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Now I'm trying to switch from F30 to a new Fuji with anti blur option and long zoom.

My question is if it's better f70 with optic zoom 10x or f200 with short zoom and digital zoom 2x for example ( for shot at same 270mm equivalent ).
Optical is better in f200 and sensor is much larger, I presume.
For moving objects which is better?
Any suggestion is welcome.

Stefano
 
The F200 is the better camera in both lens and sensor respects but don't think for one minute that Digital zoom + 140mm is going to be an acceptable alternative to 270mm because it isn't ...... if you need 270mm then get the F70 (or a panasonic)..

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Bassy said:
i got the panasonic tz65 for xmas some of my first shots here it may help you decide
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Definatley the choice at lower ISOs - better value than the TZ7 too if you aren't desperate for HD Video as it retains the hi-rez 3" LCD

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Bassy,

In good light the Tz7/65/ZX1 do very well for compact superzooms. To my eyes the Pana's edge it over the Fuji's for clarity and tone. In less favourable light I would expect the Fuji's to show a small advantage.

I choose the F70 over the Pana's primarily for the extra DR. I am finding that the extra DR, whilst it is to be welcomed, does not always improve the overall outcome. Whereas the Pana's produce pleasing results and somehow manage to overcome all but the most extreme lighting without serious white-out despite having less DR than Fuji. The more I learn about DR, tone curves and one's perception, the more complex it seems.

Between the F70 and F200, choose the F70 if you want maximum versatility with smallish prints. Otherwise pixel peepers prefer the F200.

Nick
 
hi adam yes the 3inch screen was my main reason plus that e-zoom button

i never ever do video...i have put my samsung pro 815 on ebay to pay for this little
pany,,and my kodak c875 has gone back in the wardrobe for a while
have you any opinions on

Ricoh GR Digital III

Leica D-LUX 4

thanks bassy
 
Bassy said:
hi adam yes the 3inch screen was my main reason plus that e-zoom button
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Yep - the famous TZ5 feature I liked the most and they went and removed it from the TZ6 and 7 - the 65 miraculously has it .. I tend to use these cams like two primes, full wide or full zoom so feel that every motor-zoom cam should have that button .. it even auto resized to 3Mp and gave 15X zoom on the TZ5 (you have to fiddle with image size on other Pans to do that) which was great for Point'n'print zoom pics
Bassy said:
i never ever do video...i have put my samsung pro 815 on ebay to pay for this little
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good move - once its zoom range was special but since the S100 and then S200 came out the Samsung Pro815 just looked big clumsy, slow, heavy unstabilized and with mediocre image quality ..
Bassy said:
Ricoh GR Digital III
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Better than the GRD-2 (which IMO was a waste oif space) but still has poor JPG quality, good in RAW, vastly overpriced - get a G11 instead and live with the size difference or a GXR and wait for intreresting modules to arrive ..
Bassy said:
Leica D-LUX 4
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had one for 3 months - just an LX3 without a grip but with C1-V4 RAW support. very overrated lens (but better than the S90's optic at the wide end, not as good as the G11's lens though) decent value for Used LX3 prices but DL4 price both used and new is laughable.

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thanks adam you are one of the most helpful people on these forums,,,

i have had in the past the canon a95 and my son still uses my a 620

i will try g11 and see how it feels in my hands,,,, all the best bassy
 
A bit off topic, Adam could you please comment the Sigma DP1/DP2, I was always curious how it measures up tp the cameras you commented, you gave some very helpful info on them. From my own observations, I totally agree with you regarding the Ricoh.
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A bit off topic, Adam could you please comment the Sigma DP1/DP2, I was always curious how it measures up tp the cameras you commented, you gave some very helpful info on them. From my own observations, I totally agree with you regarding the Ricoh.
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The Sigmas have lovely image quality in both RAW (with Sigma's software) or JPG (after post processing), up to ISO400 they're clean, after that the Foveon sensor starts to fall apart way beyond any kind of linear scale (IE, ISO400 is as clean as any APS DSLR, ISO800 is far far worse) . DR and recoverability at base ISO is superb - colour is funky but lovely all the same..........

Issue is the mechanics, it's dog slow to use, the AF is insensitive as well as slow, the DP1 (IMO the most useful one) has really no RAW buffer as you can't re-meter a scene or adjust anything while its writing to card , ergonomics and build quality isn't brilliant .. Oh and some DP1s have a battery drain problem .....

My opinion is that all the multitudes of faults are made up for by the Image quality - I prefer the EP1 with the panny 20mm thesedays but then I still have my SD9 for my "Foveon Fix"

My Foveon gallery - DP1 and SD9 mainly but there are some from the dark days when i had one of those gawdawful SD14 things

http://s512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/Adam-T/Sigma%20Foveon/?start=all

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sncast said:
Tz7 that has optical anti-shake is too expensive for me.
I prefer Fuji, only battery life seems very poor.
Using my F30 I do more of 400 shots with 1 charge.
Anti-shake system at 270mm work well?
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It's OK. Trying to fairly evaluate accurately how well IS performs is quite difficult. Percentagewise I have had a few more blurred photo's at 270mm from the F70 compared to my TZ3 at 280. But then the F70 is more fiddly to hold for someone like me with big fumbly hands and the TZ3 is a more stable platform.

