My turn with the 550ex == underexposed

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I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1 without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why it works well for you?
 
I didn't mention I was using a D60!
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
 
Try bumping up the flash exposure compensation +1/3

If that is not enough also bump up the camera exposure by +1/3. Your right, when it works its works great. I find myself using fel and barcketing a lot. I will try to find my tips on using the 55oex. somebody here post some great advice a while back. I'll see if I can find it.
Mike Morbach
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
 
I apologize for not remembering who originally posted this but it is so good I saved it to my tips folder. Whoever you are thanks a million.
Mike Morbach

The posts concerning problems with E-TTL persist, and I even get private emails with questions and concerns on the subject. I've experienced the same problems that others have with ETTL early on, and for a long time did not even bother with it, continuing to use autothyristor flash units for both personal use and work. However, the built-in wireless capability of ETTL intrugued me, so I dove in and spent a great deal of time and effort learning if ETTL really worked.

For those who have noticed my posts on the subject for the past six months or so, then you already know that I have found ETTL to be highly reliable, predictable, and consistent, PROVIDED one follows the rules and procedures for using it. It is NOT a simple, point-and-shoot procedure, although one can certainly become proficient enough to make it seem so. In fact, were I Canon, I'd just continue to put standard TTL systems in the film cameras. Digital is a different beast, because it's impossible to have a light meter on the sensor in the same way it is meter off of film. So should Canon just go with an old-fashioned thyristor flash for the built-in system on the digitals. Possibly, for the non-pro cameras, but I can just see the complaints about an "outdated" flash system!

The fact is, ETTL is essentially REQUIRED for the Canon digitals, unless one chooses to mount manual/thyristor third-party units, so we're better off learning to use it. And I have thoroughly enjoyed using it, too!

Here's the basic rules that need to be followed:

1 - Remember, ETTL meters ambient light and the subject receiving the flash illumination separately, and it does so through the lens. This is the biggest difference between ETTL and thyristor flash, which merely meters the entire area, and does so from the flash unit itself.

2 - For ambient lighting, the metering mode is whatever you have chosen at the moment. For flash, it is the ACTIVE FOCUS POINT. If your subject is on the left, then the left focus point should be selected to meter flash on the subject.

3 - Flash output is measured by pre-flash. Therefore, DO NOT focus, recompose, and shoot. This practice, common in non-flash shooting, is, I would bet, the most common reason for poor or inconsistent flash exposure. If you need to recompose, then focus and press FEL, which goes ahead and meters for flash, placing the correct setting in memory so that you can recompose and shoot.

4 - Because ambient light and flash exposure are metered independently, exposure compensation also operates independently. If you are outdoors, the best balance is achieved by underexposing flash by about 1 stop, so that it serves as fill only. (NOTE: I elect to DISABLE the custom fuction which automatically reduces for fill flash, since I find it tends to reduce too much. Instead, I make the reduction myself.)

5 - Although ETTL, whether using the active focus point or FEL, can provide predictable results, the photographer MUST anticipate times when the system will be fooled. If the subject is dark, for instance, then less light will be reflected back and the flash system will think it must put out more power, resulting in overexposure. Likewise, if the subject is white or highly reflective, then the system will underexpose the flash. Compensate accordingly. Or, meter off of something else using FEL. (Remember, FEL uses the CENTER POINT ONLY!)

This week, I shot some group and candid photos for a local Vacation Bible School. Using a D60 or D30 and either the 550EX or 420EX (no, I do not experience any difference in performance between the two), every frame was correctly exposed. (I tend to keep the camera on +1/3 ambient exposure and +2/3 flash, but cameras can vary. Outdoors, the flash compensation was -1.) The indoor shots were all bounced. At 1/125 and ISO 200, the flash is certainly providing the majority of the illumination. Outdoors, it was high noon with cloudless skies. Flash was essential. Most shots, I believe, were in Tv mode. Aside from the compensation for outdoor vs indoor, the only thing I did was manually selecting the focus point. None are FEL.
Mike Morbach

