it could be frustrating - we get trolled plenty enough in this forum to know how it feels! :-)
 
russbarnes said:
I don't care whether he's stupid enough to buy something he can't find a real reason to use, I merely responded to the usual round of garbage from Vegas...

"Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless."
rwbaron said:
Well, to them the image files looked better overall from the 1DX and they felt the AF was significantly faster. They did not like the softer files from the D4 regardless of their methodology. It's their test, their decision as to what works best for them so why does it bother you so much?

Bob
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
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Andy Rouse seems to like the 1DX more than the D4 ;)
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog/223.php
 
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational.
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actually the decision was done very rational. they compared how the cameras work for THEIR business .. and decided based upon their criteria.

they didn't go forum hopping or DXO measurabating for a bunch of stats that don't make sense to their business.

does the camera fit the need? in their business eyes, no .. that's pretty rational .. what's irrational is your posts in this thread.
 
It does not take an engineer degree to realize D4's body is held up by screws and snap-on type connections, extremely weak connections. Look under the Nikon logo, a huge void, I bet this will be patched up by plastic. Again, too many connections prone to movement and squeaks.



It does not take a rocket engineer to declear 1DX's magnesium alloy body construction is superior to D4. 1DX body came from one single metal mold, unlike pieces of metal put together by screws and snap-on connections. Some Nikon fanboys call it modern construction, I call it cheap, less elegant, weak(squeaks) and half ass!



This



Versus this



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And he doesn't say that anywhere either.
Ogjetaknight said:
russbarnes said:
I don't care whether he's stupid enough to buy something he can't find a real reason to use, I merely responded to the usual round of garbage from Vegas...

"Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless."
rwbaron said:
Well, to them the image files looked better overall from the 1DX and they felt the AF was significantly faster. They did not like the softer files from the D4 regardless of their methodology. It's their test, their decision as to what works best for them so why does it bother you so much?

Bob
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
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Andy Rouse seems to like the 1DX more than the D4 ;)
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog/223.php
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russbarnes said:
Ogjetaknight said:
russbarnes said:
I don't care whether he's stupid enough to buy something he can't find a real reason to use, I merely responded to the usual round of garbage from Vegas...

"Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless."
rwbaron said:
Well, to them the image files looked better overall from the 1DX and they felt the AF was significantly faster. They did not like the softer files from the D4 regardless of their methodology. It's their test, their decision as to what works best for them so why does it bother you so much?

Bob
russbarnes said:
You forgot one component - the decision was irrational. Watch the video and count the scores they gave. The D4 had better noise, better AF in the dark, better DR, no banding. They all agreed. Even the focus was more consistent. What did the 1DX 'win' on? An LCD colour which others don't see and AF speed under normal daylight. Wow. Hand me my cheque book....
david01234 said:
To recap:

1. We have two photographers: a Nikon guy and a Canon guy.

2. A head-to-head series of tests were made comparing the D4 with the 1DX.

3. After the tests, the Nikon guy made the decision to switch to Canon.
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http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
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Andy Rouse seems to like the 1DX more than the D4 ;)
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog/223.php
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True he dosent directly say the 1DX is better but he does praise the 1dx quite highly and says that his D4 misfires.
 
schmegg said:
russbarnes said:
Its called providing balance to the BS and flat out lies created from the fantasies of Messrs Las Vegas, Chronic and co.
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OK. But you do realise they are just winding you up, don't you?
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And they seem to be able to find that chain in the dark and know just how hard to yank on it :D. That's just an observation though as I don't condone posting obvious BS on the forum although everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Bob

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Shaun_Nyc said:
VivaLasVegas said:
Old news......Nikon's 51pts AF is old, inconsistant, soft and slow like mallasses. Tons of D3, D3s and D4 owners are dumping their Nikon system for Canon's lastest beast in 1DX. Think about it, of the 51 AF pts, 40(non x-type) of them are useless.
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Orig D3 All day long , year after year ! any conditions, any where !
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You do realize this is a boat going from right to left at a constant speed in board day light WITH overall image plane perpendicular to the sensor? Dude, I can nail this same shot with a film camera or PS tack sharp!
Shaun_Nyc said:
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