How many of you shop local?

I buy 100% from local stores. In my neck of the woods there are no
internet stores,
What do you mean "no internet stores"? Canada doesn't have internet photography merchants? Or the USA web merchants don't ship to Canada?? Doesn't make sense to me.
and the local stores' prices are as good, if not
better than B&H, Delta. Plus no sales tax.
I'm impressed if there are Toronto bricks & mortar shops with pricing to match B&H/Adorama etc.

Does Toronto (or Canada in its entirety) not have sales tax/VAT? (Sorry to ask an obvious question with an answer known to 30+ million Canadians. I'm just playing the part of an ignorant American woefully lacking in knowledge of our northern neighbor ;-) ).
The concept of buying online is only relevant in North America and
some parts of Europe.
Really? Canadians don't shop Amazon.com? How is it that retail merchants can compete with internet/mailorder pricing and thereby keep the majority of their customers? (Or does price not matter so much?)

--David

D60, BG-ED3, 16-35L, 28-135 IS, 100-400L, 100/2.8 macro,
(3)550-EX, ST-E2, TC-80N3, 2x1GB MD
also Sigma 14, Canon 20, Canon EF2X-II
Past 18 months: 30,000 exposures (mostly D30)
 
Nothing local for me. The closest place to buy film, which I no longer use, is 300 miles away. So I get everything from B&H. I order online and four days later a box shows up. And I'm up here right next to Russia.

But when I lived in San Francisco, I bought at Fireside Camera sometimes, and sometimes from B&H or 47th Street. If the local store had a good deal, I'd snap it up. But I have no interest in advice from a guy in a camera store. A lot of the sales people resent that. I want a clean and frictionless transaction...

I also buy a lot of gear on eBay...then sell it on eBay later on after I've fooled around with it.

By the way, when I was on vacation last August I bought a Canon 15 fisheye lens at a camera shop in San Luis Obispo. So sometimes I do buy "local," Mr. Lazo.

Zidar
Alaska
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It's not about stuff.
 
I don't live in Canada.
That's curious.

Your profile says:
Name Zero
Location Canada / Toronto

That is why I assumed you were speaking of Toronto-based local photo shops.

D60, BG-ED3, 16-35L, 28-135 IS, 100-400L, 100/2.8 macro,
(3)550-EX, ST-E2, TC-80N3, 2x1GB MD
also Sigma 14, Canon 20, Canon EF2X-II
Past 18 months: 30,000 exposures (mostly D30)
 
Ahhhh - I am non-resident Canuck (for tax as well as actual) :)
I don't live in Canada.
That's curious.

Your profile says:
Name Zero
Location Canada / Toronto

That is why I assumed you were speaking of Toronto-based local
photo shops.

D60, BG-ED3, 16-35L, 28-135 IS, 100-400L, 100/2.8 macro,
(3)550-EX, ST-E2, TC-80N3, 2x1GB MD
also Sigma 14, Canon 20, Canon EF2X-II
Past 18 months: 30,000 exposures (mostly D30)
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Zero my hero
 
Hi,
well, I live in Melbourne, Australia.

The story here is that everything in the local shop costs a good deal more than anything you'd get online from the US. And thats taking into account super high freight and customs duty. Quite the rip-off, for sure.

An example? An F100 bought from the local store will cost close to as much as an F5 bought online. As in approx $US1500- 1600. Can you believe it? ;)). In a camera stores in Melbourne a SECOND HAND Canon 70-200 2.8 L lense, the non IS version, will set you back approx $US1200-$1300.

I have bought film SLR's and lenses online from the US for this reason. I bought a digital cam in Japan with the help of a friend as well.

There are some good online shops based in Australia now, though. So hopefully when the time comes for a next purchase I can go with them and not deal with the hassles and perils of buying online from the US or elsewhere. But buying anything local is really very, very expensive. So I avoid it wherever possible.
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Andrew McGregor

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Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
I would FAR prefer to shop local.... if possible......

There has been one small privately owned camera shop near me for as long as I can remember. I've been in and out of it most of my life.

In the home computer boom, they had a section devoted to home computers, I went there for that. I went there for cameras and so on.

As time has moved on, they've become uncompetitive price wise and sadly, customer service feels lacking.

It may be silly, but I'd pay a bit more to go in, see a friendly face and handle the equipment prior to making a decision.

Recently though, I feel as if I'm an inconvenience to them. They need to put up with me to get the money but geez life would be SO much easier if I'd stay away and just send them a cheque every month for the shop rent.