These are just candids, not meant to be award winners in any way, but meant to illustrate how I have been able to make ETTL work for me. Bouncing children and harsh sunlight aren't easy. Despite my years of experience using it, thyristor flash would not have been as effecient for the outdoor shots.
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
 
I usually shoot in Av mode. I hardly ever use flash because most of my photos are nature. I use a Sto-fen with my 550EX. Here are some photos from last night. As you can see by the exif info I had plenty to play with a far as iso, dof and shutter speed went. I could have increased my dof which would have lowered my shutter speed. Looking back I wish I had but I was having too much fun to concern myself with taking photos. http://www.pbase.com/spike777/christmas_2002
Mike Morbach
Are there any tricks to managing depth-of-field when using ETTL?
 
I borrowed a 550EX a whiile back, and got consistent underexposure
by about 2/3 stop. The built-in flash is usually spot on, and I took
images on a tripod first with the internal and then with the 550EX
on the hot shoe.

So I just do not believe it is the user.

I checked with another 550EX: the same. And my MR-14EX needs
about 1.5 stops extra.

I am quite sure that there is a matching problem between some
D60s and external E-TTL flashes. I am just not going to believe
people who tell me to learn the system. I have, and I get
excellent results. With exposure compensation on the guns
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
--
D60. 20, 28-135 IS, 70-200/4L, 100 macro, Sigma 15-30, MR-14
 
I can live with flash exposure compensation. Let me ask a dumb question: With regards to FEC, and high-speed sync, does it matter if I set it on the flash or on the camera? Does one override the other?

If its set in the camera, I can at least see it in the exif data. I haven't figured out how to read flash data in the exif (if its possible).

Also, with flash exposure compensation, is that something that you can set it and leave it enabled for all situations/lenses, or does it vary? Is flash exposure compensation something that has to be used all the time?
So I just do not believe it is the user.

I checked with another 550EX: the same. And my MR-14EX needs
about 1.5 stops extra.

I am quite sure that there is a matching problem between some
D60s and external E-TTL flashes. I am just not going to believe
people who tell me to learn the system. I have, and I get
excellent results. With exposure compensation on the guns
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
--
D60. 20, 28-135 IS, 70-200/4L, 100 macro, Sigma 15-30, MR-14
 
I also get frustrated by this flash problem. Before I bough my D60 I had a 1V. That camera always exposed correct with the 550 EX flash. Now I have to use FEL and different sorts of compensations to get decent exposures. I must say that it is a scandal for a camera that costs about 250$ or something. If you put the camera on P and starts the flash 550 ex, point and shoot in a normal situation you should get a correct picture. I get that with my 1V, always. I don’t know if it is possible to correct with the firmware. But Canon must do something about the problem

I think the D60 is a very good camera despite of the flash function. I think the AF problem is excessively. I agree that it has problems when it is rather dark but not in normal light.

Regards Ulf
--
'Jazz is the teacher, Funk is the preacher'
http://www.ulf.home.se
 
I also get frustrated by this flash problem. Before I bough my D60
I had a 1V. That camera always exposed correct with the 550 EX
flash.
How do you know? - did you develop your own pictures? - Labs correct for such things, that's why we'll never know if the 28-135IS underexposure problem is inherent the lens or just on Digital bodies..

--
Olympus C2100UZI +B300 +A28, Canon D60, EOS7

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

 
My elan 7e doesn't have this sort of problem with the 420ex (haven't tried the 550). ETTL works like a champ on that body regardless of lens.
I also get frustrated by this flash problem. Before I bough my D60
I had a 1V. That camera always exposed correct with the 550 EX
flash. Now I have to use FEL and different sorts of compensations
to get decent exposures. I must say that it is a scandal for a
camera that costs about 250$ or something. If you put the camera on
P and starts the flash 550 ex, point and shoot in a normal
situation you should get a correct picture. I get that with my 1V,
always. I don’t know if it is possible to correct with the
firmware. But Canon must do something about the problem
I think the D60 is a very good camera despite of the flash
function. I think the AF problem is excessively. I agree that it
has problems when it is rather dark but not in normal light.

