which to keep, d100 or s2

Teera · Aug 27, 2002

Before you take any action, do yourself a favor, test both cameras one more time. Use both cams with the same lense to take a kind of picture that you often do. Then process the picture with the software that you often use to your best ability and see the result which one is better. Ask your future wife, your friends or post the pic onto this news group.

Love my D100 but still envy people who got S2!
Teera

GMD · Aug 27, 2002

by keeping this lady ...
I would not stand the fact that she gets involved ....
gmd

ttp said:
been using d100 for 2 months and s2 for nearly a month now, both
cameras are great. but my future wife request that one has to go.
the d100 or the s2, not the wife.. she said that i spent too much
time on them rather on her. please help me make my decision on
which to sale to my buddy. i like the d100 cause of the mainly, 1
battery power vs 2, quick response on viewing and clearer
protective display lens. use internal flash w/out have to worry of
power issue, i really can't stand the fact that i have to fix
several pix in ps.
as for s2, great pictures off of the cam, 12mbpix capability.
shoot b/w, ieee connection, pc sync terminal, did i mention great
pictures off of camera? i really can't stand the fact of cr123a.
it's a tough decision i have to make, but it seems that i used
d100 more cause of the battery issue. for some odd reason, i've
been using a lot of internal flash rather than taking my sb80dx.
it's a bit bulky because my future wife complains that it's too big
to fit in her purse. both cam cost the same, because i got the
grip for the d100 also. your help and input would be greatly
appreciated.

ttp · Aug 27, 2002

thanks everyone for your input. i do not really want to give up d100. the fact that it was a gift, looks more sexier than s2, oh..!!! stop it!! forget all that. bottom line is, the main reason was the power issue, clearer and quicker view pix, and lots more option to play w/, and of course, you have to spend a lot of times in ps to make it looks somewhat better or just almost the same as the s2 straight from the cam. s2, really great pic, come on, d100 fan, you have to admit that. s2 has a better color turn out. i set both cam standing same spot, w/ same glass, and got my setting on d100 to the best setting i can come up w/, and still no match for the s2. s2 is a better color pix, if you say no, i know you are lying to yourself. cause i'm a nikon fan myself. that's the reason why it's really tough for me to let it go. maybe the next nikon will be what we all are looking for. but for now, s2 is 60% and d100 is 40%. i really hate to do this, but i can only keep one.

GMD said:
ttp said:

been using d100 for 2 months and s2 for nearly a month now, both
cameras are great. but my future wife request that one has to go.
the d100 or the s2, not the wife.. she said that i spent too much
time on them rather on her. please help me make my decision on
which to sale to my buddy. i like the d100 cause of the mainly, 1
battery power vs 2, quick response on viewing and clearer
protective display lens. use internal flash w/out have to worry of
power issue, i really can't stand the fact that i have to fix
several pix in ps.
as for s2, great pictures off of the cam, 12mbpix capability.
shoot b/w, ieee connection, pc sync terminal, did i mention great
pictures off of camera? i really can't stand the fact of cr123a.
it's a tough decision i have to make, but it seems that i used
d100 more cause of the battery issue. for some odd reason, i've
been using a lot of internal flash rather than taking my sb80dx.
it's a bit bulky because my future wife complains that it's too big
to fit in her purse. both cam cost the same, because i got the
grip for the d100 also. your help and input would be greatly
appreciated.

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herbet50979 · Aug 27, 2002

have you tried with the D100 set to cloudy (if the subject is in the shade use cloudy-3), color mode III, and a custom tonal compensation with a little boost in the shadows? It looks as colourful as the S2.

ttp said:
s2, really great pic, come on, d100
fan, you have to admit that. s2 has a better color turn out

Gabriele Sartori · Aug 27, 2002

ttp said:
she bought the d100 for my bday and because she knows that i didn't
like my 995 because it was too slow,

Man, it is a no brainer then. May be I'm 44y/o and I know something about women's mind but if you keep the S2 you do a big, big mistake.

If she bought the D100 don't even ask questions you know the answer. A woman may come back to you 20 years later telling how upset she was to see you selling her gift. She may deny it now but trust me she doesn't like to see you selling the D100 and they have more memory than an indian elephant.

And BTW the D100 is better that the S2 in my opinion, the S2 is a piece of c%@p from a b company. Try to get a trouble with the S2 and see how long you stay without camera. THe D100 does amazing phot and PS (that is not necessary BTW in order to get great photos) is a big fun to use.

