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More mpix does not automatically mean more resolution.
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bobn2
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I'm surprised that you chose those pictures to 'support' you case. Ludicrous amounts of posterisation generated in an attempt to extend the tonal range to more than there was DR in the file to provide it.
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Bob
What's my case by the way? I am questioning more-pixel in P&S or cameraphone cameras probably will trump less-pixel DSLRs. So just give samples from a 10mp DSLR. I have tons of other photos from 12mp 5D. I am waiting to see some photos from cameraphones that display at 2000-pixel wide that will beat 5D photos.
By the way, they don't have posterization but just recovered highlight and pulled shadow a bit under such harsh noon contrasty bright sunlight. I have shown to some people and they all said they look very good under that circumstance.
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By the way, they don't have posterization but just recovered highlight and pulled shadow a bit under such harsh noon contrasty bright sunlight. I have shown to some people and they all said they look very good under that circumstance.
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Plus she sold her D800 for Dinner.
5tve
Leading Member
There are many categories of Cameras these dayscameraphone is P&S to me.I never mentioned P&S but I was responding to someone who did.Since you mentioned P&S, OP title maybe sometime true among different formats of sensors if he didn't mention D800 and 5D3For example it's not true that a 16mp P&S will have more resolution than a 12.8mp 5D. Does this Nokia 808 has more resolution than D800? LOL.
Suggest you check out these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-and-shoot_camera#Camera_types
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_phone
Yes I already have didn't you follow the link
I was not referring to GREAT photo's I actually said it takes great pictures for a camera phone the implication being by camera phone standards .
You seem very willing to argue minor details & ignore the many inaccuracies in chironNY posts I wonder why.
J
John Mason
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If you take 2 shots with the same motion blur then stare at the results at 100 viewing then one might delude themselves into thinking that the higher res camera is blurrier.
But once you scale the same then the delusion will vanish.
We had the same type of posts when the 5d2 came out when people were pixel peeping at 100 percent and concluding the 5d was sharper. Got to bring your viewing to the same output size then compare. Pixel peeping can lead people to illogical conclusions.
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http://www.fototime.com/inv/407B931C53A9D9D
But once you scale the same then the delusion will vanish.
We had the same type of posts when the 5d2 came out when people were pixel peeping at 100 percent and concluding the 5d was sharper. Got to bring your viewing to the same output size then compare. Pixel peeping can lead people to illogical conclusions.
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John Mason - Lafayette, IN
http://www.fototime.com/inv/407B931C53A9D9D
I don't see these two have much fine details to be honest. My Powershot S95 can deliver similar if not better,There are many categories of Cameras these dayscameraphone is P&S to me.I never mentioned P&S but I was responding to someone who did.Since you mentioned P&S, OP title maybe sometime true among different formats of sensors if he didn't mention D800 and 5D3
Suggest you check out these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-and-shoot_camera#Camera_types
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_phone
Yes I already have didn't you follow the link
You didn't say that in your last post but went further to suggest it maybe better than 5D. That's why I asked further.
No I am not. On the records, I always agree D800 has more resolution than 5D3 that I never doubt. But I just questioning your claim a more-pixel phonecaemra will have more resolution (if merely mean more MP) but I more care about fine details than a less-pixel larger-sensor DSLR. Many times I found photos from my 12.8mp 5D have more fine details than from my 18mp 60D. Wondering does DXO test backs up your claims?
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commiebiker
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Slideshow Bob
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qianp2k,
It's not the first time that you've posted little tiny images in a thread discussing the relative merits of 22mp and 36mp. I'm not trying to ruin your day or anything, but please...... what's the point?
Pretty much everyone here could post resized images from lower resolution cameras, but I just don't see what that has to do with anything.
SB
It's not the first time that you've posted little tiny images in a thread discussing the relative merits of 22mp and 36mp. I'm not trying to ruin your day or anything, but please...... what's the point?
Pretty much everyone here could post resized images from lower resolution cameras, but I just don't see what that has to do with anything.
SB
Please understand what we are disputing upon first. I am not involved in 5D3 vs D800 resolution dispute as started by OP as they both are on the same size sensor format. However I am disputing whether a more-pixel cameraphone or P&S can resolve more fine details than a much bigger sensor FF DSLR under this sub-thread. I think you and few just ignore crop factor.
