D800, what are the known weak points vs a Canon

hunk · Feb 8, 2012

This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

there is no sRAW. Really?, so we MUST bring another camera for snapshots? Strange as even the cheapest Canon has different RAW sizes (in pixels) for many years.
there is no small wifi-transmitter? Bummer! In my studio all bodies have a small wifi transmitter so I see the pics on an iPad or laptop within 2 seconds. With the D800 I'll have to choose between the monster cabled WT4 or a eyefi with a rather limited range.

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widedxprime · Feb 8, 2012

Yes, we use the canons for snapshots and Nikons for the real deal

diverroy · Feb 8, 2012

If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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Sideswiped · Feb 8, 2012

Lower FPS will be one, but it may not be that big of a detractor to you.

No SRAW, but it does have multiple crop factors (1.2x, 1.5x and 5:4 ) which will cut back on file size and boost fps. If your worried about file size for snap shots, why not just switch to jpg for those occasions(large, fine jpg is 16+mb)? You could also change the raw settings to attain smaller file sizes. A d800 raw file is estimated to be +75mb at 14bit uncompressed , lossless compressed 14bit is +41mb, and compressed its +35mb. Even smaller if you kick the bit rate down to 12bit compress, than it becomes +29mb (+13mb in 1.5x crop).

I'd love to have sraw, but the lack of it has never been an issue for me.

hunk · Feb 8, 2012

With a wedding I use sRAW for the reception and party as I do need to correct for WB and incorrect exposure -but I don't need anything big.
DX mode is nice to have, sure.

diverroy said:
If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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reginalddwight · Feb 8, 2012

Nikkor glass, on average, is much more expensive than Canon's. Be prepared to take a big dent in your wallet.

rhlpetrus · Feb 8, 2012

How small is small Raw? I understand it's not actually RAW, so I call it that way? Are you worried about file size, what?

hunk said:
With a wedding I use sRAW for the reception and party as I do need to correct for WB and incorrect exposure -but I don't need anything big.
DX mode is nice to have, sure.

diverroy said:

If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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rondhamalam · Feb 8, 2012

hunk said:
This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

there is no sRAW. Really?, so we MUST bring another camera for snapshots? Strange as even the cheapest Canon has different RAW sizes (in pixels) for many years.

I have 5D2 and D700. TBH I never use sRAW on 5D2 at all.

Snapshot or whatever I always use full RAW. And my £250 of 10TB hard drives still empty after several years.

Simple reason, we can never predict when a great moment comes, especially in snapshot. And almost 40% of great moments in my collection were unpredictable. I don't want to be caught with sRAW when the great moment suddenly comes.

joeyv · Feb 8, 2012

I can only think of one: no PRINT BUTTON!

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hunk · Feb 8, 2012

sRaw is raw as RAW, only resized. Quality is great.

On a party I tend to shoot a 1000 pictures. So yeah, I'll use another body, DX, 8bits or a combination of these as I never print these pictures big.

rhlpetrus said:
How small is small Raw? I understand it's not actually RAW, so I call it that way? Are you worried about file size, what?

hunk said:

With a wedding I use sRAW for the reception and party as I do need to correct for WB and incorrect exposure -but I don't need anything big.
DX mode is nice to have, sure.

diverroy said:

If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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michaeladawson · Feb 8, 2012

hunk said:
sRaw is raw as RAW, only resized. Quality is great.

All that I have read about sRAW says that it is not really raw. It is a demosaic'ed "tiff" file that has been down sampled. It does have the benefit that it allows you to change the WB after the fact. But it is not a true raw file. However, if you have knowledge to the contrary please point me to the information. I always prefer to know the correct information.

hunk said:
On a party I tend to shoot a 1000 pictures. So yeah, I'll use another body, DX, 8bits or a combination of these as I never print these pictures big.

rhlpetrus said:

How small is small Raw? I understand it's not actually RAW, so I call it that way? Are you worried about file size, what?

hunk said:

With a wedding I use sRAW for the reception and party as I do need to correct for WB and incorrect exposure -but I don't need anything big.
DX mode is nice to have, sure.

diverroy said:

If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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hunk · Feb 9, 2012

I'm not that technical. I guess you're right. I know this from experience, I can do the same things with sRAW as I can with RAW... so sRaw works a lot better for me than jpg and it's only half as big as RAW.

michaeladawson said:
hunk said:

sRaw is raw as RAW, only resized. Quality is great.