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Jens(Sweden) · Aug 27, 2002

Gabriele Sartori said:
And BTW the D100 is better that the S2 in my opinion, the S2 is a
piece of c%@p from a b company.

Ehhhhhhh... Could you explain please ?

Gabriele Sartori said:
Try to get a trouble with the S2
and see how long you stay without camera. THe D100 does amazing
phot and PS (that is not necessary BTW in order to get great
photos) is a big fun to use.

Don't know about Fujis service yet but I can say that Nikon provided me with extremly bad service here. Took 3 month to get a coolpix " fixed " and when it came back it got worse problem than before I sent it away.

Just my experience and BTW both the D100 and S2 are good cams.

Vtie · Aug 27, 2002

ttp said:
she bought the d100 for my bday and because she knows that i didn't
like my 995 because it was too slow

I had a 990, too, but I had to buy my d100 myself... I personally
wouldn't even think of selling it if my girfriend gave it as a birthday gift.

BTW, if you don't want to play with Photoshop, try 'sharpen more'
and sRGB II

Gaetan J. · Aug 27, 2002

Bimthecat said:
At least they both take Nikon lenses !

The weakness of S2 is X-sync....at only 125th

wrong. the d100 is 1/180 at iso200 , the s2 is 1/125 at iso100 so the s2 is better.

Bimthecat said:
(this may, or may not matter to you)
The S2 is a battery nightmare, but I suggest you can
buy those CR Lithium batteries, 30 at a time, on the web, for about
$ 2 each.

keeping 2 set of batteries is not a nightmare

Bimthecat said:
The S2 is a 3rd generation CCD, with slightly better
out-of-camera images than the D100 (which is a 2nd generation CCD).

The D100 X-syncs at a 1/200th. A very good camera.
(just for comparision, the D1,D1H,& D1X sync at a 500th).

1/180

Bimthecat said:
Both cameras are only as good as the Photographer...and the lens...
...and the Photoshop skills....etc.

Good luck !

Wright 2 great camera. Is your wife your sex slave model kitten ? If not get rid of her, keep the cameras

--
Gaetan J.
'when you assume something you make an ass out of u and me' B.Hill

Vtie · Aug 27, 2002

Gaetan J. said:
Gaetan J. said:

The weakness of S2 is X-sync....at only 125th

Click to expand...

wrong. the d100 is 1/180 at iso200 , the s2 is 1/125 at iso100 so
the s2 is better.

Someone probably needs to explain this flash sync issue to me.
To me, it seems that 1/180 is better because it gives you more
power to freeze the action.
I see the point of allowing for a larger aperture with the same light
on the S2, but can't this easily be solved by using a neutral filter
on the D100 to simulate a smaller sensitivity? It seems to me
that too much light should never be a problem given the fact
that such filters exist.
Or am I missing something else? Forgive me but I have very limited
photography experience.

Cribbage · Aug 27, 2002

In fill-flash situations where 1/180 is compatible with the scene at iso200, the D100 is better at freezing motion than the S2.

i.e., raw sync speed can matter.

Gaetan J. said:
wrong. the d100 is 1/180 at iso200 , the s2 is 1/125 at iso100 so
the s2 is better.

Cribbage · Aug 27, 2002

Vtie said:
To me, it seems that 1/180 is better because it gives you more
power to freeze the action.

Absolutely

Vtie said:
I see the point of allowing for a larger aperture with the same light
on the S2, but can't this easily be solved by using a neutral filter
on the D100 to simulate a smaller sensitivity?

Two issues. One is the generic question of whether iso 200 on the D100 is genuinely as high quality as iso 100 on alternative cameras. 'nuf said on that issue.

The second is the disadvantage of having to walk around in daytime scenes, e.g. doing fill-flash portraiture, all the time compelled to look through the viewfinder with a ND filter attached. It certainly seems preferable to view the scene without a filter darkening the image.

Gabriele Sartori · Aug 27, 2002

Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Jens(Sweden) said:

And BTW the D100 is better that the S2 in my opinion, the S2 is a
piece of c%@p from a b company.

Click to expand...

Ehhhhhhh... Could you explain please ?

Ok, I love the D100 I'm bias, I don't like company that have to pretend to have 12 MP just to take more space on my flash card. I don't like 2 fps, I don't like fake colors that seem pretty, I don't like the battery system, I don't like the 1/125 flash sync, I don't like the artificial sharpening with all that visible edging I can ruin a photo myself without their help, I don't like the moiree, I don't like the RAW of fuji, I don't like the stupid branding on the camera, I don't like to pay more for an inferior brand name they should ask $1500, I don't like to buy from a company that has to go somewhere else in order to have a decent body and buy it modifying a mechanical camera, and YES, the Nikon service here in California is just outstanding, years ago they entirely rebuilt for free my CP950 using new parts with a different mechanical design in order to update it. I shipped the camera on Monday I got it back on Friday. What can I ask more?