By the way 2000-pixel is not tiny by web posting standard. I have tons of 3000-pixel wide 5D1 photos that I believe can withstand cameraphone or P&S challenges
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
By the way 2000-pixel is not tiny by web posting standard. I have tons of 3000-pixel wide 5D1 photos that I believe can withstand cameraphone or P&S challenges
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Mikael Risedal
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OK
you shows us some pictures, great, why not do that in a thread that is about animals ?
Life is a battle wishes aunt Titti
you shows us some pictures, great, why not do that in a thread that is about animals ?
--Please understand what we are disputing upon first. I am not involved in 5D3 vs D800 resolution dispute as started by OP as they both are on the same size sensor format. However I am disputing whether a more-pixel cameraphone or P&S can resolve more fine details than a much bigger sensor FF DSLR under this sub-thread. I think you and few just ignore crop factor.
By the way 2000-pixel is not tiny by web posting standard. I have tons of 3000-pixel wide 5D1 photos that I believe can withstand cameraphone or P&S challenges
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Life is a battle wishes aunt Titti
5tve
Leading Member
Nothing great about the lion pics any brave fool with a Nokia 808 could have walked up to the lion & grabbed a much better shot or perhaps used a telephoto.
http://photojojo.com/store/press/photos/iphone-telephoto-lens
Link to original http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokiaofficial/6964293893/in/set-72157629175309550/
Its pretty clear to me having 41 MP crammed into the small Nokia 808 sensor is not hurting image quality in comparison with any other camera phone.
Perhaps we should get back on the OP's topic & discus chironNY's ridiculous claims instead of being sidetracked on the relative merits of modern cameraphones versus older generation 10MP DSLR's
edit :actual dimensions of the 100% crop are 1178 x 884 pixels if you want to crop one of your pics to the same size to compare resolution.
I am answering the sub thread of 41mp cameraphone...
I said in another post that the OP would have merits if he didn't compare 5D3 to D800 but a generic topic that resolution or fine details are affected by many other factors - crop factor, lens, processor ....rather just pixel amount alone if you don't include other factors.
I don't believe a cell phone camera can resolve more fine details than a FF camera even a 12mp camera if both display at 2000-3000 pixel wide or print upto 30x20". In this specific case, sensor size or crop factor are decisive factor not amount of pixels.
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
I said in another post that the OP would have merits if he didn't compare 5D3 to D800 but a generic topic that resolution or fine details are affected by many other factors - crop factor, lens, processor ....rather just pixel amount alone if you don't include other factors.
I don't believe a cell phone camera can resolve more fine details than a FF camera even a 12mp camera if both display at 2000-3000 pixel wide or print upto 30x20". In this specific case, sensor size or crop factor are decisive factor not amount of pixels.
you shows us some pictures, great, why not do that in a thread that is about animals ?
Please understand what we are disputing upon first. I am not involved in 5D3 vs D800 resolution dispute as started by OP as they both are on the same size sensor format. However I am disputing whether a more-pixel cameraphone or P&S can resolve more fine details than a much bigger sensor FF DSLR under this sub-thread. I think you and few just ignore crop factor.
By the way 2000-pixel is not tiny by web posting standard. I have tons of 3000-pixel wide 5D1 photos that I believe can withstand cameraphone or P&S challenges
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Really why you don't go to a zoo and take some photos and let's compare?
Your Nokia 808 samples are typical look - flat and dull, from a P&S and not better than my S95, seriously.
Take your Nokia 808 and have some portrait that will see the difference so clearly. These two are also from a 10mp 1D3 under ISO 1250 that your Nokia will fall part so miserably. That 41mp is a crappy super mushy one, LOL.
you can find original 2000-pixel wide in http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/7843305573/albums/5dvsothers . Dare to post?
Oh yah can you Nokia 808 do these shots? I guess lions will not wait your focus either.
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
Your Nokia 808 samples are typical look - flat and dull, from a P&S and not better than my S95, seriously.