Click to expand...

All that I have read about sRAW says that it is not really raw. It is a demosaic'ed "tiff" file that has been down sampled. It does have the benefit that it allows you to change the WB after the fact. But it is not a true raw file. However, if you have knowledge to the contrary please point me to the information. I always prefer to know the correct information.

michaeladawson said:

On a party I tend to shoot a 1000 pictures. So yeah, I'll use another body, DX, 8bits or a combination of these as I never print these pictures big.

rhlpetrus said:

How small is small Raw? I understand it's not actually RAW, so I call it that way? Are you worried about file size, what?

hunk said:

With a wedding I use sRAW for the reception and party as I do need to correct for WB and incorrect exposure -but I don't need anything big.
DX mode is nice to have, sure.

diverroy said:

If you want to shoot snapshots why would you shoot raw.In any case for snap shots switch to DX mode less MP
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Donald Chin · Feb 9, 2012

hunk said:
This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

there is no sRAW. Really?, so we MUST bring another camera for snapshots? Strange as even the cheapest Canon has different RAW sizes (in pixels) for many years.

sRAW, I never see this as useful stuff.

hunk said:
there is no small wifi-transmitter? Bummer! In my studio all bodies have a small wifi transmitter so I see the pics on an iPad or laptop within 2 seconds. With the D800 I'll have to choose between the monster cabled WT4 or a eyefi with a rather limited range.

Use a wireless router is always a better option.

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DvD5 · Feb 9, 2012

Nikons don't have Sraw, but you can use lossless compressed raw or (somewhat) lossy compressed raw along with 12bit to get much smaller file sizes than 14bit uncompressed raw. Also, the 1.2, 4:5, and 1.5 crop factors will give you a smaller file size.

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Ilkka Nissilä · Feb 9, 2012

Really?

300/2.8 Canon $7299 at B&H
300/2.8 Nikon $5799

70-200/2.8 Canon $2174
70-200/2.8 Nikon $2396.95

24-70/2.8 Canon $2299
24-70/2.8 Nikon $1886.95

100/2.8 IS Canon macro $926
105/2.8 VR Nikon macro $899

I don't see a big difference overall.

Kuvasauna · Feb 9, 2012

Having pre-ordered D4 I also considered D800. Especially for low light shots sRAW would be greats when you don't get good per-pixel detail anyway. The huge RAW files D800 produces would be an issue for me. I would even prefer to have an extra small RAW (36/4=9mp) as an option for those snapshots. But I'm not complaining; D800 seems to give more camera for the money than any other DSLR out there.

hunk said:
This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

there is no sRAW. Really?, so we MUST bring another camera for snapshots? Strange as even the cheapest Canon has different RAW sizes (in pixels) for many years.

there is no small wifi-transmitter? Bummer! In my studio all bodies have a small wifi transmitter so I see the pics on an iPad or laptop within 2 seconds. With the D800 I'll have to choose between the monster cabled WT4 or a eyefi with a rather limited range.

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xjassa · Feb 9, 2012

asks me what camera to buy for "snapshots", I always point them to the Cannon Powershot line. They look at me and my Nikon gear with perplexed looks..

Jim Keye · Feb 9, 2012

I was wondering how long it would take for people to want to start getting rid of the 36 MPs. This must be a record, though.

hunk said:
This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

maiaibing · Feb 9, 2012

DvD5 said:
the 1.2, 4:5, and 1.5 crop factors will give you a smaller file size.

I understand the camera simply crops out part of the picture frame in-camera. So does not use all the sensor.

Two questions:

Is it still taking RAW-files?

Will the fps increase? - It does with sRaw, which is why I use sRaw from time to time.

bobn2 · Feb 9, 2012

hunk said:
This is from a lifelong Canon owner. I ordered a miracle D800 and I found a few weak points in comparison to my 1D and 5D. It surprised me. My question, are there more?

there is no sRAW. Really?, so we MUST bring another camera for snapshots? Strange as even the cheapest Canon has different RAW sizes (in pixels) for many years.

Nikons lossy compressed NEF is a better alternative to sRAW (which isn't at all raw). It can produce similar compressions while throwing away much less information (and introducing fewer alias artifacts, for which sRAW is quite bad)

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