Talking to others, most feel the same way... although one said he'd got on ok with the shop owner and had no problems.

I called about a 1D when it was announced and got the most unenthusiastic response I think I've ever received. Eventually they put my name in a book and said they'd call me when they received one or had more details... needless to say, many months later (I already have one now) still not heard from them.

Recently a Jessops opened. The staff seem well informed and thus far, have been great.

They've let me try lenses, been able to get equipment pretty quickly. They've been co-operative, enthusiastic and happy to help.

The pricing isn't always as good as mail order but as I say, I'm prepared to deal with that if the service is there.

I'm really sorry that the small shop feels it so difficult to provide a decent level of service :( faced with chains such as Jessops and mail order/internet, unless they start getting wiser, they'll inevitably die out.
 
I allways shop at the local shop, but seek information at dpreview
and other sites..

With local I do mean a 2 hour drive, but that's okay on a saturday!

The prices are the lowest (mostly) in my country (wich is small)
so no need to order it from the internet..

The information I get there is also very good, and they take time
for you to inform you.. but mostly my info come's from the internet
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
 
Hey, which shop in Austin (I am thinking Austin, TX here)?

I am having some problems myself with the 550EX and may very well go with a Sigma from Delta.

Thanks,
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

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Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
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TonyK
 
I do.
But I live in New York City. So B&H is a hop, skip and a jump away.
Sal
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
'D30/Photoshop is all you need'
 
We have a photographic chain store called Jessops - they pricematch too, so it's a LOT easier - the only way to buy Sigma lenses IMO. the only problem is that if something isn't in stock within the company, forget it, you'll be waiting weeks if you get it at all..

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I think that the only thing that I've bought locally is a tripod. The other $10,000 plus has been spent on-line. You would think that local shops would want to get a piece of that but they just ignore you if you mention the price of something on-line. I work for my money and I'm sure not going to hand it over to some over-priced shop just because it's local. I would be willing to pay a slight premium to buy local but not much.

I was at Wolf Camera's main store in Atlanta last week and when I mentioned that I could get the 1D from B&H or BPAV for $700 less they just simply moved on to the next customer. I almost told the next customer that the camera that they were looking at could be had for a lot less at an on-line store but I bit my tongue.

Local stores won't come around until it's too late. Then they'll close.
 
Most shops drive away such customers with their "we're
knowledgeable and we've been here forever" attitude, as if that's
supposed to justify their 6% below-list pricing. Add back sales tax
and you're basically paying full retail.
Not sure where you live, and maybe local pricing is unusually bad there, but in my experience, which is fairly extensive, most local camera stores don't charge anything like 6% below suggested list price -- at least not on hardgoods like cameras and lenses. Suggested list on camera hardgoods has traditionally been set about 40% over book wholesale cost in the photo industry for many years. Non-mail-order camera specialty dealers have been averaging about 8-20% profit margins on hardgoods, depending on category, for the last 10-15 years, maybe longer. That profit information is collected and analyzed every year by the photo industry's trade organization, the Photo Marketing Association.

I was a sales and technical rep for Nikon for almost eight years in the 1990s. In total, I handled somewhere in the vicinity of 200 camera specialty stores in 7 western states at one time or another during that period. Nearly all of those dealers fit the 8-20% profit margin pattern (though a few did, indeed, attempt to get 30-40% margins on hardgoods, almost always without much success.) Here's a typical pricing breakdown for a popular, on-the-market-for-awhile SLR camera (the N90s) whose price I happen to remember (not perfectly, but fairly close) from 1995 or so:

Suggested list: $1200

Dealer wholesale: $722 less 3% "cash discount" less 3% co-op advertising allowance (which the dealer must spend on advertising) = "net net net" cost of @ $679.

B&H price: $719
Typical really competitive big city dealer: $749

Typical fairly competitive dealer: $769-799 but would negotiate a little, especially if it was a package purchase.

Now, some caveats: in the late 90s Nikon started calculating their suggested list prices at a lower margin -- about 25-30% instead of 40%. They said it was done to more accurately reflect typical street pricing because nobody sold at list anymore, but they really did it because it made their products look cheaper in magazine reviews. It had no real effect on retail dealer practices or pricing, nor was it intended to. In other words, it made the retailer look like he was selling closer to list but he was still making the same slim margin. In general, the 40% over cost suggested list price rule is less closely adhered to in the industry now compared to ten or fifteen years ago.