Take your Nokia 808 and have some portrait that will see the difference so clearly. These two are also from a 10mp 1D3 under ISO 1250 that your Nokia will fall part so miserably. That 41mp is a crappy super mushy one, LOL.
you can find original 2000-pixel wide in http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/7843305573/albums/5dvsothers . Dare to post?
Oh yah can you Nokia 808 do these shots? I guess lions will not wait your focus either.
--Nothing great about the lion pics any brave fool with a Nokia 808 could have walked up to the lion & grabbed a much better shot or perhaps used a telephoto.
http://photojojo.com/store/press/photos/iphone-telephoto-lens
Link to original http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokiaofficial/6964293893/in/set-72157629175309550/
Its pretty clear to me having 41 MP crammed into the small Nokia 808 sensor is not hurting image quality in comparison with any other camera phone.
Perhaps we should get back on the OP's topic & discus chironNY's ridiculous claims instead of being sidetracked on the relative merits of modern cameraphones versus older generation 10MP DSLR's
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
Your 60D images look smoother and more natural than your 1D3 images. Why you always argue so hard that aps-c images can not match full frame?
10mp 1D3 from about 35 meters away under noon harsh contrasty light, cropped a bit of more than 50%.
or from 18mp 60D
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They are under complete different light condition that you can see.
Again what I am arguing in this thread? I am just questioning a small cell phone camera can generate better photos than FF 5D. I am not convinced by those photos.
Separately let's welcome different opinions, more comprehensive opinions, rather either my way or highways approach. Many things are not absolute but really depend under what situations.
I hope OP will discuss in a generic term rather fall in the beaten-to-death topic again between D800 and 5D3.
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
Again what I am arguing in this thread? I am just questioning a small cell phone camera can generate better photos than FF 5D. I am not convinced by those photos.
Separately let's welcome different opinions, more comprehensive opinions, rather either my way or highways approach. Many things are not absolute but really depend under what situations.
I hope OP will discuss in a generic term rather fall in the beaten-to-death topic again between D800 and 5D3.
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rwbaron
Forum Pro
I'm confused as to what the images below are supposed to demonstrate. They are mushy and without detail on my monitor. Are you trying to demonstrate that 41 mp's in a cell phone produces low quality? If so your post is effective.
Bob
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Bob
--Nothing great about the lion pics any brave fool with a Nokia 808 could have walked up to the lion & grabbed a much better shot or perhaps used a telephoto.
http://photojojo.com/store/press/photos/iphone-telephoto-lens
Link to original http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokiaofficial/6964293893/in/set-72157629175309550/
Its pretty clear to me having 41 MP crammed into the small Nokia 808 sensor is not hurting image quality in comparison with any other camera phone.
Perhaps we should get back on the OP's topic & discus chironNY's ridiculous claims instead of being sidetracked on the relative merits of modern cameraphones versus older generation 10MP DSLR's
edit :actual dimensions of the 100% crop are 1178 x 884 pixels if you want to crop one of your pics to the same size to compare resolution.
http://www.pbase.com/rwbaron
Full frame camera certainly can generate photos that no cell phone camera can. On the other hand some of the newer cell phone cameras can produce good enough photos that you can't tell that they are not from a full frame camera unless told so.
I don't want to invoke a new dispute that worth a separate thread. Amount of pixel determines resolution on a give crop format. However the image quality (IQ) of entire photo is not determined by amount of pixels alone but many other factors - color rendition, smoothness and tonality and natural sharpness and lens choice of course, not only on the different crop format (that is still #1 factor) but even on the same format camera. Resolution is just one part of IQ but not entire IQ spectrum and they are equally important if not more important than MP alone.
So cell phone camera vs DSLR - not just by resolution but fine details (which is not the same as resolution but details/noises), color tonality and rendition and natural sharpness are still in different level if both view around 2000 pixels that start telling difference clearly as I can see between my S95 and DSLRs.
http://qianp2k.zenfolio.com/
So cell phone camera vs DSLR - not just by resolution but fine details (which is not the same as resolution but details/noises), color tonality and rendition and natural sharpness are still in different level if both view around 2000 pixels that start telling difference clearly as I can see between my S95 and DSLRs.
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cell phone camera maybe not bad in this scenario. Beware next time when you hang a yellow Nikon strap on your neck or on a tripod. Yellow is attractive
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1114874
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1114874
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