Jens(Sweden) said:
Just my experience and BTW both the D100 and S2 are good cams.

May be true but why bother with Fuji, get the real thing

p.s. we are in a free country these are my personal opinions and we are on the Nikon forum

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Gaetan J. · Aug 27, 2002

Cribbage said:
i.e., raw sync speed can matter.

Gaetan J. said:

wrong. the d100 is 1/180 at iso200 , the s2 is 1/125 at iso100 so
the s2 is better.

Click to expand...

I use fill flash for portrait or groups. I would never use fill flash for something that need to be frozen, like that motocross driver passing by me 5 foot away and in the air last weekend. He would have been waiting for me at the exit gate to punch me in the nose.

--
Gaetan J.
'when you assume something you make an ass out of u and me' B.Hill

Jens(Sweden) · Aug 27, 2002

Gabriele Sartori said:
Ok, I love the D100 I'm bias,

Ohh you must be but there's nothing wrong with that.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like company that have to pretend to have 12 MP just to take > more space on my flash card.

It's only claimed to be a 6,1 MP camera but you have the option to use the internal interpolation and get a 12 MP pic. Up to you if you want to use it or not. It's all in the settings.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like 2 fps

Hmmm 2 fps for 7 shots or 3 fps for 4 shots I'd prefer the first

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like fake colors that seem pretty

Oboy, you're way of here and besides that, you decide the color settings on the camera. Again, it's all in the settings and you have the option to choose

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the battery system

Agreed the battery system is a bit odd but the AA's will be in the market for a long time and is always available. How many years will Nikon keep their special battery on the market ?

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the 1/125 flash sync

On the other hand the lowest ISO on the Fuji is ISO 100 and it compensates this issue.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the artificial sharpening with all that visible edging.

Again, up to you if you want to use it. You still have the option to get a sharp out of the camera picture.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the moiree,

Exaggerated issue, if it's there, it's easy to remove.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the RAW of fuji

Nothing wrong with it but it ain't as good as Nikons NEF, agreed.

Gabriele Sartori said:
I don't like the stupid branding on the camera, I don't like to pay more > for an inferior brand name they should ask $1500, I don't like to buy > from a company that has to go somewhere else in order to have a decent
body and buy it modifying a mechanical camera,

Your opinion and I don't agree. There's a lot of things included with the S2 that you have to pay extra for when buying the D100.

Gabriele Sartori said:
and YES, the Nikon
service here in California is just outstanding, years ago they
entirely rebuilt for free my CP950 using new parts with a different
mechanical design in order to update it. I shipped the camera on
Monday I got it back on Friday. What can I ask more?

Not my experience as written on my previous post

Gabriele Sartori said:
p.s. we are in a free country these are my personal opinions and
we are on the Nikon forum

Yes you are and so am I.

Cheers
Jens

Gabriele Sartori · Aug 27, 2002

Jens

From everything you wrote, it seems to me that with a Fuji S2 I wouldn't have a good "out of camera experience" since you need to set all these things and take care of all those things. BTW my D100 does store 7 frame in the buffer when I use jpeg. If I shoot car racing like I do 3fps and 2fps make all the difference of this world it is 50% more and I can live with jpeg.

About the cost, only a small number of D100 owner is buying the extra battery holder. Most of the users prefer to buy an extra lens with the money.

Ciao
Gabriele

(very) Happy D100 owner that even enjoy taking photo at 6400 ISO

Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Jens(Sweden) said:

Ok, I love the D100 I'm bias,

Click to expand...

Ohh you must be but there's nothing wrong with that.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like company that have to pretend to have 12 MP just to take > more space on my flash card.

Click to expand...

It's only claimed to be a 6,1 MP camera but you have the option to
use the internal interpolation and get a 12 MP pic. Up to you if
you want to use it or not. It's all in the settings.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like 2 fps

Click to expand...

Hmmm 2 fps for 7 shots or 3 fps for 4 shots I'd prefer the first

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like fake colors that seem pretty

Click to expand...

Oboy, you're way of here and besides that, you decide the color
settings on the camera. Again, it's all in the settings and you
have the option to choose

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the battery system

Click to expand...

Agreed the battery system is a bit odd but the AA's will be in the
market for a long time and is always available. How many years will
Nikon keep their special battery on the market ?