Digital photo products are a little different. Many companies have begun publishing an "estimated street price", which is distinct from suggested list, for their digital products. This practice comes, I believe, from the computer industry. With digital cameras, estimated street is usually about 20% over book wholesale. More importantly, the industry as a whole is trying to actually sell digital cameras at that 20% margin, and, to a surprising degree, dealers are adhering to it. Even B&H frequently sells digital cameras at the official estimated street, which represents an unusually large profit margin for them.

The reason that the industry is trying to maintain a higher retail margin on digital products is this: digital camera sales don't generate photofinishing business for the retailer who sold the camera (or at least that is the current wisdom.) The whole argument for selling cameras at 10% profit margins, which is far below the minimum margin necessary to keep a retail store open, was based on the idea that customers would bring their film back into the store for developing. Photofinishing is highly profitable. Digital products don't fit that "Gillete" sales model (give away the razor, make a fortune on the razor blades.) Or at least, no one has yet figured out a Gillete style sales model that will work with digital cameras.

The camera manufacturers don't really care whether individual retailers make money or not, but they are partially cooperating with retailers in maintaining the 20% digital margin because they don't want to end up with only 8 or 10 big retailers selling 90% of their cameras (i.e. B&H, Ritz, and Wal-Mart et. al.) That situation would give the retailers in question too much power over the manufacturers -- "the tail wagging the dog" is how I've usually heard it phrased.

Okay, more than anybody probably wanted to know. I should get back to work now.
 
I normally shop BH, but my local shop sometimes can give some good deals. I got the Gitzo monopod cheaper at my local shop (Competitivecamera) than BH offers it.

Jason
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
http://homepage.mac.com/stefancook
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
Reasonable prices -- they mostly will match B&H and the servvice is superb. Very professional, honest and informative.
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Regards,

Jack
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
I only wish I could (small city in western NC). They just turn up their noses at digital--if they only knew how much I've spent in the last 5 years on my digital cameras and accessories (and I don't purchase anything from them now filmwise either)---and I would buy lenses from them too if they were even the least bit competitive. Unfortunately, they are not--and even a bit arrogant with anyone using a digicam, so I've taken my business elsewhere. There is a great photo store in the city where I do my commercial shooting and I use them for some things. However, they still don't have a D60 (I had planned on buying from them) and understood when I bought elsewhere last Spring. In another much larger city about an hour away, there are several large photo stores, some non-chain. I have not purchased from them yet, though, and don't know how competitive they are on price.

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Diane B
http://www.pbase.com/picnic/galleries
B/W lover, but color is seducing me
 
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?
i bought my D60 and 2 lenses from my local shop.

their price on the D60 was same as online shops, and i only waited for 2 weeks to recieve my camera.
the lenses (24-85 & 70-200 f/4) came a week later.
the hood for the 24-85 only took 2.5 months to come in.....LOL

both of my tripods were bought from them as well, but for flash and filters, i went to B&H. not because they were cheaper, but because my local shop (Fresno, CA) doesn't carry the brands i wanted.

one thing about supporting the local guy though is that you have some where to go for help.......well, most of the time.
photography is my passion.
 
i'd still like to know how much your shop charges for a Hoya super Pro1 (UV) 58mm.

photography is my passion.
 
I don't know anything about wholesale camera equipment, but my uncle used to own a television store. When the big discounters came in, he could not buy televisions wholesale for what the discounters were selling them for. Also, large companies will sell some items at loss to bring in traffic for other items. Shipping charges can make a huge difference. If, for example, a lens retails for $500, but wholesales for $350, you might be able to get price down to $275 by buying 100 of them (bulk discount). Add to that the fact that shipping 100 lenses would take shipping charges down to maybe $5 per lens, as opposed to $20 for a single lens. Big company can sell lens for $325 and still turn a profit. Small company has to sell for $370 to break even. (these numbers are out of my hat, but margins are pretty accurate for some other wholesale industries.) Now, question is, can a small company sell 100 of a single lens to local customers? Probably not. Can B&H? Of course. Smaller stores like Canoga are competing because their web presence allows them to look as big as B&H on the web. They can buy in bulk and continue to compete.
Just curious how many users shop there local camera stores? How is
there pricing and the support and information?

--
Jeffrey Lazo
-Check out my D60 Galleries-
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj
-Newbie Lens Information/Prices -
http://homepage.mac.com/lazoj/lenses/lenses.html
Support Your Local Camera Shops. Don't merely use them as
'Internet show-rooms'
--
Mike Flaherty
http://imageevent.com/mflaherty/mikesgallery
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http://homepage.mac.com/stefancook
 

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