Regards Ulf
--
'Jazz is the teacher, Funk is the preacher'
http://www.ulf.home.se
 
I also get frustrated by this flash problem. Before I bough my D60
I had a 1V. That camera always exposed correct with the 550 EX
flash.
How do you know? - did you develop your own pictures? - Labs
correct for such things, that's why we'll never know if the
28-135IS underexposure problem is inherent the lens or just on
Digital bodies..
I´ll take slides and scan myself.
Olympus C2100UZI +B300 +A28, Canon D60, EOS7

My Ugly mug and submitted Photos at -------->
http://www.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=27855

--
'Jazz is the teacher, Funk is the preacher'
http://www.ulf.home.se
 
Adam-T wrote:
I´ll take slides and scan myself.
And I'll bring you nutrition and water while you wait, and wait, and wait. Seriously, though, I just downloaded 404 shots. I can only cringe at scanning (which I've done for many, many years.) I can't go back. UNLESS, it's medium format or larger...

But a well-exposed Flash picture on film beats an underexposed digital any time. That's what's frustrating here.

Jonathan
 
Are there any tricks to managing depth-of-field when using ETTL?
Try using manual instead of Av. Av will, of course, expose for the 'correct' background often resulting in slow shutter times. If you choose your own settings but remain in ETTL, then you have much more control of DOF, etc.
--
Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
Try bumping up the flash exposure compensation +1/3
If that is not enough also bump up the camera exposure by +1/3.
Your right, when it works its works great. I find myself using fel
and barcketing a lot. I will try to find my tips on using the
55oex. somebody here post some great advice a while back. I'll
see if I can find it.
Mike Morbach
I spent all yesterday morning doing flash shots with the 550 EX (I also have 420Ex). I had a hard time getting an 'under' exposure. Sometimes I used FEL--sometimes not--but made sure I had the subject under the focus point. IF--the point was on something further away, light, dark--and I didn't use FEL--then I didn't get what I wanted. However, I have learned that I can FEL on a further point (t will automatically give more flash) and not have to bother with +flash compensation--or vice versa. I think its important to pick one scene and then experiment with it--try all the modes--Av, Tv and manual (and even P), see what happens. Try FELing various things and recomposing. Try just 'shooting' not paying attention to where the focus point is--then try shooting with the focus point over the subject, THEN try FEL over the subject and recomposing. It starts to come together. I find manual to be the most consistent for me but I do use Av and Tv under certain circumstances--but I do now have a better idea of what those 'circumstances' might be.

I had honestly considered looking into a thyristor flash--or a Metz--because I thought I 'might' have problems, but I haven't. I do know, however, if I use Av, I better consider using a tripod--other than that I can handhold on a bracket without a problem.

Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
I dont know way but I just got the Metz 54 and sold my 420ex and The Metz is even better in ETTL mode compared to my 420. My ETTL exposures are spot on now. Auto mode is heaven. So nice to just point and shoot and not worry about the flash. Maybe I have a bad 420ex but the Metz is well worth the money.
I rented a 550ex last night to fool around with and see how it
compares against my 420ex. I'd say about 8 out of 10 pictures were
underexposed. In manual mode, and without changing the exposure, I
shot some small objects of different texture all in the same corner
of my house, using the 28-135 IS and 50mm 1.8 lenses. When the
pictures looked properly exposed (about 20%) they looked fantastic!

I would frame a shot and then check the distance chart on the
bottom of the flash to make sure I was the proper distance from the
subject, and then fired away. I took two pictures of each scene, 1
without FEL and one with. In each case the pictures looked similar.

About 80% were underexposed - I believe I've been following the
documentation (and all the advice I've read here) properly. I
didn't really get into flash exposure compensation - Are there any
rules of thumb for exposure compensation?

From all the reading I've done, my underexposure problems HAVE to
be user error, dont they? Someone please help me get this figured
out - I really want to like this flash.

For those of you who say 'get the metz' will you please explain why
it works well for you?
--
Steven
D60
707
C700
 

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