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the 1/125 flash sync

Click to expand...

On the other hand the lowest ISO on the Fuji is ISO 100 and it
compensates this issue.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the artificial sharpening with all that visible edging.

Click to expand...

Again, up to you if you want to use it. You still have the option
to get a sharp out of the camera picture.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the moiree,

Click to expand...

Exaggerated issue, if it's there, it's easy to remove.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the RAW of fuji

Click to expand...

Nothing wrong with it but it ain't as good as Nikons NEF, agreed.

Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the stupid branding on the camera, I don't like to pay more > for an inferior brand name they should ask $1500, I don't like to buy > from a company that has to go somewhere else in order to have a decent
body and buy it modifying a mechanical camera,

Click to expand...

Your opinion and I don't agree. There's a lot of things included
with the S2 that you have to pay extra for when buying the D100.

Jens(Sweden) said:

and YES, the Nikon
service here in California is just outstanding, years ago they
entirely rebuilt for free my CP950 using new parts with a different
mechanical design in order to update it. I shipped the camera on
Monday I got it back on Friday. What can I ask more?

Click to expand...

Not my experience as written on my previous post

Jens(Sweden) said:

p.s. we are in a free country these are my personal opinions and
we are on the Nikon forum

Click to expand...

Yes you are and so am I.

Cheers
Jens

--
Regards
Gabriele Sartori

Adam-T · Aug 27, 2002

I would!, only one camera - Problem solved!!!

Cribbage · Aug 27, 2002

Moiree is probably the most difficult digital artifact of all to remove, requiring either destructive automatic or exceedingly tedious manual corrections.

The D100, much more than the S2, was seemingly designed to minimize moiree, and succeeded marvelously.

Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Jens(Sweden) said:

I don't like the moiree,

Click to expand...

Exaggerated issue, if it's there, it's easy to remove.

samvert · Aug 27, 2002

All I want to know is...What kind of purse does this woman have that a D100 with grip and lens fits in it??

ttp said:
been using d100 for 2 months and s2 for nearly a month now, both
cameras are great. but my future wife request that one has to go.
the d100 or the s2, not the wife.. she said that i spent too much
time on them rather on her. please help me make my decision on
which to sale to my buddy. i like the d100 cause of the mainly, 1
battery power vs 2, quick response on viewing and clearer
protective display lens. use internal flash w/out have to worry of
power issue, i really can't stand the fact that i have to fix
several pix in ps.
as for s2, great pictures off of the cam, 12mbpix capability.
shoot b/w, ieee connection, pc sync terminal, did i mention great
pictures off of camera? i really can't stand the fact of cr123a.
it's a tough decision i have to make, but it seems that i used
d100 more cause of the battery issue. for some odd reason, i've
been using a lot of internal flash rather than taking my sb80dx.
it's a bit bulky because my future wife complains that it's too big
to fit in her purse. both cam cost the same, because i got the
grip for the d100 also. your help and input would be greatly
appreciated.

--
Insert witty message here.

NickRecob · Aug 27, 2002

a little piece of friendly advice: you NEVER lay down for a woman UNLESS she's your wife. You DID say she was your girlfriend. You allowing her to tell you what to do will ONLY get worse--but then again, you must be sending the message that this is OK. Good luck with what ever you do, but REMEMBER the first sentence above.

Octopuzz · Aug 27, 2002

Hi ttp,

I am sorry for your dilemma. However, just one quick question, why are you sure that once you got rid of either D100 or S2 you won't start spending more time with the one that is left? In the end, your wife will still not get enough attention.

ttp said:
been using d100 for 2 months and s2 for nearly a month now, both
cameras are great. but my future wife request that one has to go.
the d100 or the s2, not the wife.. she said that i spent too much
time on them rather on her. please help me make my decision on
which to sale to my buddy. i like the d100 cause of the mainly, 1
battery power vs 2, quick response on viewing and clearer
protective display lens. use internal flash w/out have to worry of
power issue, i really can't stand the fact that i have to fix
several pix in ps.
as for s2, great pictures off of the cam, 12mbpix capability.
shoot b/w, ieee connection, pc sync terminal, did i mention great
pictures off of camera? i really can't stand the fact of cr123a.
it's a tough decision i have to make, but it seems that i used
d100 more cause of the battery issue. for some odd reason, i've
been using a lot of internal flash rather than taking my sb80dx.
it's a bit bulky because my future wife complains that it's too big
to fit in her purse. both cam cost the same, because i got the
grip for the d100 also. your help and input would be greatly
appreciated.

which to keep, d100 or s2

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