My unscientiffic feeling is that Fuji's IS is not quite as good as Pana's, though probably not far behind.

Hope that helps you.

Nick
 
If you are having a look at the ZS1/ZS3, you may also want to have a look at the ZR1 if the 8x (200mm equiv) zoom would be enough. It uses a newer processor and a newer OIS system (which seems to be about a stop or 1.5 better than the one in the ZSx), its a bit speedier performer. That is of course, only if the 8x zoom is enough.

good luck, having a try instore with all these models should be informative
sncast said:
At 270mm is difficult to avoid any movement. In my hand F70 feels well, but is very light. Surely Panasonic seems better solid.
Now I'll try a Panasonic in a shop, if possible.
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sncast said:
Now I'm trying to switch from F30 to a new Fuji with anti blur option and long zoom.
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Long zoom == F70EXR ... best one on the planet right now. Second best is ZS3. I own both. Canon SX200 is a viable alternative but does not have Fuji's low light nor Panny's video/audio.
sncast said:
My question is if it's better f70 with optic zoom 10x or f200 with short zoom and digital zoom 2x for example ( for shot at same 270mm equivalent ).
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Nope ... F200 is creamed by the F70 in a long reach contest.
sncast said:
Optical is better in f200 and sensor is much larger, I presume.
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Although it is larger (much is really stretching it), it appears that Fuji did some nice work in the jpeg engine of the F70 ... it does very well at 1600 ISO as I just posted to some one else ... but here it is again:



There is a weakness in the F70 for slight blur at 27mm ... shoot 3:2 to fix that ... or zoom in a touch.

There is a weakness for CA at 27mm ... again zoom in a touch. CA strikes much less often than you would think it would ... but when it hits, it hits hard. Still ... you see far fewer images ruined by CA than you would have thought ...
sncast said:
For moving objects which is better?
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F70 has fast AF ... not sure that it is faster, but it surely is no slower. Everything had to be boosted (AF, stabilzation) to handle such a long zoom and it shows.
sncast said:
Any suggestion is welcome.
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This is not a contest ... only the most anal pixel peeper would choose an F200 over an F70 these days ...

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sncast said:
At 270mm is difficult to avoid any movement. In my hand F70 feels well, but is very light. Surely Panasonic seems better solid.
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ZS3 is bigger and heavier. I own both and I carry both to concerts. The Panny has much slower AF ... you cannot shoot birds with it, whereas the Fuji is fast enough to focus while they are still on the branch.

The ZS3 is not as good in low light ... not even close.
sncast said:
Now I'll try a Panasonic in a shop, if possible.
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Buy the ZS3 if video is a strong priority ... it kills the F70 ... but I own both for a reason.

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sncast said:
Well, I switch to F70, video is the last of my prority.
Now I'm going to sell my dear F30.
Thank you.

Stefano
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Dont sell it yet Stefano compare first you might regret , If you can wait a little,untill you check out the F70 and compare yourself.

I did compare the F70 , Adam, has others did and returned it, also Ive noticed, Packy liked the F200 and its output to ,, See lloydy.s and Pauls shots , all with the F200 ,

I think it seems that not so many returned there F200 for IQ reasons, I would venture,,

Ive kept i the F200 compared at the same time which has in my humble opinion IQ as good as the F30, just,, the F70 was a dissapointment comparing photos really dissapointed , also the TZ7 not good in low light at all,, exuse me please just my opinion, me an anal pixle peeper ! maybe, but its not a subtle difference looking at both F70 and F200 pictures, is just my view..

Rhoda.

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Kim Letkeman said:
sncast said:
Now I'm trying to switch from F30 to a new Fuji with anti blur option and long zoom.
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Long zoom == F70EXR ... best one on the planet right now. Second best is ZS3. I own both. Canon SX200 is a viable alternative but does not have Fuji's low light nor Panny's video/audio.
Kim Letkeman said:
My question is if it's better f70 with optic zoom 10x or f200 with short zoom and digital zoom 2x for example ( for shot at same 270mm equivalent ).
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Nope ... F200 is creamed by the F70 in a long reach contest.
Kim Letkeman said:
Optical is better in f200 and sensor is much larger, I presume.
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Although it is larger (much is really stretching it), it appears that Fuji did some nice work in the jpeg engine of the F70 ... it does very well at 1600 ISO as I just posted to some one else ... but here it is again:



There is a weakness in the F70 for slight blur at 27mm ... shoot 3:2 to fix that ... or zoom in a touch.

There is a weakness for CA at 27mm ... again zoom in a touch. CA strikes much less often than you would think it would ... but when it hits, it hits hard. Still ... you see far fewer images ruined by CA than you would have thought ...
Kim Letkeman said:
For moving objects which is better?
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F70 has fast AF ... not sure that it is faster, but it surely is no slower. Everything had to be boosted (AF, stabilzation) to handle such a long zoom and it shows.
Kim Letkeman said:
Any suggestion is welcome.
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This is not a contest ... only the most anal pixel peeper would choose an F200 over an F70 these days ...

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http://kimletkeman.blogspot.com
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One good, no exellent black and white shot. , I dont see so many in black and white around, the girl is very pale, its different so thanks for showing

Rhoda

I have my opinion and so I am allowed to give just my point of view
 
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